US Deports 4 year old citizen with cancer with undocumented mother

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. The father (or a US citizen if the father doesn’t have legal residency here) needs to fly down to Honduras and bring the child back. Yes it sucks that the child will be without his mother but she doesn’t have legal status - so that was always a possibility.

2. How often does the kid need the lifesaving medicine? Is it available in Honduras?

Are people even asking common sense stuff like this or are we just sticking to outrage and not actually helping this child?

Also, we need to give the mother some agency. Possibly she was coerced into taking her child with her. That should be investigated. But if she decided it was in her child’s best interest to stay with her - like maybe she knows more about his cancer treatment than we do and determined he could get the treatment he needs in Honduras - then we should respect her parental decisions.

You don’t help a sick kid by separating them from their mother. Why can’t we use common sense in this country anymore. There are far more people that are eligible to deport who don’t have these kinds of circumstances. Stop being evil.

Again. We do not even know if the report is true.

Yes we do??

I mean, even Fox is confirming the facts.

They deported a mom with a kid who was receiving cancer treatment. There’s no defense for the moral bankruptcy.

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/us-citizen-children-deported-mothers-lawyers-say

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

Stop voting for republicans. This country can more than afford to pay for healthcare for kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

Stop voting for republicans. This country can more than afford to pay for healthcare for kids.

And PS: if you would be fine walking up to that mother and giving her the “choice” that ICE gave her, you have serious deficiencies in character that you should examine before trying your hand at policy. Allowing an exception in this case is perfectly sustainable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. The father (or a US citizen if the father doesn’t have legal residency here) needs to fly down to Honduras and bring the child back. Yes it sucks that the child will be without his mother but she doesn’t have legal status - so that was always a possibility.

2. How often does the kid need the lifesaving medicine? Is it available in Honduras?

Are people even asking common sense stuff like this or are we just sticking to outrage and not actually helping this child?

Also, we need to give the mother some agency. Possibly she was coerced into taking her child with her. That should be investigated. But if she decided it was in her child’s best interest to stay with her - like maybe she knows more about his cancer treatment than we do and determined he could get the treatment he needs in Honduras - then we should respect her parental decisions.

You don’t help a sick kid by separating them from their mother. Why can’t we use common sense in this country anymore. There are far more people that are eligible to deport who don’t have these kinds of circumstances. Stop being evil.

Again. We do not even know if the report is true.

Yes we do??

I mean, even Fox is confirming the facts.

They deported a mom with a kid who was receiving cancer treatment. There’s no defense for the moral bankruptcy.

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/us-citizen-children-deported-mothers-lawyers-say

Did you read it? The "facts" are according to the attorneys and the ACLU. Maybe it is factual and maybe not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

1. Every year my property tax bill goes up. Where do you live? Property taxes are going up everywhere. That doesn't mean the rise is directly or exclusively related to undocumented migrants. In reality, undocumented migrants actually contribute to local revenues through various taxes. In Virginia, for example, they pay between $51.9 million and $67.1 million annually in property taxes, either directly as homeowners or indirectly through rent payments that cover landlords' property tax obligations. Nationwide, undocumented immigrants paid approximately $10.4 billion in property taxes in 2022.​

2. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Undocumented migrants are not the reason your healthcare is "insane." Look to rising hospital and drug prices, an aging population with chronic conditions, and administrative costs for the reason for increased healthcare prices. In reality, migrants generally use less medical care than citizens and pay taxes into systems they can’t access.

Anything else you'd like to blame on the undocumented as a group?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. The father (or a US citizen if the father doesn’t have legal residency here) needs to fly down to Honduras and bring the child back. Yes it sucks that the child will be without his mother but she doesn’t have legal status - so that was always a possibility.

2. How often does the kid need the lifesaving medicine? Is it available in Honduras?

Are people even asking common sense stuff like this or are we just sticking to outrage and not actually helping this child?

Also, we need to give the mother some agency. Possibly she was coerced into taking her child with her. That should be investigated. But if she decided it was in her child’s best interest to stay with her - like maybe she knows more about his cancer treatment than we do and determined he could get the treatment he needs in Honduras - then we should respect her parental decisions.

You don’t help a sick kid by separating them from their mother. Why can’t we use common sense in this country anymore. There are far more people that are eligible to deport who don’t have these kinds of circumstances. Stop being evil.

Again. We do not even know if the report is true.

Yes we do??

I mean, even Fox is confirming the facts.

They deported a mom with a kid who was receiving cancer treatment. There’s no defense for the moral bankruptcy.

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/us-citizen-children-deported-mothers-lawyers-say

Did you read it? The "facts" are according to the attorneys and the ACLU. Maybe it is factual and maybe not.

. Out damn spot!

You can’t get away from this Lady Macbeth. You voted for this cruelty. Your denialism is pretty ugly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

Thank you. It would be different if our healthcare system wasn’t totally broken for its own citizens who pay through the nose for terrible coverage. I bet the do-gooders on this thread wouldn’t let their child spend one day at my children’s now-Title 1 school that was not that way when we bought our house. Over 50% of the students do not speak English as a first language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

Stop voting for republicans. This country can more than afford to pay for healthcare for kids.

If the billionaires pay their fair share sure, but they don't. America is funded off the backs of the middle class and you're killing us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

Stop voting for republicans. This country can more than afford to pay for healthcare for kids.

If the billionaires pay their fair share sure, but they don't. America is funded off the backs of the middle class and you're killing us.

Uhm, you should consider voting for Dems if that’s what you believe. Welcome!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

1. Every year my property tax bill goes up. Where do you live? Property taxes are going up everywhere. That doesn't mean the rise is directly or exclusively related to undocumented migrants. In reality, undocumented migrants actually contribute to local revenues through various taxes. In Virginia, for example, they pay between $51.9 million and $67.1 million annually in property taxes, either directly as homeowners or indirectly through rent payments that cover landlords' property tax obligations. Nationwide, undocumented immigrants paid approximately $10.4 billion in property taxes in 2022.​

2. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Undocumented migrants are not the reason your healthcare is "insane." Look to rising hospital and drug prices, an aging population with chronic conditions, and administrative costs for the reason for increased healthcare prices. In reality, migrants generally use less medical care than citizens and pay taxes into systems they can’t access.

Anything else you'd like to blame on the undocumented as a group?

The Undocumented use a ton of medical services. Simply go to your local hospital and look around. All free to them. Meanwhile actual citizens are billed thousands of dollars to get diagnosed with the flu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

Thank you. It would be different if our healthcare system wasn’t totally broken for its own citizens who pay through the nose for terrible coverage. I bet the do-gooders on this thread wouldn’t let their child spend one day at my children’s now-Title 1 school that was not that way when we bought our house. Over 50% of the students do not speak English as a first language.

You’d be wrong. I have a kid at a school like that right now. You know what has made it improve???? Title I funding and after school programs, paid for with my tax dollars. Worth every penny. Deporting moms with sick children isn’t going to do a damn thing to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

Thank you. It would be different if our healthcare system wasn’t totally broken for its own citizens who pay through the nose for terrible coverage. I bet the do-gooders on this thread wouldn’t let their child spend one day at my children’s now-Title 1 school that was not that way when we bought our house. Over 50% of the students do not speak English as a first language.

Regarding the schools, I feel your frustration!! I personally feel an exception should’ve been made for the mother with cancer, but my husband and I paid over $600K for a house and the schools are not usable as the majority of students do not speak English. I know that house value is peanuts for this area but that is what we could afford without overextending ourselves and planning for kids. So frustrating. And yes, it makes me laugh when I drive through McLean and see all the ‘no human is illegal’ signs. You would NEVER live in my neighborhood or put your child in the schools here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet these people take money from the church basket. I’m just beyond disgusted with my fellow Americans today.

I want healthcare for all American citizens but it will never happen as long as we have endless immigration because there is no way to account for costs. It isn't right that people come across the border, sometimes already pregnant, and have multiple children in order to avail themselves of free services that US citizens cannot access for themselves despite paying taxes for a lifetime. I would love to offer a good life to everyone who wants to come here but it's not realistic. The current system is unsustainable. The people complaining here are mostly wealthy posters who are immune to the problems the rest of us deal with due to illegal immigration. They have access to great healthcare, private schools and gated communities. My kids attend schools that are literally falling apart while a ridiculous amount of money is spent on programs to support illegal immigrants in our pyramid. Every year my property tax bill goes up. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Also, it isn't just poorer immigrants who abuse birth right citizenship. There are wealthy mothers from all over the world who come to the US specifically to give birth. Not wanting to subsidize all of this abuse with our tax dollars does not make us terrible people. No other civilized country in the world has the immigration issues that we do.

1. Every year my property tax bill goes up. Where do you live? Property taxes are going up everywhere. That doesn't mean the rise is directly or exclusively related to undocumented migrants. In reality, undocumented migrants actually contribute to local revenues through various taxes. In Virginia, for example, they pay between $51.9 million and $67.1 million annually in property taxes, either directly as homeowners or indirectly through rent payments that cover landlords' property tax obligations. Nationwide, undocumented immigrants paid approximately $10.4 billion in property taxes in 2022.​

2. We pay out of pocket for our healthcare and the costs are insane. Undocumented migrants are not the reason your healthcare is "insane." Look to rising hospital and drug prices, an aging population with chronic conditions, and administrative costs for the reason for increased healthcare prices. In reality, migrants generally use less medical care than citizens and pay taxes into systems they can’t access.

Anything else you'd like to blame on the undocumented as a group?

The Undocumented use a ton of medical services. Simply go to your local hospital and look around. All free to them. Meanwhile actual citizens are billed thousands of dollars to get diagnosed with the flu.

I read an article about Kilmar Abrego Garcia's wife. She had two kids by another man but it was not clear from the article whether he was still involved in her their lives. Then she got pregnant by Garcia. There was some documented abuse. One or two of the children have special needs. However, the article went on to say that Garcia had gotten a union sheet metal worker job and things were looking up. There was "talk of having a fourth child". This is where my sympathy ends. Is it responsible to have four kids when your status is in limbo? Is it responsible to have more kids when you already have special needs children? How do you properly support four children on a metal worker salary? How do you properly support the emotional and educational needs of four children at all? There is no responsibility or planning or birth control because the US taxpayer is will pay for schooling, special services, medical care and food subsidies. I know, I know, they pay taxes but they also take far more from the system than they pay in. That is a fact. I would be a lot more sympathetic if the immigrants used birth control and did some family planning. We already have an underclass in America that we need to support. We don't need another.

[Anonymous]

So PP, would you be perfectly willing to walk up to the mom with stage four cancer and put her on a plane?

Stop rationalizing the evil before it’s too late for you.