Flash Flood in Texas,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

I am sure the buildings and their locations were approved by the local government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

DP here. It's like for gun control, PP. We weep for the victims, especially innocent children. This is so evident, it doesn't even need to be said, but I'll say it for the poster who is so upset that they did not spell it out for you.

A lot of us get extremely angry because all these deaths could have been prevented, or at least more effort could have been made. But those efforts are not made, because one political faction has decided that this is a political fight, and continues to do everything in its power to stifle research and implementation of climate and gun control measures. Look at all the other countries in the world: they take climate change and gun control seriously, regardless of political party, to the best of their economic abilities.

Don't look away from the real problem: the conservatives' unhinged refusal to help society deal with risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure there is some blame with the current administration, however I've been a witness to an intense flash flood. We had a little bit of warning but I was still shocked by how quickly it came on. I don't think many realize the intensity of these types of flash flooding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure there is some blame with the current administration, however I've been a witness to an intense flash flood. We had a little bit of warning but I was still shocked by how quickly it came on. I don't think many realize the intensity of these types of flash flooding.

+1 you can have flooding in literal minutes with a flash flood. There are stories every year about people in a car or hiking or whatever being washed away in a freak flash flood.

Not saying this tragedy was unavoidable. The camp itself likely bears some responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

If we didn't feel deep pain about these poor kids, we wouldn't be angry about politics, PP.

Climate change leads to such brutal catastrophes that it would take a united nation to fund research and actions to prevent deaths like the ones we had yesterday. All of the Democrats' praiseworthy action hasn't been enough because the opposing party has stalled at every turn, particularly in red states. The current administration is making things much worse with funding cuts, but you need to understand that the US wasn't well prepared in the first place, because of the cognitive dissonance populations feel when Republicans insert their climate change lies in every discussion.

Republicans are ultimately responsible for these deaths, and those of others. And this needs to be said every time innocent victims lose their lives in climate change events. Saying it does not diminish the respect and sorrow we feel for the victims. Quite the opposite! We want justice for them, and justice means doing out best to ensure other innocent lives won't be lost because of insane, entirely wrong-headed and downright murderous views on climate change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

Potentially less loss of life due to cuts to NWS, but likely not and we'll never know. BUT We certainly wouldn't have AOC or Bernie claiming MAGA was shooting chems into clouds to make the disasters worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

DP here. It's like for gun control, PP. We weep for the victims, especially innocent children. This is so evident, it doesn't even need to be said, but I'll say it for the poster who is so upset that they did not spell it out for you.

A lot of us get extremely angry because all these deaths could have been prevented, or at least more effort could have been made. But those efforts are not made, because one political faction has decided that this is a political fight, and continues to do everything in its power to stifle research and implementation of climate and gun control measures. Look at all the other countries in the world: they take climate change and gun control seriously, regardless of political party, to the best of their economic abilities.

Don't look away from the real problem: the conservatives' unhinged refusal to help society deal with risk.

NP. You are avoiding what the PP bolded and as a Trump hater, I agree what PP wrote was absolutely grotesque.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

[Anonymous]

NP. No, I don’t think who is President affected this particular case but it’s a lesson learned on why funding NOAA and NWS is so critical and why putting heads in the sand about climate change is not going to serve anyone. MTC’s comments about this being Dems’ fault are outrageous.

Though I will say, there is something ironic about this mostly affecting a Christian affiliated camp where a lot of elite Texans (likely Republicans) go. It’s tragic no matter what, but perhaps a wake up call that this isn’t just a “lib” problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

The older kids in the cabins farther up the hill made it out. They could’ve relocated the kids in the lower lying cabins. But again, maybe don’t pack off an 8 year old to camp. Just because “everyone does it” doesn’t mean you have to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

The older kids in the cabins farther up the hill made it out. They could’ve relocated the kids in the lower lying cabins. But again, maybe don’t pack off an 8 year old to camp. Just because “everyone does it” doesn’t mean you have to.

There wasn't time!! Are you serious?? They had seconds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

The older kids in the cabins farther up the hill made it out. They could’ve relocated the kids in the lower lying cabins. But again, maybe don’t pack off an 8 year old to camp. Just because “everyone does it” doesn’t mean you have to.

So you’re back to blaming the parents. Nope, sorry. 8 and 9 year olds have been safely going to camp for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

+1 thank you and I agree.