And Pitt coming in at 52! It really is a research powerhouse when you look at the volume of research and amount of NIH funding. This ranking seems to have been heavily influenced by research output. But I like when some of these underdogs, which are really excellent schools, stand out when methods shift (e.g., prestige less heavily weighted). |
Yeah but now very few that get admitted submit scores so the quality has likely fallen substantially. I doubt they are in the top 50 anymore if you had everyone’s scores. 6-year is not “industry standard.” It’s a common metric but so is 4-year. 6-year measures total ability to eventually graduate, 4-year measures ability to finish “on time” which is especially important for many families as school is expensive. Earnings data is skewed by the proportion of kids at each school that are part of the measurement (it varies a lot from school to school) and especially geographic location of grads. Most of the schools you mentioned are sending a larger portion of their kids to areas other than the northeast. |
Northeastern is not an outlier for current TO policy compared to similar level schools and have similar TO ratio. Very top schools started to switch to test required. Other schools will follow that. Few schools switched to test required at similar level so far. US Department of Education uses 6-year rate and USN&WR uses 6-year rate for its ranking. It's de facto industry standard for reasons. Nothing different for Northeastern who wants to gradate in 4 years. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-criteria-and-weights No data is perfect but the data from the US Department of the Education is the best we have. You can get a good idea. |
Yes, at 24% SAT/7% ACT, Northeastern is more like a 50-100 school than anything else. So in that sense it is not an outlier. Same for its 4 year graduation rate, which has it in the mid-40s (USNWR publishes both: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/highest-grad-rate). So I guess we agree that Northeastern is indeed similar to “similar-level” schools if referring to schools in the 45-100 range. |
With the 4 year, Villanova is better than MIT which is engineering heavy. That's why they don't use it for the metrics. USN&WR use 6 year in it's ranking calculation. Similar level schools would be BU, BC, Tufts, NYU, LeHigh, URochester, WF. |
For example, NYU 28% SAT/10% ACT. Schools like Northeastern, NYU gets well over 100K apps. Many students strategically go TO if scores are less than median which has been close to 1500. It hasn't changed much since when score was mandatory. Things will settle down once most schools go back to test required. |
BU: 33%/10% BC: 28%/16% Tufts: 38%/18% NYU: 28%/10% Lehigh: 30%/10% Rochester: 19%/6% Wake: 26%/22% So yeah, Northeastern (and Rochester) bringing up the rear in this group. Plus a middling 4 year graduation rate (important given how expensive) puts it pretty squarely in the 50-70 range. |
Thanks for the data(assuming they are all correct). Yep these schools are all TO, and no significant differences unless you want meaningless nitpick. |
By the way, you don't pay extra if you choose to stay longer because of coop or anything like that. You even get prorated tuition/room/board for Summer sessions based on aid/merit/scholarship you received. It's all about flexibility. |
He has been successful at becoming wealthy and people know his name. But Norman Borlaug was much more successful by other measures. |