How common or rare is it for top kids to get shutout during RD due to yield management?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

HM has ED2. If HM is the dream.

Swat and Rice also have ED2.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Very high chances of being shut out.

It is really the tippy top kids (both academics and EC's) who have a strong shot at HYPSM (30-50% chance) who can afford to SCEA to HYPSM.

For everyone else, there is a strong chance of being shut out in RD from T20.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Very high chances of being shut out.

It is really the tippy top kids (both academics and EC's) who have a strong shot at HYPSM (30-50% chance) who can afford to SCEA to HYPSM.

For everyone else, there is a strong chance of being shut out in RD from T20.

As others have said it depends on a number of factors, is she tippy top of her class? Does she have impactful EC's? Great recommendation letters? Great essays?
My kid used this strategy and did great in RD. I doubt Brown will happen in RD for an unhooked female but not because of yield protection. I would suggest applying more broadly (Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, Cal Tech) if she really wants a T20 and doesn't want binding EDII

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It's not yield management for the most part, it's applying to highly rejective schools. Be sure to apply to targets and safeties, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Very common if oversubscribed major.

+1 1580 SAT, 4.0 gpa, 4.92 gpa from a magnet. CS major. Shut out 5 of the 6 T20, wait listed for 1. Ended up at state flagship with merit.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Yield management isn’t really a problem except at a few schools. You can mitigate it by visiting and writing good tailored essays. Schools like Pitt don’t yield protect. The bigger problem is low admit rates. If she really wants Brown or HM, maybe ED there.

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It's usually poor application strategy

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Sounds like counselor steering. If you love Brown, just ED . Counselor doesn’t want you to ED Brown because then they can’t honestly say the other weaker ED applicants are the best of the best. This happens every year. RD is a lot more difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Very high chances of being shut out.

It is really the tippy top kids (both academics and EC's) who have a strong shot at HYPSM (30-50% chance) who can afford to SCEA to HYPSM.

For everyone else, there is a strong chance of being shut out in RD from T20.

No chance this kid is shutout from a list that includes Pitt and Lehigh. The doom and gloom on this board is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:So you mean for HYPSM? Very common to be shut out in RD - it’s a reach for everyone even with perfect stats.

Those schools don't worry about yield management.

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Anonymous wrote:If a student fits the profile of kids who got into T10 from the same high school, but this year the SCEA school this student wants to apply to is taking recruited athletes/donor legacy instead, what are the risks that the unconnected top stats candidate will then get rejected everywhere during RD?

If you are applying to target and safety schools then the chances of getting shut out are almost zero. I have only seen it happen when people grossly overestimated their target zone.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Very high chances of being shut out.

It is really the tippy top kids (both academics and EC's) who have a strong shot at HYPSM (30-50% chance) who can afford to SCEA to HYPSM.

For everyone else, there is a strong chance of being shut out in RD from T20.

No chance this kid is shutout from a list that includes Pitt and Lehigh. The doom and gloom on this board is ridiculous.

Agree
Lehigh and Pitt likely to work in RD of competitive for T10. No worries about pure shutout

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Sounds like counselor steering. If you love Brown, just ED . Counselor doesn’t want you to ED Brown because then they can’t honestly say the other weaker ED applicants are the best of the best. This happens every year. RD is a lot more difficult.

Also true; perhaps another T10 is the ED choice?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Oh this makes more sense. You can get shut out of that list but that's true whether you SCEA or not. I see no safeties.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx

Oh this makes more sense. You can get shut out of that list but that's true whether you SCEA or not. I see no safeties.

Pitt and Lehigh are not safeties for someone that would be qualified for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford? (The SCEA schools?) That’s crazy talk.