How many more engineering and CS majors do we need?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Engineering and CS majors can work in many industries including going to law school and taking jobs at investment banks, no need for them to be humanities majors

They don’t often have the other soft skills necessary to complete those jobs though. So they would never be hired to begin with.

Actually, engineering majors are often the best read and most empathetic kids you'll meet these days. Because they are smart and they are curious. At my kid's top 20 school, the engineering majors are highly recruited by MBB and Wall Street. So I think your assumptions are very dated. It's not 1987 anymore. The smart kids aren't going into history or political science or other soft majors these days. Engineering is vacuuming a lot of the talent now. Whether it's the right fit for everyone is a different discussion. I would never encourage anyone who doesn't have the aptitude and discipline to choose engineering. It is a very tough major everywhere.

No need to overdo it. The big reason so many students are majoring in STEM is the shift by institutions to make STEM accessible. CS, particularly, has been softened to play-doh at many institutions and you can coast through a degree with the hardest math class maybe being an application-based linear algebra course. Smart kids still major in any and everything, and there's many social science students going into banking/finance and consulting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Engineering and CS majors can work in many industries including going to law school and taking jobs at investment banks, no need for them to be humanities majors

They don’t often have the other soft skills necessary to complete those jobs though. So they would never be hired to begin with.

Actually, engineering majors are often the best read and most empathetic kids you'll meet these days. Because they are smart and they are curious. At my kid's top 20 school, the engineering majors are highly recruited by MBB and Wall Street. So I think your assumptions are very dated. It's not 1987 anymore. The smart kids aren't going into history or political science or other soft majors these days. Engineering is vacuuming a lot of the talent now. Whether it's the right fit for everyone is a different discussion. I would never encourage anyone who doesn't have the aptitude and discipline to choose engineering. It is a very tough major everywhere.

No need to overdo it. The big reason so many students are majoring in STEM is the shift by institutions to make STEM accessible. CS, particularly, has been softened to play-doh at many institutions and you can coast through a degree with the hardest math class maybe being an application-based linear algebra course. Smart kids still major in any and everything, and there's many social science students going into banking/finance and consulting.

some?

CS majors can go into banking /finance and consulting too. And?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Engineering and CS majors can work in many industries including going to law school and taking jobs at investment banks, no need for them to be humanities majors

They don’t often have the other soft skills necessary to complete those jobs though. So they would never be hired to begin with.

Actually, engineering majors are often the best read and most empathetic kids you'll meet these days. Because they are smart and they are curious. At my kid's top 20 school, the engineering majors are highly recruited by MBB and Wall Street. So I think your assumptions are very dated. It's not 1987 anymore. The smart kids aren't going into history or political science or other soft majors these days. Engineering is vacuuming a lot of the talent now. Whether it's the right fit for everyone is a different discussion. I would never encourage anyone who doesn't have the aptitude and discipline to choose engineering. It is a very tough major everywhere.

No need to overdo it. The big reason so many students are majoring in STEM is the shift by institutions to make STEM accessible. CS, particularly, has been softened to play-doh at many institutions and you can coast through a degree with the hardest math class maybe being an application-based linear algebra course. Smart kids still major in any and everything, and there's many social science students going into banking/finance and consulting.

some?

CS majors can go into banking /finance and consulting too. And?

I don't really see you making a point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Engineering and CS majors can work in many industries including going to law school and taking jobs at investment banks, no need for them to be humanities majors

They don’t often have the other soft skills necessary to complete those jobs though. So they would never be hired to begin with.

Actually, engineering majors are often the best read and most empathetic kids you'll meet these days. Because they are smart and they are curious. At my kid's top 20 school, the engineering majors are highly recruited by MBB and Wall Street. So I think your assumptions are very dated. It's not 1987 anymore. The smart kids aren't going into history or political science or other soft majors these days. Engineering is vacuuming a lot of the talent now. Whether it's the right fit for everyone is a different discussion. I would never encourage anyone who doesn't have the aptitude and discipline to choose engineering. It is a very tough major everywhere.

No need to overdo it. The big reason so many students are majoring in STEM is the shift by institutions to make STEM accessible. CS, particularly, has been softened to play-doh at many institutions and you can coast through a degree with the hardest math class maybe being an application-based linear algebra course. Smart kids still major in any and everything, and there's many social science students going into banking/finance and consulting.

+1, look at the top LACs where CS is almost eclipsing Econ for the lazy mans degree. It just isn't as difficult as other STEM degrees and doesn't weed as many students out. Physics could pay you $300k starting salary right out of college and hardly any would make it through still.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like that’s all kids are majoring in. Many without the passion for it. Both fields are oversaturated with a lot of kids having no business being in these programs. Can we get a pendulum swing and have a push into humanities and trade schools?

Pay shit ton of $$$ and major in humanities ??

The two humanities grads we know (top10 undergrad) are headed to JPmorgan and harvard law. Most of their friends secured similarly impressive next-steps. The stem majors also have excellent opportunities lined up but folks do not seem surprised by stem doing well. However the stem majors from nonelite schools do much better than humanities at the same school. Major is not as important as the undergrad prestige

I went to an elite. The humanities to banker pipeline is filled with connected students with family in finance; STEM was for immigrants and first gen who didn’t have an advocate at a bank to open the door.

[Anonymous]

Just read somewhere that most CS majors are struggling to find jobs. Unless you are a wunderkind, the competition is fierce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Engineering and CS majors can work in many industries including going to law school and taking jobs at investment banks, no need for them to be humanities majors

They don’t often have the other soft skills necessary to complete those jobs though. So they would never be hired to begin with.

Actually, engineering majors are often the best read and most empathetic kids you'll meet these days. Because they are smart and they are curious. At my kid's top 20 school, the engineering majors are highly recruited by MBB and Wall Street. So I think your assumptions are very dated. It's not 1987 anymore. The smart kids aren't going into history or political science or other soft majors these days. Engineering is vacuuming a lot of the talent now. Whether it's the right fit for everyone is a different discussion. I would never encourage anyone who doesn't have the aptitude and discipline to choose engineering. It is a very tough major everywhere.

No need to overdo it. The big reason so many students are majoring in STEM is the shift by institutions to make STEM accessible. CS, particularly, has been softened to play-doh at many institutions and you can coast through a degree with the hardest math class maybe being an application-based linear algebra course. Smart kids still major in any and everything, and there's many social science students going into banking/finance and consulting.

But the comment wasn't about CS. It was about engineering. There's a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like that’s all kids are majoring in. Many without the passion for it. Both fields are oversaturated with a lot of kids having no business being in these programs. Can we get a pendulum swing and have a push into humanities and trade schools?

Pay shit ton of $$$ and major in humanities ??

The two humanities grads we know (top10 undergrad) are headed to JPmorgan and harvard law. Most of their friends secured similarly impressive next-steps. The stem majors also have excellent opportunities lined up but folks do not seem surprised by stem doing well. However the stem majors from nonelite schools do much better than humanities at the same school. Major is not as important as the undergrad prestige

I went to an elite. The humanities to banker pipeline is filled with connected students with family in finance; STEM was for immigrants and first gen who didn’t have an advocate at a bank to open the door.

??? Bizarre. You don't need a family in for banking if you are already going to an elite school. Hop on LinkedIn, hit up an alum, get a referral and get your interview.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Engineering and CS majors can work in many industries including going to law school and taking jobs at investment banks, no need for them to be humanities majors

They don’t often have the other soft skills necessary to complete those jobs though. So they would never be hired to begin with.

Actually, engineering majors are often the best read and most empathetic kids you'll meet these days. Because they are smart and they are curious. At my kid's top 20 school, the engineering majors are highly recruited by MBB and Wall Street. So I think your assumptions are very dated. It's not 1987 anymore. The smart kids aren't going into history or political science or other soft majors these days. Engineering is vacuuming a lot of the talent now. Whether it's the right fit for everyone is a different discussion. I would never encourage anyone who doesn't have the aptitude and discipline to choose engineering. It is a very tough major everywhere.

No need to overdo it. The big reason so many students are majoring in STEM is the shift by institutions to make STEM accessible. CS, particularly, has been softened to play-doh at many institutions and you can coast through a degree with the hardest math class maybe being an application-based linear algebra course. Smart kids still major in any and everything, and there's many social science students going into banking/finance and consulting.

CS majors can go into banking /finance and consulting too. And?

I don't really see you making a point.

CS majors can go into other fields as well. It's an adaptable STEM major. STEM is still in demand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just read somewhere that most CS majors are struggling to find jobs. Unless you are a wunderkind, the competition is fierce.

The competition is "fierce" for any job worth getting. College grads just don't waltz into jobs. Duh.

[Anonymous]

Yeah back in the day CS attracted the true nerds who weren't necessarily chasing employment opportunities, and took it even when there was a bit of a social stigma for being into computers. Peoole graduated being decent programmers because they just happened to program a lot. Not the case these days. CS never was a program to turn people into SWEs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Engineering and CS majors can work in many industries including going to law school and taking jobs at investment banks, no need for them to be humanities majors

They don’t often have the other soft skills necessary to complete those jobs though. So they would never be hired to begin with.

Actually, engineering majors are often the best read and most empathetic kids you'll meet these days. Because they are smart and they are curious. At my kid's top 20 school, the engineering majors are highly recruited by MBB and Wall Street. So I think your assumptions are very dated. It's not 1987 anymore. The smart kids aren't going into history or political science or other soft majors these days. Engineering is vacuuming a lot of the talent now. Whether it's the right fit for everyone is a different discussion. I would never encourage anyone who doesn't have the aptitude and discipline to choose engineering. It is a very tough major everywhere.

No need to overdo it. The big reason so many students are majoring in STEM is the shift by institutions to make STEM accessible. CS, particularly, has been softened to play-doh at many institutions and you can coast through a degree with the hardest math class maybe being an application-based linear algebra course. Smart kids still major in any and everything, and there's many social science students going into banking/finance and consulting.

But the comment wasn't about CS. It was about engineering. There's a difference.

Whatever, the post is about cs and engineering. I'm not blind, but I do stay on the actual topic. Computer science has seen a 100% uptick in degrees over a 4 year period. Engineering, like other hard sciences, has a massive attrition rate of 50%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Engineering and CS majors can work in many industries including going to law school and taking jobs at investment banks, no need for them to be humanities majors

They don’t often have the other soft skills necessary to complete those jobs though. So they would never be hired to begin with.

Actually, engineering majors are often the best read and most empathetic kids you'll meet these days. Because they are smart and they are curious. At my kid's top 20 school, the engineering majors are highly recruited by MBB and Wall Street. So I think your assumptions are very dated. It's not 1987 anymore. The smart kids aren't going into history or political science or other soft majors these days. Engineering is vacuuming a lot of the talent now. Whether it's the right fit for everyone is a different discussion. I would never encourage anyone who doesn't have the aptitude and discipline to choose engineering. It is a very tough major everywhere.

No need to overdo it. The big reason so many students are majoring in STEM is the shift by institutions to make STEM accessible. CS, particularly, has been softened to play-doh at many institutions and you can coast through a degree with the hardest math class maybe being an application-based linear algebra course. Smart kids still major in any and everything, and there's many social science students going into banking/finance and consulting.

This was the point I was trying to make. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like that’s all kids are majoring in. Many without the passion for it. Both fields are oversaturated with a lot of kids having no business being in these programs. Can we get a pendulum swing and have a push into humanities and trade schools?

Those denigrating CS and engineering majors ( and trying to be the arbiters of who should be in these programs), don’t have the aptitude to major in such field much less comment on them.

STFU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like that’s all kids are majoring in. Many without the passion for it. Both fields are oversaturated with a lot of kids having no business being in these programs. Can we get a pendulum swing and have a push into humanities and trade schools?

Pay shit ton of $$$ and major in humanities ??

The two humanities grads we know (top10 undergrad) are headed to JPmorgan and harvard law. Most of their friends secured similarly impressive next-steps. The stem majors also have excellent opportunities lined up but folks do not seem surprised by stem doing well. However the stem majors from nonelite schools do much better than humanities at the same school. Major is not as important as the undergrad prestige

Schools beyond the top 10 also cost $$$. ROI in humanities is not there for the vast majority of students.

Mostly self induced. The humanities grads willing to pivot through sales, communications, and consulting positions do fine. Many students are delusional and want to be editors, publishers, archivists, writers, or academics. You need to be adaptable.