Impact of boundary study on real estate

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I've always been confused by how -- beyond bringing up average test scores -- the magnets have spillover effects on the school. This is pertinent for the current dialogues on placing new 'magnets'/programs at all schools. What are these spillovers, if any?

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Anonymous wrote:If the zoned schools' ratings dropped from 7-10 to 2-5 due to boundary changes, of course the house values will drop significantly. We buy our house due to zoned public schools as primary reason, or else I could have moved to new built home zoned to not that great schools. We knew that we would have 1-2 kids.

Buying based on GreatSchools ratings is collossaly stupid. Do some real research FFS

As long as someone cares about their kids, they ignore your comment.

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Anonymous wrote:I've always been confused by how -- beyond bringing up average test scores -- the magnets have spillover effects on the school. This is pertinent for the current dialogues on placing new 'magnets'/programs at all schools. What are these spillovers, if any?

I think people talk about magnets too much for what they are. There are only like 100 to 200seats in the county, and only a fraction of the qualified students get to go to them via the lottery process.

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Anonymous wrote:For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

It was to combat the white flight that was happening in DC at the time. It was a reverse bussing program to create a bump in the schools appearance so local famlies didn't think their school was the worst in the county which it was at the time. So it worked in that reguard. Funny part was to placate the west county parents at the time the Magnet kids had their own schedule, areas, bells and lunch period. One could attend Blair for 4 years and never meet a magnet kid really until they moved into the new building and started walking some of that back. Will be interesting to see what happens to Blair when it loses it. Those few hundred test takes make a huge difference in their test scores and college acceptances.

wait wait wait, what? The magnet kids were completely physically segregated from gen pop? When did that end?

That poster is talking BS. Not the first time.

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Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

The disparity in wealth that allows more White people to buy in wealthy areas than Black people is a direct result of both historical and contemporary racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is alive and well. Look at research on how preschool teachers see certain behaviors in Black boys as worse than the same behaviors in White boys. Look at research on racial discrimination in the job market and steering in the housing market. Look at research on racial discrimination in the child welfare system and healthcare. It is everywhere and hard to miss unless you really, really don't want to see it.

I don't think it's the behaviors in white vs black. I've been doing basketball we've switched teams recently from a 50-50 team with a black coach to a predominantly white team. Yes, there are white kids bouncing off the wall in the predominantly white team as you suggest and also yes it tends to get overlooked, but they are also able to sit down and discuss a strategy and 70%-80% will calmly listen and discuss strategy and ask the coach questions. Of course, the one kid of color is still one of the ones over there bouncing off the wall ( like literally banging a ball against the wall while the coach is talking. Great player though otherwise.) Sure, fairly anecdotal, but I'm starting to get the impression that this is par for the course. Something my midwestern white upbringing hasn't prepared me for.

Um what wow. It's called implicit bias. I thght you all Midwestern whities got training on this thru the early to mid 2000's. I guess some of you forgot to pay attention (maybe you were banging a ball against the wall...or something).

Is that what they teach over in those segregated "good school" areas. Us Midwesterners have "implicit bias". Don't bang yer head against the wall to figuring that one out. Feel me?

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Anonymous wrote:For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

It was to combat the white flight that was happening in DC at the time. It was a reverse bussing program to create a bump in the schools appearance so local famlies didn't think their school was the worst in the county which it was at the time. So it worked in that reguard. Funny part was to placate the west county parents at the time the Magnet kids had their own schedule, areas, bells and lunch period. One could attend Blair for 4 years and never meet a magnet kid really until they moved into the new building and started walking some of that back. Will be interesting to see what happens to Blair when it loses it. Those few hundred test takes make a huge difference in their test scores and college acceptances.

wait wait wait, what? The magnet kids were completely physically segregated from gen pop? When did that end?

That poster is talking BS. Not the first time.

The internet says that poster is correct.
E.g. “ When we moved to new Blair Magnet students asked the architect to design the building so that the magnet was no longer isolated in a section of the building.”
https://www.mbhsmagnet.org/news/fall09/with-changing-forces-the-magnet-evolves

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the zoned schools' ratings dropped from 7-10 to 2-5 due to boundary changes, of course the house values will drop significantly. We buy our house due to zoned public schools as primary reason, or else I could have moved to new built home zoned to not that great schools. We knew that we would have 1-2 kids.

Buying based on GreatSchools ratings is collossaly stupid. Do some real research FFS

As long as someone cares about their kids, they ignore your comment.

Not really. We care about my kids and Great School rating was not the primary factor in where we buy a home. Yes, we did other research outside of Great Schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've always been confused by how -- beyond bringing up average test scores -- the magnets have spillover effects on the school. This is pertinent for the current dialogues on placing new 'magnets'/programs at all schools. What are these spillovers, if any?

I think people talk about magnets too much for what they are. There are only like 100 to 200seats in the county, and only a fraction of the qualified students get to go to them via the lottery process.

Their kids are in them or want their kids in them so they are advocating but given how few seats, most don't and some don't want it as they don't like the class offerings, distance, and other reasons. They are hyperfocused on saving them but that's the least of the concerns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

It was to combat the white flight that was happening in DC at the time. It was a reverse bussing program to create a bump in the schools appearance so local famlies didn't think their school was the worst in the county which it was at the time. So it worked in that reguard. Funny part was to placate the west county parents at the time the Magnet kids had their own schedule, areas, bells and lunch period. One could attend Blair for 4 years and never meet a magnet kid really until they moved into the new building and started walking some of that back. Will be interesting to see what happens to Blair when it loses it. Those few hundred test takes make a huge difference in their test scores and college acceptances.

wait wait wait, what? The magnet kids were completely physically segregated from gen pop? When did that end?

That poster is talking BS. Not the first time.

The internet says that poster is correct.
E.g. “ When we moved to new Blair Magnet students asked the architect to design the building so that the magnet was no longer isolated in a section of the building.”
https://www.mbhsmagnet.org/news/fall09/with-changing-forces-the-magnet-evolves

They self-segregate as they have their own classes, clubs, etc. It doesn't matter where you put the classrooms, its still self-segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the zoned schools' ratings dropped from 7-10 to 2-5 due to boundary changes, of course the house values will drop significantly. We buy our house due to zoned public schools as primary reason, or else I could have moved to new built home zoned to not that great schools. We knew that we would have 1-2 kids.

Buying based on GreatSchools ratings is collossaly stupid. Do some real research FFS

Stats from GreatSchools or US News are a quick and dirty way to compare and get a read on high schools or colleges. Of course you will research other sources…a good amount of people look at these stats and then look down on it like it’s beneath their high standards…who has time to do dissertation research on an elementary school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

It was to combat the white flight that was happening in DC at the time. It was a reverse bussing program to create a bump in the schools appearance so local famlies didn't think their school was the worst in the county which it was at the time. So it worked in that reguard. Funny part was to placate the west county parents at the time the Magnet kids had their own schedule, areas, bells and lunch period. One could attend Blair for 4 years and never meet a magnet kid really until they moved into the new building and started walking some of that back. Will be interesting to see what happens to Blair when it loses it. Those few hundred test takes make a huge difference in their test scores and college acceptances.

wait wait wait, what? The magnet kids were completely physically segregated from gen pop? When did that end?

That poster is talking BS. Not the first time.

The internet says that poster is correct.
E.g. “ When we moved to new Blair Magnet students asked the architect to design the building so that the magnet was no longer isolated in a section of the building.”
https://www.mbhsmagnet.org/news/fall09/with-changing-forces-the-magnet-evolves

I was there. In the old Blair, they added the D and E hall to house the computer labs, advanced science labs, advanced math classes etc...of course those classes were mostly taken by magnet students but those halls were always almost empty, except for going to/ coming from class or labs. Magnet students did not migrate or linger in those halls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

It was to combat the white flight that was happening in DC at the time. It was a reverse bussing program to create a bump in the schools appearance so local famlies didn't think their school was the worst in the county which it was at the time. So it worked in that reguard. Funny part was to placate the west county parents at the time the Magnet kids had their own schedule, areas, bells and lunch period. One could attend Blair for 4 years and never meet a magnet kid really until they moved into the new building and started walking some of that back. Will be interesting to see what happens to Blair when it loses it. Those few hundred test takes make a huge difference in their test scores and college acceptances.

wait wait wait, what? The magnet kids were completely physically segregated from gen pop? When did that end?

That poster is talking BS. Not the first time.

The internet says that poster is correct.
E.g. “ When we moved to new Blair Magnet students asked the architect to design the building so that the magnet was no longer isolated in a section of the building.”
https://www.mbhsmagnet.org/news/fall09/with-changing-forces-the-magnet-evolves

I was there. In the old Blair, they added the D and E hall to house the computer labs, advanced science labs, advanced math classes etc...of course those classes were mostly taken by magnet students but those halls were always almost empty, except for going to/ coming from class or labs. Magnet students did not migrate or linger in those halls.

and nowadays do kids not in the magnet take the magnet classes? I would assume that most of the classes are either 1) full of magnet kids, or 2) really too advanced (for the upper level courses). I just am at a loss how the magnets generally benefit the school, aside from on a tiny margin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the zoned schools' ratings dropped from 7-10 to 2-5 due to boundary changes, of course the house values will drop significantly. We buy our house due to zoned public schools as primary reason, or else I could have moved to new built home zoned to not that great schools. We knew that we would have 1-2 kids.

Buying based on GreatSchools ratings is collossaly stupid. Do some real research FFS

Stats from GreatSchools or US News are a quick and dirty way to compare and get a read on high schools or colleges. Of course you will research other sources…a good amount of people look at these stats and then look down on it like it’s beneath their high standards…who has time to do dissertation research on an elementary school?

Really, you can't ask around to people you know look at the MD school report card, before making one of the biggest financial decisions of your life? But me to protect your money you are willing to fight like hell to maintain racial and economic segregation to maintain your home value? But looking beyond Greatschools when you buy your home is too much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

It was to combat the white flight that was happening in DC at the time. It was a reverse bussing program to create a bump in the schools appearance so local famlies didn't think their school was the worst in the county which it was at the time. So it worked in that reguard. Funny part was to placate the west county parents at the time the Magnet kids had their own schedule, areas, bells and lunch period. One could attend Blair for 4 years and never meet a magnet kid really until they moved into the new building and started walking some of that back. Will be interesting to see what happens to Blair when it loses it. Those few hundred test takes make a huge difference in their test scores and college acceptances.

wait wait wait, what? The magnet kids were completely physically segregated from gen pop? When did that end?

That poster is talking BS. Not the first time.

The internet says that poster is correct.
E.g. “ When we moved to new Blair Magnet students asked the architect to design the building so that the magnet was no longer isolated in a section of the building.”
https://www.mbhsmagnet.org/news/fall09/with-changing-forces-the-magnet-evolves

They self-segregate as they have their own classes, clubs, etc. It doesn't matter where you put the classrooms, its still self-segregation.

Wrong. Magnet students take all ELA, social/history, PE, arts and foreign language together with local students. That accounts for about half of the course load for 9th and 10th grades.

[Anonymous]

So related / not related. I own a townhouse in 22046 (FCC zoned) and about 1 mile from our house is the exact same townhouse / layout in one of the decent FCPS zones (Shrevewood / Kilmer / Marshall).

Price differential?

1 million vs 600K

So I'd argue that people really underestimate the value of the school pyramids.