Impact of boundary study on real estate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, for most people buying a home is their largest asset/purchase. There are usually several factors that drive such a decision. Is school zoning honestly the only reason people buy homes? Schools were a bonus, but more things about my actual home were my primary motivation for buying. With MCPS quality changing as time goes on, I think many buyers tend to prioritize other reasons.

Which is why I tell people that if my family were just starting out again now, MCPS would be one of the lowest options for us.

Where schools are indeed a major factor for us when looking where to live.

If MCPS is changing and declining, it just gives us less reasons to consider it because it doesn't make schools less of a factor for us.

The only reason why we haven't just picked up moved is to not uproot our kids. But if MCPS chooses to separate them from the rest of the kids they went to elementary school with due to boundary changes, we might as well just move because they would be separated from their classmates either way. Honestly because there isn't many other reasons for us to stay in Montgomery County. Maybe there was ten years ago but all those reasons aren't applicable for our family anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, for most people buying a home is their largest asset/purchase. There are usually several factors that drive such a decision. Is school zoning honestly the only reason people buy homes? Schools were a bonus, but more things about my actual home were my primary motivation for buying. With MCPS quality changing as time goes on, I think many buyers tend to prioritize other reasons.

I think the presence of DC right there and its less-than-ideal situation with the schools means a lot of families with elementary school kids come to MoCo with the very specific purpose of choosing a better school.

This is probably different if you move to Moco with no kids. You haven’t had the experience yet of a bad situation.

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Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

What in the world are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

What in the world are you talking about?

Kind of a self-own wrt your reading comprehension there, champ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, for most people buying a home is their largest asset/purchase. There are usually several factors that drive such a decision. Is school zoning honestly the only reason people buy homes? Schools were a bonus, but more things about my actual home were my primary motivation for buying. With MCPS quality changing as time goes on, I think many buyers tend to prioritize other reasons.

For our family, schools are the number one criteria. Everything else is secondary. We aren't specifically wedded to a particular elementary or high school cluster, but there are a couple that we are comfortable with and many more that we will not consider.

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Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

What in the world are you talking about?

Kind of a self-own wrt your reading comprehension there, champ.

DP

No, the statement "The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal" makes no sense

[Anonymous]

If the zoned schools' ratings dropped from 7-10 to 2-5 due to boundary changes, of course the house values will drop significantly. We buy our house due to zoned public schools as primary reason, or else I could have moved to new built home zoned to not that great schools. We knew that we would have 1-2 kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

What in the world are you talking about?

Kind of a self-own wrt your reading comprehension there, champ.

DP

No, the statement "The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal" makes no sense

DP but “redlining generated differences in wealth that persist even after redlining as a policy ended.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it does go down it is because your home value is as high as it is due to a history of redlining, segregation and exclusionary zoning aimed specifically at excluding Black, Indigenous and other people of color from your neighborhoods.

MoCo was nearly 100% white in the era post-Civil rights. There hasn't been redlining or exclusionary zoning or segregation since POCs started moving into the County. But please proceed with your ignorance.

...because they were prohibited from moving in.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/09/project-breaking-down-mocos-history-of-housing-discrimination/

Are you dense? It’s been nearly 50 years since this was practiced. Of course there previously was exclusionary zoning before that for the entire county. The point is, that hasn’t been the case for last 50 years which is why there has been a significant demographic shift in many areas of the county. And in the others, none of those policies apply because the practices have been illegal.

You don't think what happened 50 years ago has an effect on people's wealth today? Smh

Yes. I do think it had an impact on people’s wealth. But you’re conflating two things. You seem to be under the impression that it’s exclusionary zoning and redlining that has kept property prices high for the last 50 years. The point is POCs have been moving into all areas of the county since the post civil rights era and nothing has prevented them from buying homes in these areas except the necessary down payment and ability to afford the mortgage. Has there been a historical disparity in wealth in this country due to discrimination? Absolutely. But please stop wielding that racism and redlining trope for a set of policies that have been dead for 50 years. They can move to any area in the county at any time and I’d welcome them with open arms. The current disparities in demographics are due to historic differences in wealth, not redlining, especially in the time since those practices were made illegal.

The disparity in wealth that allows more White people to buy in wealthy areas than Black people is a direct result of both historical and contemporary racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is alive and well. Look at research on how preschool teachers see certain behaviors in Black boys as worse than the same behaviors in White boys. Look at research on racial discrimination in the job market and steering in the housing market. Look at research on racial discrimination in the child welfare system and healthcare. It is everywhere and hard to miss unless you really, really don't want to see it.

I don't think it's the behaviors in white vs black. I've been doing basketball we've switched teams recently from a 50-50 team with a black coach to a predominantly white team. Yes, there are white kids bouncing off the wall in the predominantly white team as you suggest and also yes it tends to get overlooked, but they are also able to sit down and discuss a strategy and 70%-80% will calmly listen and discuss strategy and ask the coach questions. Of course, the one kid of color is still one of the ones over there bouncing off the wall ( like literally banging a ball against the wall while the coach is talking. Great player though otherwise.) Sure, fairly anecdotal, but I'm starting to get the impression that this is par for the course. Something my midwestern white upbringing hasn't prepared me for.

Um what wow. It's called implicit bias. I thght you all Midwestern whities got training on this thru the early to mid 2000's. I guess some of you forgot to pay attention (maybe you were banging a ball against the wall...or something).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, for most people buying a home is their largest asset/purchase. There are usually several factors that drive such a decision. Is school zoning honestly the only reason people buy homes? Schools were a bonus, but more things about my actual home were my primary motivation for buying. With MCPS quality changing as time goes on, I think many buyers tend to prioritize other reasons.

For our family, schools are the number one criteria. Everything else is secondary. We aren't specifically wedded to a particular elementary or high school cluster, but there are a couple that we are comfortable with and many more that we will not consider.

Plus one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the zoned schools' ratings dropped from 7-10 to 2-5 due to boundary changes, of course the house values will drop significantly. We buy our house due to zoned public schools as primary reason, or else I could have moved to new built home zoned to not that great schools. We knew that we would have 1-2 kids.

Buying based on GreatSchools ratings is collossaly stupid. Do some real research FFS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

It was to combat the white flight that was happening in DC at the time. It was a reverse bussing program to create a bump in the schools appearance so local famlies didn't think their school was the worst in the county which it was at the time. So it worked in that reguard. Funny part was to placate the west county parents at the time the Magnet kids had their own schedule, areas, bells and lunch period. One could attend Blair for 4 years and never meet a magnet kid really until they moved into the new building and started walking some of that back. Will be interesting to see what happens to Blair when it loses it. Those few hundred test takes make a huge difference in their test scores and college acceptances.

[Anonymous]

Not worried at all. When you are at the bottom, only way is up. Wink wink...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, for most people buying a home is their largest asset/purchase. There are usually several factors that drive such a decision. Is school zoning honestly the only reason people buy homes? Schools were a bonus, but more things about my actual home were my primary motivation for buying. With MCPS quality changing as time goes on, I think many buyers tend to prioritize other reasons.

No, we bought it for location and commute.

50 years ago homes were very affordable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the content of magnet and race, I did some research on the Blair SMAC program. It was solely placed at Blair because they wanted to attract more White and Asian students to the school, do not know what the issue is with knowing this. If you want to paint MCPS as nice equity district, we are solely wrong, the only thing that they place with equity in the system is the lottery for CES and middle school Magnet and resident had major issue with that.

It was to combat the white flight that was happening in DC at the time. It was a reverse bussing program to create a bump in the schools appearance so local famlies didn't think their school was the worst in the county which it was at the time. So it worked in that reguard. Funny part was to placate the west county parents at the time the Magnet kids had their own schedule, areas, bells and lunch period. One could attend Blair for 4 years and never meet a magnet kid really until they moved into the new building and started walking some of that back. Will be interesting to see what happens to Blair when it loses it. Those few hundred test takes make a huge difference in their test scores and college acceptances.

wait wait wait, what? The magnet kids were completely physically segregated from gen pop? When did that end?