Why don’t schools have stronger policies about redshirting?

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting doesn't really make any difference unless you do it multiple times. At least three or four times, ideally. Your 10 year old should be in first grade.

Usually for lacrosse you’ll see double redshirts. Summer and spring Kinder hold sacks then again at 8th. That’s the majority of D1 recruits. Other sports are based more on genetics and athletic ability.

Is lacrosse just based on size?

I really don’t think so. There’s smaller kids who do well but the average d1 player like most sports is over 6’. Lax is just a white kid sport that rewards this kind of thing. You can’t get away with it as much in football or basketball. Recruiters want to see pure genetics, not just parenting helping make it happen all the way through by holding back.

I love it when DCUM posters betray how little they know about football recruiting. Man, the lack of understanding is something to see.

Tell me what you know? Both Dh and I were D1 college athletes. Dh was top 25 college program for football. But tell me what you know. He was summer birthday bday, on time, young for his age.

Oh my God you are so clueless. Let’s start with this: NCAA has almost completely changed since your DH played college football. It can barely be called amateur with a straight face any more. Redshirting for top prospects is part of the current process, as is use of community colleges. The transfer portal has transformed football in particular, and kids (men) are old. The average age of NCAA athletes is creeping up every year, especially the stars.

The point about how former athletes are the most clueless and entitled is obviously correct.

If you're redshirted, you're by definition not a top prospect. If you were a top prospect, you'd be playing. See: Cooper Flagg.

lol ok. Let’s just go with your perception of the world. God, you are so out of it!

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting doesn't really make any difference unless you do it multiple times. At least three or four times, ideally. Your 10 year old should be in first grade.

Usually for lacrosse you’ll see double redshirts. Summer and spring Kinder hold sacks then again at 8th. That’s the majority of D1 recruits. Other sports are based more on genetics and athletic ability.

Is lacrosse just based on size?

I really don’t think so. There’s smaller kids who do well but the average d1 player like most sports is over 6’. Lax is just a white kid sport that rewards this kind of thing. You can’t get away with it as much in football or basketball. Recruiters want to see pure genetics, not just parenting helping make it happen all the way through by holding back.

I love it when DCUM posters betray how little they know about football recruiting. Man, the lack of understanding is something to see.

Tell me what you know? Both Dh and I were D1 college athletes. Dh was top 25 college program for football. But tell me what you know. He was summer birthday bday, on time, young for his age.

Oh my God you are so clueless. Let’s start with this: NCAA has almost completely changed since your DH played college football. It can barely be called amateur with a straight face any more. Redshirting for top prospects is part of the current process, as is use of community colleges. The transfer portal has transformed football in particular, and kids (men) are old. The average age of NCAA athletes is creeping up every year, especially the stars.

The point about how former athletes are the most clueless and entitled is obviously correct.

If you're redshirted, you're by definition not a top prospect. If you were a top prospect, you'd be playing. See: Cooper Flagg.

lol ok. Let’s just go with your perception of the world. God, you are so out of it!

I know, right? Everyone knows that teams hate to play their best players!

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting doesn't really make any difference unless you do it multiple times. At least three or four times, ideally. Your 10 year old should be in first grade.

Usually for lacrosse you’ll see double redshirts. Summer and spring Kinder hold sacks then again at 8th. That’s the majority of D1 recruits. Other sports are based more on genetics and athletic ability.

Is lacrosse just based on size?

I really don’t think so. There’s smaller kids who do well but the average d1 player like most sports is over 6’. Lax is just a white kid sport that rewards this kind of thing. You can’t get away with it as much in football or basketball. Recruiters want to see pure genetics, not just parenting helping make it happen all the way through by holding back.

I love it when DCUM posters betray how little they know about football recruiting. Man, the lack of understanding is something to see.

Tell me what you know? Both Dh and I were D1 college athletes. Dh was top 25 college program for football. But tell me what you know. He was summer birthday bday, on time, young for his age.

Oh my God you are so clueless. Let’s start with this: NCAA has almost completely changed since your DH played college football. It can barely be called amateur with a straight face any more. Redshirting for top prospects is part of the current process, as is use of community colleges. The transfer portal has transformed football in particular, and kids (men) are old. The average age of NCAA athletes is creeping up every year, especially the stars.

The point about how former athletes are the most clueless and entitled is obviously correct.

You understand that the biggest component to playing d1 sports is and will always be genetics right? That hasn’t change in 30 years. You can fake your way in as the star of 3rd grade football team but you can’t fake it later. Redshirting in Kinder is not the same thing as redshirting your senior year for a spot on a d1 team. Apples and oranges, but tell me more.

Nobody is redshirting kindergarten kids for the purpose of D1 football.

Are you all there mentally? You seem to live in a very weird fantasy world.

I didn’t redshirt my kids, by the way. I am one of the non-redshirters who find these threads entertaining because the anti-redshirters are so weird. Love to hear about these hordes of D1-prospect football kindergarteners, for instance. Please tell me more about them.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

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Then see yourself out of the conversation, that’s what people are talking about, elementary school redshirting

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Anonymous wrote:We live in a very heavy redshirt area. We moved from DC right before kinder. My son is June and his grade is very old. I just found out two more friends are now being held back. He’s incoming first. One has a Feb bday and the other March. Our cut off date is Sep1. They are struggling with reading but the gap is just becoming very large for the kids on time. This is a public school. Right now even with June he’s the youngest boy in the grade. When we started I actually asked admin these questions and they weren’t honest about it and said most went on time born in summer. Once we started I realized almost everyone from March on redshirted so he’s significantly younger. He’s doing fine but I wish the school was honest about it prior to starting as he’s made friends now so it would be a big transition to do it now.

It doesn’t sound like those kids are being redshirted. They’re being retained. Was that at the parents’ discretion? I’m surprised a school system would allow that. Now that school system has taken on the burden of another entire year of educating those two.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

People generally know the birthdays of peers in social circles at schools. If you and your kid aren’t really in the loop you likely don’t have any idea.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

People generally know the birthdays of peers in social circles at schools. If you and your kid aren’t really in the loop you likely don’t have any idea.

Sounds like you only kinda, sort of know the birthdays of a small fraction of the kids at your school.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

People generally know the birthdays of peers in social circles at schools. If you and your kid aren’t really in the loop you likely don’t have any idea.

Sounds like you only kinda, sort of know the birthdays of a small fraction of the kids at your school.

Depends on the area. We know most of the families in my kids elementary school. Depends how close not the community is. Not a small fraction, I would say most. About 35 boys. Just from sports and birthday parties through the years.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

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Not sure why anyone would want to delay their child's education by one full year if the child was otherwise normal. It seems to be more of a thing among parents who recognize their children have some behavior problems and cognitive issues.

It that case, I sincerely hope simply redshirting is enough to solve the problem. Though I think in many cases it would be better to start school on time and get outside support with the behavior and learning disabilities.

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The red shirting madness is really for the AAP program, OP. A child old enough to be a 3rd grader is going to look pretty smart in a class of 2nd graders, while an on-time smart child may look just above average unless super-gifted. One year can make huge difference developmentally in this age group.
Although almost everyone in the AAP classes still go for outside enrichment and the reasons vary from too smart for AAP to needing help to keep up with AAP.
In the long run, smart kids always thrive, they’ll find a way

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

People generally know the birthdays of peers in social circles at schools. If you and your kid aren’t really in the loop you likely don’t have any idea.

Not in middle school unless the school is very small. Knowing this information in middle school requires borderline inappropriate behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why anyone would want to delay their child's education by one full year if the child was otherwise normal. It seems to be more of a thing among parents who recognize their children have some behavior problems and cognitive issues.

It that case, I sincerely hope simply redshirting is enough to solve the problem. Though I think in many cases it would be better to start school on time and get outside support with the behavior and learning disabilities.

Luckily you aren’t the parent of everyone. Given how few parents regret redshirting, you don’t have to worry! Everyone wins.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated