Impact of boundary study on real estate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

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It was 100% white? You attend zero Montgomery History presentations. There were Black home owning communities all over west county. Their land was stolen. It’s almost Remembrance and Reconciliation Month (all of November). You can get informed and then return with facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

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100% false, educate yourselves folks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

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It was 100% white? You attend zero Montgomery History presentations. There were Black home owning communities all over west county. Their land was stolen. It’s almost Remembrance and Reconciliation Month (all of November). You can get informed and then return with facts.

Many of those families are still living in the county. I went to school with some Prathers (Prathertown) and Scotland and Tobytown have a lot of longtime residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

[Anonymous]

It impacts us a lot. We're in a townhouse that's currently zoned for QO, but may change. We're rapidly outgrowing the TH, and don't have a problem paying more money for a SFH that goes to a better school, but there's so many changes a foot that we're holding off until the boundary study stuff is finalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

The disparity in wealth that allows more White people to buy in wealthy areas than Black people is a direct result of both historical and contemporary racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is alive and well. Look at research on how preschool teachers see certain behaviors in Black boys as worse than the same behaviors in White boys. Look at research on racial discrimination in the job market and steering in the housing market. Look at research on racial discrimination in the child welfare system and healthcare. It is everywhere and hard to miss unless you really, really don't want to see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

The disparity in wealth that allows more White people to buy in wealthy areas than Black people is a direct result of both historical and contemporary racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is alive and well. Look at research on how preschool teachers see certain behaviors in Black boys as worse than the same behaviors in White boys. Look at research on racial discrimination in the job market and steering in the housing market. Look at research on racial discrimination in the child welfare system and healthcare. It is everywhere and hard to miss unless you really, really don't want to see it.

DP but you should really read the post you are responding to again. It doesn’t seem like you understood it.

[Anonymous]

For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

The disparity in wealth that allows more White people to buy in wealthy areas than Black people is a direct result of both historical and contemporary racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is alive and well. Look at research on how preschool teachers see certain behaviors in Black boys as worse than the same behaviors in White boys. Look at research on racial discrimination in the job market and steering in the housing market. Look at research on racial discrimination in the child welfare system and healthcare. It is everywhere and hard to miss unless you really, really don't want to see it.

There are many immigrant families who arrived in the U.S. with little and worked tirelessly to build a better life. They are concerned that MCPS’s proposed rezoning, aimed at increasing diversity, may move their children to different schools. Isn’t this a type of discrimination?

[Anonymous]

No one's worried about it. It's not like they're going to quit red lining the housing market there. So, the real estate values will hold quite nicely. They weren't there for the academics anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

The disparity in wealth that allows more White people to buy in wealthy areas than Black people is a direct result of both historical and contemporary racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is alive and well. Look at research on how preschool teachers see certain behaviors in Black boys as worse than the same behaviors in White boys. Look at research on racial discrimination in the job market and steering in the housing market. Look at research on racial discrimination in the child welfare system and healthcare. It is everywhere and hard to miss unless you really, really don't want to see it.

I don't think it's the behaviors in white vs black. I've been doing basketball we've switched teams recently from a 50-50 team with a black coach to a predominantly white team. Yes, there are white kids bouncing off the wall in the predominantly white team as you suggest and also yes it tends to get overlooked, but they are also able to sit down and discuss a strategy and 70%-80% will calmly listen and discuss strategy and ask the coach questions. Of course, the one kid of color is still one of the ones over there bouncing off the wall ( like literally banging a ball against the wall while the coach is talking. Great player though otherwise.) Sure, fairly anecdotal, but I'm starting to get the impression that this is par for the course. Something my midwestern white upbringing hasn't prepared me for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

The disparity in wealth that allows more White people to buy in wealthy areas than Black people is a direct result of both historical and contemporary racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is alive and well. Look at research on how preschool teachers see certain behaviors in Black boys as worse than the same behaviors in White boys. Look at research on racial discrimination in the job market and steering in the housing market. Look at research on racial discrimination in the child welfare system and healthcare. It is everywhere and hard to miss unless you really, really don't want to see it.

I don't think it's the behaviors in white vs black. I've been doing basketball we've switched teams recently from a 50-50 team with a black coach to a predominantly white team. Yes, there are white kids bouncing off the wall in the predominantly white team as you suggest and also yes it tends to get overlooked, but they are also able to sit down and discuss a strategy and 70%-80% will calmly listen and discuss strategy and ask the coach questions. Of course, the one kid of color is still one of the ones over there bouncing off the wall ( like literally banging a ball against the wall while the coach is talking. Great player though otherwise.) Sure, fairly anecdotal, but I'm starting to get the impression that this is par for the course. Something my midwestern white upbringing hasn't prepared me for.

Wow. When people expect bad behavior from you, they don't tend to be very kind to you. This is what Black kids constantly experience before they do or say anything. And you are one the people they experience this from.

[Anonymous]

I mean, for most people buying a home is their largest asset/purchase. There are usually several factors that drive such a decision. Is school zoning honestly the only reason people buy homes? Schools were a bonus, but more things about my actual home were my primary motivation for buying. With MCPS quality changing as time goes on, I think many buyers tend to prioritize other reasons.