I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I am one of the rare Democrats who correctly predicted Trump’s win in spring of 2016 and again in 2024.

What OP is getting at is directionally correct (the disillusionment with the status quo, for rise of populism) but where I think she is wrong is that as of yet, I don’t see that somewhat leftward populist shift reflecting in national election outcomes. The critical voters that Democrats need in swing states do not trust the Democratic Party at all, and certainly don’t see Democrats as any sort of “good guy.”

Democrats have an enormous trust hole to dig themselves out of before they can win national elections again. The voters they need see them as liars right now.

I am watching a few Democratic candidates around the country who show promise, although I think a party that relies on the lightning in a bottle that was Obama is ultimately doomed. But the situation isn’t entirely hopeless. Someone who can capitalize on what OP is observing without being tainted by the deep trust issues the party has would have a good shot.

I’m not as pessimistic. To be cynical, there are only two national parties, and always will be. Even if people distrust Democrats (and I’m not sure that’s true), they’ll still vote blue in order to to kick out the vastly more unpopular Trump.

PP here. Why on earth do you think Trump is more unpopular than the Democrats? There is no polling that shows that now. Polls now show Trump is unpopular but the Democratic Party is even more unpopular.

And I don’t know how you can’t see how distrusted the Democrats are at this point, but this is the same smug complacency that lost the presidency in 2024. I find it incredibly frustrating, because if you’d just open your eyes (where you refers to Democrats more generally), maybe we’d have a shot at winning again.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. So the fact that Republicans won the White House, House, Senate and more governorships is clearly an indication of a shift to the left. Survey says? NO. It is a clear rejection of the lurch to the left. Open your eyes…. Migration away from Blue states to Red is even more evidence as people are literally voting with their feet and their dollars. Private schools cannot meet the need as people flee disastrous public schools hijacked by unions. I mean honestly what are you even talking about. Good lord you are delusional.

Do you not understand the concept of time? OP is talking about now and elections in the near future.

More than half a year has passed since Election Day. Just about half a year has passed since January 20.

People rejected the Democrats and they see what the GOP has done with the chance to govern. As usual, it's total shit for everyone not in the 0.1%.

Biden and his open borders and dei stuff and the lies about his mental capacity have done damage on a level you can’t even comprehend. My teenagers openly mock democrats when they don’t think parents are listening. And this is with other kids whose parents are also democrats. It’s amazing.

Amazing that your teens are parroting inflammatory opinions they picked up online? Get back to us when they need to find a job or a place to live or a health insurance policy.

Maybe it’s not from online. Maybe my kids got sent home from school for 1.5 years due to Covid that they ended up getting anyway as did everyone they know. Maybe my kids are the ones who have had to hear endless talk about ged we and identity and are just over all the woke crap. And they know who peddles it. They do!! Maybe my daughter doesn’t like have boys dressed as girls on her soccer team. Maybe all the stupid stuff pushed by the left in lefty Fairfax county is actually backfiring. Maybe you are completely wrong that the culture is turning left when even immigrants support deporting illegals. Maybe the ONLY people who like these policies are rich people unaffected by them. I dunno. Or maybe it’s all from the internet. Maybe that’s it.

Maybe the above is your own frothing hysteria, not your kids. Maybe you hear what you want to hear. Kids today (college age) care about their poor job market prospects and not having the same upward mobility as those who came before. But please, keep entertaining us with your fanfic.

DP. That demographic moved overwhelmingly to Trump in the last election in a way that hasn’t been seen in years.

Do you think their job prospects are going to improve over the next three years? (FYI, they're not) What to you think happens in 2028?

I am the PP who has correctly predicted the last few elections early on and right now I don’t have a good sense of 2028. The Democrats have no compelling candidates for 2028 yet.

However, I am not sure Trump will even be alive. He looks increasingly sick and his dementia symptoms seem to be accelerating. If he passes or is too incapacitated, that will be a big wild card.

What I do know is that it is very foolish to assume the disillusioned youth will return to Democrats in the next election.

You are assuming incorrectly we will have elections.
That ship sailed the day Trump got reelected.

Republicans installed a dictatorship we are no longer the US of America will be MAGAdonia by 2028. Trump may or may not be here that won't matter at all.

The crazy is quite something to see.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I am one of the rare Democrats who correctly predicted Trump’s win in spring of 2016 and again in 2024.

What OP is getting at is directionally correct (the disillusionment with the status quo, for rise of populism) but where I think she is wrong is that as of yet, I don’t see that somewhat leftward populist shift reflecting in national election outcomes. The critical voters that Democrats need in swing states do not trust the Democratic Party at all, and certainly don’t see Democrats as any sort of “good guy.”

Democrats have an enormous trust hole to dig themselves out of before they can win national elections again. The voters they need see them as liars right now.

I am watching a few Democratic candidates around the country who show promise, although I think a party that relies on the lightning in a bottle that was Obama is ultimately doomed. But the situation isn’t entirely hopeless. Someone who can capitalize on what OP is observing without being tainted by the deep trust issues the party has would have a good shot.

+1 I also predicted Trump would win, and I despise him with every fiber of my being.

Dems are out of touch with the common people. Rs did a much better job pushing the message that the border was out of control, and Dems responded to it too little too late. I have been saying since Biden won (whom I voted for) that he needed to deal with the border issue in his first year. But, no, they waited too long for it. Harris visiting the border did nothing.

I do think the Dems need new leadership. Where the heck is Schumer and Pelosi? These are the old guards that need to go. They are doing nothing, at the same time, people don't trust them. They are helping Rs by staying in power and doing nothing.

People wanted someone different, someone not in the establishment. So, we got Trump, who is terrible for this country. Dems need to put someone else forward. Someone not in the establishment. IMO, this is why Obama won. And I didn't even vote for him the first time because I was a staunch R back then. I did the second time.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. So the fact that Republicans won the White House, House, Senate and more governorships is clearly an indication of a shift to the left. Survey says? NO. It is a clear rejection of the lurch to the left. Open your eyes…. Migration away from Blue states to Red is even more evidence as people are literally voting with their feet and their dollars. Private schools cannot meet the need as people flee disastrous public schools hijacked by unions. I mean honestly what are you even talking about. Good lord you are delusional.

Do you not understand the concept of time? OP is talking about now and elections in the near future.

More than half a year has passed since Election Day. Just about half a year has passed since January 20.

People rejected the Democrats and they see what the GOP has done with the chance to govern. As usual, it's total shit for everyone not in the 0.1%.

Biden and his open borders and dei stuff and the lies about his mental capacity have done damage on a level you can’t even comprehend. My teenagers openly mock democrats when they don’t think parents are listening. And this is with other kids whose parents are also democrats. It’s amazing.

Amazing that your teens are parroting inflammatory opinions they picked up online? Get back to us when they need to find a job or a place to live or a health insurance policy.

Maybe it’s not from online. Maybe my kids got sent home from school for 1.5 years due to Covid that they ended up getting anyway as did everyone they know. Maybe my kids are the ones who have had to hear endless talk about ged we and identity and are just over all the woke crap. And they know who peddles it. They do!! Maybe my daughter doesn’t like have boys dressed as girls on her soccer team. Maybe all the stupid stuff pushed by the left in lefty Fairfax county is actually backfiring. Maybe you are completely wrong that the culture is turning left when even immigrants support deporting illegals. Maybe the ONLY people who like these policies are rich people unaffected by them. I dunno. Or maybe it’s all from the internet. Maybe that’s it.

Maybe the above is your own frothing hysteria, not your kids. Maybe you hear what you want to hear. Kids today (college age) care about their poor job market prospects and not having the same upward mobility as those who came before. But please, keep entertaining us with your fanfic.

DP. That demographic moved overwhelmingly to Trump in the last election in a way that hasn’t been seen in years.

Do you think their job prospects are going to improve over the next three years? (FYI, they're not) What to you think happens in 2028?

I am the PP who has correctly predicted the last few elections early on and right now I don’t have a good sense of 2028. The Democrats have no compelling candidates for 2028 yet.

However, I am not sure Trump will even be alive. He looks increasingly sick and his dementia symptoms seem to be accelerating. If he passes or is too incapacitated, that will be a big wild card.

What I do know is that it is very foolish to assume the disillusioned youth will return to Democrats in the next election.

You are assuming incorrectly we will have elections.
That ship sailed the day Trump got reelected.

Republicans installed a dictatorship we are no longer the US of America will be MAGAdonia by 2028. Trump may or may not be here that won't matter at all.

The crazy is quite something to see.

dp.. IDK... MAGA are aligning the players to put Trump back in power after 2028. Project 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans need to unite on a zero tolerance policy for corruption and white collar crime. Stop voting for parties and start voting for character.

Ban congress and their families from trading stocks
Enforce ethics violations
Create new ethics codes for those who have relied on “customs”

Party loyalty is why criminals are in office destroying everything that helps society.

MAGA knew about Trump's unethical dealings but still voted for him.

"I could shoot someone on 5th ave and not lose support". -DJT

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Lots of unusual things are happening with voter rolls...

July 16 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's administration and its allies are trying to obtain voter data from states and inspect voting equipment, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday, in moves it said had caused concern among state and local election officials.
The Post said "the most unusual activity" was taking place in Colorado, where it said a consultant who was working with the White House had asked county clerks whether they would let federal officials or a third party examine voting machines.
"That’s a hard stop for me," Carly Koppes, a Republican clerk in Colorado's Weld County, said. "Nobody gets access to my voting equipment, for security reasons."
The newspaper said the Justice Department had separately asked at least nine states for copies of their voter rolls, and that at least two have turned them over.
White House spokesperson Harrison Fields said in a statement that "Trump will keep fighting for election integrity" and that the administration was "confident in securing an ultimate victory in the courtroom."
Elections in the United States, including for federal offices, are administered by state and local officials.
Trump has long raised doubts about the electoral system and continues to falsely assert that his 2020 loss to Democratic President Joe Biden was due to electoral fraud.
In a Truth Social post on Saturday, Trump stood his ground on voter fraud claims and called for action against the "stolen election of 2020".

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Anonymous wrote:Why does MAGA think Trump is going to be the one to push back on corporate greed? Are they seriously idiots?

The budget they passed mostly helps the corporations and the rich. If MAGA really wanted an anti-establishment, anti-capitalist leader, they should vote for AOC or Bernie, and I don't support either.

I don't know about corporate greed. Washington has a lot more to do with greed than Wall Street. You know who is making the rules. Wall Street is responding to Washington.

Oh, and if you think the GOP is the problem, you had three terms of Obama recently. The global economy is moving forward. Are democrats? Hell no they aren't.

Are you kidding? DC politicians are bought by corporations. Hello? Musk? I am suspect of your knowledge about how things work.

My stock portfolio did mostly great under Clinton and Obama. It tanked under Bush and now Trump with his chaotic policies.

The global economy is moving forward without the US because of Trump and his asinine trade policies. Countries have stated that they need to move on from the US. They want to rely less on the US, and Trump's policies have pushed more countries towards China.

Trump is an idiot, and the damage to our country will soon be irreversible.

-former R who left the party under Bush Jr.

My quibble here is with your portfolio. It is down???

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What I think we are about to see is the emergence of two new major parties over the next few decades. Third parties will emerge temporarily until the GOP and Democratic Party go the way of the T. Rex and Wooly mammoth.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of unusual things are happening with voter rolls...

July 16 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's administration and its allies are trying to obtain voter data from states and inspect voting equipment, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday, in moves it said had caused concern among state and local election officials.
The Post said "the most unusual activity" was taking place in Colorado, where it said a consultant who was working with the White House had asked county clerks whether they would let federal officials or a third party examine voting machines.
"That’s a hard stop for me," Carly Koppes, a Republican clerk in Colorado's Weld County, said. "Nobody gets access to my voting equipment, for security reasons."
The newspaper said the Justice Department had separately asked at least nine states for copies of their voter rolls, and that at least two have turned them over.
White House spokesperson Harrison Fields said in a statement that "Trump will keep fighting for election integrity" and that the administration was "confident in securing an ultimate victory in the courtroom."
Elections in the United States, including for federal offices, are administered by state and local officials.
Trump has long raised doubts about the electoral system and continues to falsely assert that his 2020 loss to Democratic President Joe Biden was due to electoral fraud.
In a Truth Social post on Saturday, Trump stood his ground on voter fraud claims and called for action against the "stolen election of 2020".

More likely, Trump really lost 2024. He stole the election from Harris.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. So the fact that Republicans won the White House, House, Senate and more governorships is clearly an indication of a shift to the left. Survey says? NO. It is a clear rejection of the lurch to the left. Open your eyes…. Migration away from Blue states to Red is even more evidence as people are literally voting with their feet and their dollars. Private schools cannot meet the need as people flee disastrous public schools hijacked by unions. I mean honestly what are you even talking about. Good lord you are delusional.

Do you not understand the concept of time? OP is talking about now and elections in the near future.

More than half a year has passed since Election Day. Just about half a year has passed since January 20.

People rejected the Democrats and they see what the GOP has done with the chance to govern. As usual, it's total shit for everyone not in the 0.1%.

Biden and his open borders and dei stuff and the lies about his mental capacity have done damage on a level you can’t even comprehend. My teenagers openly mock democrats when they don’t think parents are listening. And this is with other kids whose parents are also democrats. It’s amazing.

Amazing that your teens are parroting inflammatory opinions they picked up online? Get back to us when they need to find a job or a place to live or a health insurance policy.

Maybe it’s not from online. Maybe my kids got sent home from school for 1.5 years due to Covid that they ended up getting anyway as did everyone they know. Maybe my kids are the ones who have had to hear endless talk about ged we and identity and are just over all the woke crap. And they know who peddles it. They do!! Maybe my daughter doesn’t like have boys dressed as girls on her soccer team. Maybe all the stupid stuff pushed by the left in lefty Fairfax county is actually backfiring. Maybe you are completely wrong that the culture is turning left when even immigrants support deporting illegals. Maybe the ONLY people who like these policies are rich people unaffected by them. I dunno. Or maybe it’s all from the internet. Maybe that’s it.

Maybe the above is your own frothing hysteria, not your kids. Maybe you hear what you want to hear. Kids today (college age) care about their poor job market prospects and not having the same upward mobility as those who came before. But please, keep entertaining us with your fanfic.

DP. That demographic moved overwhelmingly to Trump in the last election in a way that hasn’t been seen in years.

And now they’ve just graduated and have no job or crappy job. The real world hits different.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does MAGA think Trump is going to be the one to push back on corporate greed? Are they seriously idiots?

The budget they passed mostly helps the corporations and the rich. If MAGA really wanted an anti-establishment, anti-capitalist leader, they should vote for AOC or Bernie, and I don't support either.

I don't know about corporate greed. Washington has a lot more to do with greed than Wall Street. You know who is making the rules. Wall Street is responding to Washington.

Oh, and if you think the GOP is the problem, you had three terms of Obama recently. The global economy is moving forward. Are democrats? Hell no they aren't.

Are you kidding? DC politicians are bought by corporations. Hello? Musk? I am suspect of your knowledge about how things work.

My stock portfolio did mostly great under Clinton and Obama. It tanked under Bush and now Trump with his chaotic policies.

The global economy is moving forward without the US because of Trump and his asinine trade policies. Countries have stated that they need to move on from the US. They want to rely less on the US, and Trump's policies have pushed more countries towards China.

Trump is an idiot, and the damage to our country will soon be irreversible.

-former R who left the party under Bush Jr.

My quibble here is with your portfolio. It is down???

It went down, as everyone's did. It did go back up, but we lost several month's worth of growth. I am nearing retirement age, so that hurt. But, it hurt people who are retired even more.

I am old enough to have lived through a few recessions, including the crash in 2008. Interestingly, the recession years were all during a R presidency. Now, as a former R, that was hard for me to swallow. But looking at the numbers for the past 40 years, that's how it played out. And it appears that the economy swung back to positive during the subsequent Dem POTUS.

I'm now an Independent, but if I just look at the numbers and care about my portfolio, I'd say vote Dem for POTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I am one of the rare Democrats who correctly predicted Trump’s win in spring of 2016 and again in 2024.

What OP is getting at is directionally correct (the disillusionment with the status quo, for rise of populism) but where I think she is wrong is that as of yet, I don’t see that somewhat leftward populist shift reflecting in national election outcomes. The critical voters that Democrats need in swing states do not trust the Democratic Party at all, and certainly don’t see Democrats as any sort of “good guy.”

Democrats have an enormous trust hole to dig themselves out of before they can win national elections again. The voters they need see them as liars right now.

I am watching a few Democratic candidates around the country who show promise, although I think a party that relies on the lightning in a bottle that was Obama is ultimately doomed. But the situation isn’t entirely hopeless. Someone who can capitalize on what OP is observing without being tainted by the deep trust issues the party has would have a good shot.

I’m not as pessimistic. To be cynical, there are only two national parties, and always will be. Even if people distrust Democrats (and I’m not sure that’s true), they’ll still vote blue in order to to kick out the vastly more unpopular Trump.

PP here. Why on earth do you think Trump is more unpopular than the Democrats? There is no polling that shows that now. Polls now show Trump is unpopular but the Democratic Party is even more unpopular.

And I don’t know how you can’t see how distrusted the Democrats are at this point, but this is the same smug complacency that lost the presidency in 2024. I find it incredibly frustrating, because if you’d just open your eyes (where you refers to Democrats more generally), maybe we’d have a shot at winning again.

That's a very misused/misunderstood view of polls. The Democrats are currently at 37.9% favorable and 58.3% unfavorable. The same time four years ago, the Republicans were 34.9% favorable and 59.4% unfavorable. The Democrats have been overperforming and the Republicans have been underperforming in every election since Trump was elected. The attempted redistricting in Texas is to help stave off what will be significant losses for the Republicans in 2026. Prices are going to continue increasing (let alone decreasing as promised) with the job market abysmal. Elections are won/lost off the economy.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/trackers/the-democratic-party-favorability

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/trackers/the-republican-party-favorability?period=5yrs

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I am one of the rare Democrats who correctly predicted Trump’s win in spring of 2016 and again in 2024.

What OP is getting at is directionally correct (the disillusionment with the status quo, for rise of populism) but where I think she is wrong is that as of yet, I don’t see that somewhat leftward populist shift reflecting in national election outcomes. The critical voters that Democrats need in swing states do not trust the Democratic Party at all, and certainly don’t see Democrats as any sort of “good guy.”

Democrats have an enormous trust hole to dig themselves out of before they can win national elections again. The voters they need see them as liars right now.

I am watching a few Democratic candidates around the country who show promise, although I think a party that relies on the lightning in a bottle that was Obama is ultimately doomed. But the situation isn’t entirely hopeless. Someone who can capitalize on what OP is observing without being tainted by the deep trust issues the party has would have a good shot.

+1 I also predicted Trump would win, and I despise him with every fiber of my being.

Dems are out of touch with the common people. Rs did a much better job pushing the message that the border was out of control, and Dems responded to it too little too late. I have been saying since Biden won (whom I voted for) that he needed to deal with the border issue in his first year. But, no, they waited too long for it. Harris visiting the border did nothing.

I do think the Dems need new leadership. Where the heck is Schumer and Pelosi? These are the old guards that need to go. They are doing nothing, at the same time, people don't trust them. They are helping Rs by staying in power and doing nothing.

People wanted someone different, someone not in the establishment. So, we got Trump, who is terrible for this country. Dems need to put someone else forward. Someone not in the establishment. IMO, this is why Obama won. And I didn't even vote for him the first time because I was a staunch R back then. I did the second time.

Agree, but “not the establishment” doesn’t mean what most Democrats think it means. To win, “not the establishment” means rank and file labor. It means working class workers, not privileging NGOs and illegal immigrants. It means nothing to do with DEI and woke (which are seen largely as tools of oppression used by ruling classes to suppress the working class). It means abandoning the incomprehensible language of academia for plain speaking. It means being very careful about pushing things like student loan forgiveness, which largely just favor the already-wealthy.

It means a sea change. And I don’t think leadership can stomach that.

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NP. Serious question. What do you think of Mark Cuban? How voters may receive him? Curious to know your opinion given your voting patterns. I’m not advocating for him, but I sometimes wonder if a candidate like him (successful, non-establishment, wealthy advocate for underdogs that can fairly assess corporate reach, household name most common folk recognize) is necessary to help move the needle back to “normal” post-Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Serious question. What do you think of Mark Cuban? How voters may receive him? Curious to know your opinion given your voting patterns. I’m not advocating for him, but I sometimes wonder if a candidate like him (successful, non-establishment, wealthy advocate for underdogs that can fairly assess corporate reach, household name most common folk recognize) is necessary to help move the needle back to “normal” post-Trump.

I’m the Democrat PP who has correctly predicted election outcomes early and at this point I don’t see him as a viable candidate for a 2028 presidential win. That might change depending on how the next year goes. But for now, no.