NIH wades into foreign affairs

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Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

Unfortunately, so much of our economy has direct or has some connection to the military industrial complex especially in areas like the DMV. We're dependent on being in a perpetual state of warfare and if we don't have anyone to fight, we'll manufacture the consent to find a target.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People equating Covid vaccines pressure with the dismantling of democracy and our system of law and order are NUTS. Not even in the same ballpark and your post-pandemic mania does not give you a free pass to be a jackass now. FFS you guys still braying about Covid vaccines are insane.

It's easy to ignore other people's civil liberties when they're under threat, especially when you've denigrated or dehumanized them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

Unfortunately, so much of our economy has direct or has some connection to the military industrial complex especially in areas like the DMV. We're dependent on being in a perpetual state of warfare and if we don't have anyone to fight, we'll manufacture the consent to find a target.

You're right. And the rest of the jobs, if we're being honest, are BS jobs that don't provide anything of real value to society. But it doesn't have to be this way. We don't have to live in a world of mass suffering built by and for billionaires. We just need more people to wake up and say no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

How does doing basic research on a daily basis equate to blood on people’s hands. Huge leap there.

Not the PP but if the research (and half of what NIH conducts

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

How does doing basic research on a daily basis equate to blood on people’s hands. Huge leap there.

Not the PP but at least half of what NIH conducts/funds is clinical/applied research. Either ways, if you're willing to look the other way as various groups are being ignored, insulted, and dehumanized (e.g., gender non-binary and trans communities, ethnic minority groups), you do have blood on your hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

How does doing basic research on a daily basis equate to blood on people’s hands. Huge leap there.

Not the PP but at least half of what NIH conducts/funds is clinical/applied research. Either ways, if you're willing to look the other way as various groups are being ignored, insulted, and dehumanized (e.g., gender non-binary and trans communities, ethnic minority groups), you do have blood on your hands.

Hm, let's see a citation for that. Here we're talking about the intramural NIH program, which is what the article was implying as responsible for decisions being made by the Trump administration. Are you saying that half of the research in the intramural NIH program insults and dehumanizes various groups of people? Please show your work. If you need a place to start, here are the programs that comprise NIH: https://irp.nih.gov/
Please do tell us how we have blood on our hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

How does doing basic research on a daily basis equate to blood on people’s hands. Huge leap there.

Not the PP but at least half of what NIH conducts/funds is clinical/applied research. Either ways, if you're willing to look the other way as various groups are being ignored, insulted, and dehumanized (e.g., gender non-binary and trans communities, ethnic minority groups), you do have blood on your hands.

Hm, let's see a citation for that. Here we're talking about the intramural NIH program, which is what the article was implying as responsible for decisions being made by the Trump administration. Are you saying that half of the research in the intramural NIH program insults and dehumanizes various groups of people? Please show your work. If you need a place to start, here are the programs that comprise NIH: https://irp.nih.gov/
Please do tell us how we have blood on our hands.

Citation for what? And which article are you referring to? I'm saying people not standing up against the abhorrent new policies are complicit and have blood on their hands. I'm at the NIH. I've seen the deafening silence from IC leadership and am absolutely disgusted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

How does doing basic research on a daily basis equate to blood on people’s hands. Huge leap there.

Not the PP but at least half of what NIH conducts/funds is clinical/applied research. Either ways, if you're willing to look the other way as various groups are being ignored, insulted, and dehumanized (e.g., gender non-binary and trans communities, ethnic minority groups), you do have blood on your hands.

Hm, let's see a citation for that. Here we're talking about the intramural NIH program, which is what the article was implying as responsible for decisions being made by the Trump administration. Are you saying that half of the research in the intramural NIH program insults and dehumanizes various groups of people? Please show your work. If you need a place to start, here are the programs that comprise NIH: https://irp.nih.gov/
Please do tell us how we have blood on our hands.

Citation for what? And which article are you referring to? I'm saying people not standing up against the abhorrent new policies are complicit and have blood on their hands. I'm at the NIH. I've seen the deafening silence from IC leadership and am absolutely disgusted.

I’d like to see a citation for your statement that half of the IRP’s work insults and dehumanizes various groups of people. Because that’s what you said. You’re asking random people at NIH (like yourself, it seems) to quit, saying that we’re complicit. I don’t know about what you do at NIH, but I’m certainly not anywhere near the rooms where the DOGE idiots and Jay are systematically dismantling NIH. And if as a young investigator I quit, I take a lab full of people down with me, even though I pledged to train and foster their careers. And oh, by the way, it is highly unlikely that I’ll be able to stay in science much less move my lab elsewhere because they’re attacking extramural science too. The same goes for my trainees. Stop using basic scientists as the scapegoats here. Enough. NIH isn’t doing this, the Trump administration is doing this to science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

How does doing basic research on a daily basis equate to blood on people’s hands. Huge leap there.

Not the PP but at least half of what NIH conducts/funds is clinical/applied research. Either ways, if you're willing to look the other way as various groups are being ignored, insulted, and dehumanized (e.g., gender non-binary and trans communities, ethnic minority groups), you do have blood on your hands.

Hm, let's see a citation for that. Here we're talking about the intramural NIH program, which is what the article was implying as responsible for decisions being made by the Trump administration. Are you saying that half of the research in the intramural NIH program insults and dehumanizes various groups of people? Please show your work. If you need a place to start, here are the programs that comprise NIH: https://irp.nih.gov/
Please do tell us how we have blood on our hands.

Citation for what? And which article are you referring to? I'm saying people not standing up against the abhorrent new policies are complicit and have blood on their hands. I'm at the NIH. I've seen the deafening silence from IC leadership and am absolutely disgusted.

I’d like to see a citation for your statement that half of the IRP’s work insults and dehumanizes various groups of people. Because that’s what you said. You’re asking random people at NIH (like yourself, it seems) to quit, saying that we’re complicit. I don’t know about what you do at NIH, but I’m certainly not anywhere near the rooms where the DOGE idiots and Jay are systematically dismantling NIH. And if as a young investigator I quit, I take a lab full of people down with me, even though I pledged to train and foster their careers. And oh, by the way, it is highly unlikely that I’ll be able to stay in science much less move my lab elsewhere because they’re attacking extramural science too. The same goes for my trainees. Stop using basic scientists as the scapegoats here. Enough. NIH isn’t doing this, the Trump administration is doing this to science.

+a zillion (fellow Fed)

[Anonymous]

OP is a moron.

[Anonymous]

PP is a child molester.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP is a child molester.

Says the feeble mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP is a child molester.

Says the feeble mind.

Moron resorts to drive-by idiocy, calls others feeble. News at 11.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you work for NIH and you follow along, then you are complicit.

People need their jobs moron.

Im sure that's what many Germans said too. "I was just following orders!" Do we learn nothing from history? Freedom isn't free. It occasionally requires sacrifices and acts of bravery. If everyone just carries out the Nazis orders, well sorry hun, you're a Nazi helping a Nazi regime. They can't do evil if regular workers won't carry out the orders. Stop waiting for someone else to save us. WE have to save us.

You're talking about Germany, but there's literally a genocide going on in the middle east. If people need to quit their jobs, it's the ones working for military defense companies and companies that support genocide. Not the people in the NIH.

EVERYONE needs to start thinking more deeply about the societal implications of the work they do, and stop letting the wealthy hold a gun to our heads in the form of unemployment and homelessness, believing we have no other choice than to aid them in their endless profit seeking at the expense of literally every else on this planet.

We dont have to help them wage war. We dont have to help them destroy the environment. We dont have to help them enslave people in for profit prisons. We dont have to help them starve people for profit. You have agency, and the blood IS on your hands.

How does doing basic research on a daily basis equate to blood on people’s hands. Huge leap there.

Not the PP but at least half of what NIH conducts/funds is clinical/applied research. Either ways, if you're willing to look the other way as various groups are being ignored, insulted, and dehumanized (e.g., gender non-binary and trans communities, ethnic minority groups), you do have blood on your hands.

Hm, let's see a citation for that. Here we're talking about the intramural NIH program, which is what the article was implying as responsible for decisions being made by the Trump administration. Are you saying that half of the research in the intramural NIH program insults and dehumanizes various groups of people? Please show your work. If you need a place to start, here are the programs that comprise NIH: https://irp.nih.gov/
Please do tell us how we have blood on our hands.

Citation for what? And which article are you referring to? I'm saying people not standing up against the abhorrent new policies are complicit and have blood on their hands. I'm at the NIH. I've seen the deafening silence from IC leadership and am absolutely disgusted.

I’d like to see a citation for your statement that half of the IRP’s work insults and dehumanizes various groups of people. Because that’s what you said. You’re asking random people at NIH (like yourself, it seems) to quit, saying that we’re complicit. I don’t know about what you do at NIH, but I’m certainly not anywhere near the rooms where the DOGE idiots and Jay are systematically dismantling NIH. And if as a young investigator I quit, I take a lab full of people down with me, even though I pledged to train and foster their careers. And oh, by the way, it is highly unlikely that I’ll be able to stay in science much less move my lab elsewhere because they’re attacking extramural science too. The same goes for my trainees. Stop using basic scientists as the scapegoats here. Enough. NIH isn’t doing this, the Trump administration is doing this to science.

I didn't say anything about the IRP; you did. If you haven't changed anything about the way you do your science based on the EOs/new policies, then clearly this discussion doesn't apply to you.

The vast majority (90%?) of the NIH budget is extramural. I don't see many people pushing back or even acknowledging the harm being done, especially those in senior leadership. Staff have generally prioritized their own jobs over scientific integrity and the people served by their IC's mission. The least we can do is admit people have made this choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP is a child molester.

Says the feeble mind.

Moron resorts to drive-by idiocy, calls others feeble. News at 11.

Someone who has no clue what NIH does confidently opines. Has RFK Jr or DJT entered the thread? 😂