should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission

[Anonymous]

I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Or the old Thomas Jefferson HS selection process based predominantly on test scores, class rankings, and GPAs. I’m totally ok if a school wants to use these as their criteria but my child wouldn’t be a good fit there. I appreciate that there are other options out there.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is entitled to a spot in any private school.

Agree. Also everyone is entitled to a fair a transparent process.

What makes everyone entitled to this? Life in general is neither fair nor transparent.

Well in tribes I can understand that. If a country with the rule of law I assume that you have some protections if a school admitted one applicant over another purely based on race (not income or academic performance).

I think that's called Affirmative Action.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you trying to prove OP? Are you salivating to be apart of this list.

https://danielheider.com/blog/the-top-7-most-exclusive-and-expensive-private-schools-in-the-greater-washington-dc-area

this list is laughable. no Maret or BASIS? yeah, that not a serious list

Maret should be on this list instead of Gtown Prep but otherwise the list is accurate. It’s exactly what the majority of the people in the elite private school world think even if they don’t say it out loud.

And BASIS isn’t even adjacent to the conversation much less in it, so no.

Sorry to break it to you but times have changed and Maret doesn't hold an prestige anymore in the highest demand clientele's. I would not put it above Georgetown Prep.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Or the old Thomas Jefferson HS selection process based predominantly on test scores, class rankings, and GPAs. I’m totally ok if a school wants to use these as their criteria but my child wouldn’t be a good fit there. I appreciate that there are other options out there.

My URM DC had straight A's and passed the placement test for a Big3 school, so I'd be damn, if someone said that they got in solely because of DEI or whatever other propaganda people on DCUM always say. Well qualified black/brown folks get rejected too from all of these schools. Sometimes in "favor" of your son/daughter! There are people, I know who got in nowhere and were waitlisted and they have good jobs, smart children, yet for whatever reason no school found them to be a fit.

Jasmine Crockett said put her resume next too Lauren Boebart or Marjorie Taylor Green and decide who are the real DEI hires. Holistic admissions matter, because in our country and community different races, financial circumstances, ethnicities etc co-exist together.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.

You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!

They do explain reasons for rejections but people just don’t want to accept them. Reasons for not accepting your child:

1) we have more qualified applicants than openings, we could not accept everyone

2) your child was not a good fit based on a number of criteria including test scores, grades, teacher’s recommendations, essays, student interviews, extracurriculars, and overall impression of you and your child during your interactions with us.

With hundreds, if not, thousands of applicants, they can’t give detailed specific feedback to every rejected kid. Most parents on here think their kids walk on water and their children clearly exceed all of the above criteria. So when the children aren’t accepted, the parents are in denial and want to find excuses for their children’s rejections.

What you are describing is maybe the application process in another planet not in private schools in dc.

In dc the vast majority of children are not rejected but waitlisted and they tell you that your kid is great but unforntunately there were not enough spots.

But it is never clear the true reason and specially it is never disclosed that race and money place a big role in admissions. I see no reason to make hide the criteria for admissions, unless you want to prioritize money and race over other considerations.

The reason these schools waitlist these kids instead of out right rejections is because the schools are being polite instead of just saying your kids didn’t make the cut.

That’s fine. What’s not so fine is that they are trying to hide the criteria for the selection proxess. If the selection is done in a fair way, then what is the problem with sharing the criteria? Why is there a need to hide it ?

You are not entitled to this information from a private school and they have chosen not to share it. If you don’t like the level of transparency in the admissions process for a given school you should not apply to that school. I really hope you don’t like my children’s’ school’s process because you sound impossible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Then government should abolish the equal opportunity housing laws. If a tenant is rejected because the landlord doesn’t like the way she dresses, then it’s ok to reject the application. It’s ok if you don’t like tge law but is the law for many economic transactions like housing and job applications. What you are unable to explain is why schools are different. There is such a thing as consumer rights in capitalist countries for your information.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Or the old Thomas Jefferson HS selection process based predominantly on test scores, class rankings, and GPAs. I’m totally ok if a school wants to use these as their criteria but my child wouldn’t be a good fit there. I appreciate that there are other options out there.

The main point is not about the criteria but about fully disclosing the criteria to avoid biases and diacrimabtion. Without accountability how can I said that there is no bias in school applications. The fact that you hire DEI consultants doesn’t mean that you are inclusive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is entitled to a spot in any private school.

Agree. Also everyone is entitled to a fair a transparent process.

What makes everyone entitled to this? Life in general is neither fair nor transparent.

Well in tribes I can understand that. If a country with the rule of law I assume that you have some protections if a school admitted one applicant over another purely based on race (not income or academic performance).

I think that's called Affirmative Action.

You like it not is now against the law in university. You may not want to follow the law, so you are more than welcome to move to another country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Or the old Thomas Jefferson HS selection process based predominantly on test scores, class rankings, and GPAs. I’m totally ok if a school wants to use these as their criteria but my child wouldn’t be a good fit there. I appreciate that there are other options out there.

My URM DC had straight A's and passed the placement test for a Big3 school, so I'd be damn, if someone said that they got in solely because of DEI or whatever other propaganda people on DCUM always say. Well qualified black/brown folks get rejected too from all of these schools. Sometimes in "favor" of your son/daughter! There are people, I know who got in nowhere and were waitlisted and they have good jobs, smart children, yet for whatever reason no school found them to be a fit.

Jasmine Crockett said put her resume next too Lauren Boebart or Marjorie Taylor Green and decide who are the real DEI hires. Holistic admissions matter, because in our country and community different races, financial circumstances, ethnicities etc co-exist together.

That’s fine, why the criteria is not fully disclosed ? What do schools need to hide ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.

You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!

They do explain reasons for rejections but people just don’t want to accept them. Reasons for not accepting your child:

1) we have more qualified applicants than openings, we could not accept everyone

2) your child was not a good fit based on a number of criteria including test scores, grades, teacher’s recommendations, essays, student interviews, extracurriculars, and overall impression of you and your child during your interactions with us.

With hundreds, if not, thousands of applicants, they can’t give detailed specific feedback to every rejected kid. Most parents on here think their kids walk on water and their children clearly exceed all of the above criteria. So when the children aren’t accepted, the parents are in denial and want to find excuses for their children’s rejections.

What you are describing is maybe the application process in another planet not in private schools in dc.

In dc the vast majority of children are not rejected but waitlisted and they tell you that your kid is great but unforntunately there were not enough spots.

But it is never clear the true reason and specially it is never disclosed that race and money place a big role in admissions. I see no reason to make hide the criteria for admissions, unless you want to prioritize money and race over other considerations.

The reason these schools waitlist these kids instead of out right rejections is because the schools are being polite instead of just saying your kids didn’t make the cut.

That’s fine. What’s not so fine is that they are trying to hide the criteria for the selection proxess. If the selection is done in a fair way, then what is the problem with sharing the criteria? Why is there a need to hide it ?

You are not entitled to this information from a private school and they have chosen not to share it. If you don’t like the level of transparency in the admissions process for a given school you should not apply to that school. I really hope you don’t like my children’s’ school’s process because you sound impossible.

Sure. When your kids are fired from a job because of their race and their rental application is rejected you should tell them that they should look for another job and another apartment. That sounds fair to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Holistic admission= get family that can be mega donors and some people of color so the school looks good in terms of racial diversity.

I wonder why do school not prioritize academic performance and inclusivity across income levels.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Holistic admission= get family that can be mega donors and some people of color so the school looks good in terms of racial diversity.

I wonder why do school not prioritize academic performance and inclusivity across income levels.

Even people of color who are wealthy can still feel polarized socially in a white, rich environment. Look at country clubs who still for the most part maintain all white membership. Now think about students coming from extreme underprivileged backgrounds. This is in regards to the earlier argument about why there is not enough lower income Hispanic and Asian representation at DC private schools. Okay, so take a mom who works as a cleaner for and a dad who is a construction worker or landscaper. Or a parent who works in an Asian restaurant. Culturally, how will those parents relate to parents who are partners in law firms or go vacation in Italy or ski in Utah? These private school communities are small and they depend on the community to be cohesive so that a family feels connected and that they will continue to make their tuition payments. How is a family who is thinking about basic necessities like putting food on the table, even relating to hanging out having morning coffee with the moms or going to happy hour or attending fundraisers? Also, contrary to popular belief, FA is not 100% parents are still expected to contribute something.

Plus, playdates with friends how are you going to go to your friend's multimillion dollar house and then expect you "friend" to come to a small apartment or house in the wrong part of town. Not to say they won't, but it puts the financial disparity even more on display. It isn't fair to the child who may feel embarrassed or the hard working parents who can only afford so much.

They do give FA to all income levels, but from our experience, it tends to be parents who have good careers, but maybe can't afford the full $50,000+++ tuition. Maybe middle class but stable career folks who are university educated.

I personally think, if a student is extremely bright but from lower economic background, they should do public school until 8th grade and then do high school one of the monied boarding schools in the Northeast, where they would get way better financial aid (aid budgets are bigger) and their parents are far removed from the experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Holistic admission= get family that can be mega donors and some people of color so the school looks good in terms of racial diversity.

I wonder why do school not prioritize academic performance and inclusivity across income levels.

Even people of color who are wealthy can still feel polarized socially in a white, rich environment. Look at country clubs who still for the most part maintain all white membership. Now think about students coming from extreme underprivileged backgrounds. This is in regards to the earlier argument about why there is not enough lower income Hispanic and Asian representation at DC private schools. Okay, so take a mom who works as a cleaner for and a dad who is a construction worker or landscaper. Or a parent who works in an Asian restaurant. Culturally, how will those parents relate to parents who are partners in law firms or go vacation in Italy or ski in Utah? These private school communities are small and they depend on the community to be cohesive so that a family feels connected and that they will continue to make their tuition payments. How is a family who is thinking about basic necessities like putting food on the table, even relating to hanging out having morning coffee with the moms or going to happy hour or attending fundraisers? Also, contrary to popular belief, FA is not 100% parents are still expected to contribute something.

Plus, playdates with friends how are you going to go to your friend's multimillion dollar house and then expect you "friend" to come to a small apartment or house in the wrong part of town. Not to say they won't, but it puts the financial disparity even more on display. It isn't fair to the child who may feel embarrassed or the hard working parents who can only afford so much.

They do give FA to all income levels, but from our experience, it tends to be parents who have good careers, but maybe can't afford the full $50,000+++ tuition. Maybe middle class but stable career folks who are university educated.

I personally think, if a student is extremely bright but from lower economic background, they should do public school until 8th grade and then do high school one of the monied boarding schools in the Northeast, where they would get way better financial aid (aid budgets are bigger) and their parents are far removed from the experience.

I am glad that that Jeff bezos or Barack Obama family didn’t meet people like you. They would have had the impression that being lower middle class is a situation you cannot change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand holistic admissions and its benefits for building a balanced community. I think want a school where people get admitted off of only strict quantitative instead of qualitative measures. That’s fine. You’re free to start a school for find one that suits your preferences. To demand private schools do x,y,z kind of reminds me of the communist style school system my family purposely moved to get away from.

Holistic admission= get family that can be mega donors and some people of color so the school looks good in terms of racial diversity.

I wonder why do school not prioritize academic performance and inclusivity across income levels.

Even people of color who are wealthy can still feel polarized socially in a white, rich environment. Look at country clubs who still for the most part maintain all white membership. Now think about students coming from extreme underprivileged backgrounds. This is in regards to the earlier argument about why there is not enough lower income Hispanic and Asian representation at DC private schools. Okay, so take a mom who works as a cleaner for and a dad who is a construction worker or landscaper. Or a parent who works in an Asian restaurant. Culturally, how will those parents relate to parents who are partners in law firms or go vacation in Italy or ski in Utah? These private school communities are small and they depend on the community to be cohesive so that a family feels connected and that they will continue to make their tuition payments. How is a family who is thinking about basic necessities like putting food on the table, even relating to hanging out having morning coffee with the moms or going to happy hour or attending fundraisers? Also, contrary to popular belief, FA is not 100% parents are still expected to contribute something.

Plus, playdates with friends how are you going to go to your friend's multimillion dollar house and then expect you "friend" to come to a small apartment or house in the wrong part of town. Not to say they won't, but it puts the financial disparity even more on display. It isn't fair to the child who may feel embarrassed or the hard working parents who can only afford so much.

They do give FA to all income levels, but from our experience, it tends to be parents who have good careers, but maybe can't afford the full $50,000+++ tuition. Maybe middle class but stable career folks who are university educated.

I personally think, if a student is extremely bright but from lower economic background, they should do public school until 8th grade and then do high school one of the monied boarding schools in the Northeast, where they would get way better financial aid (aid budgets are bigger) and their parents are far removed from the experience.

I am glad that that Jeff bezos or Barack Obama family didn’t meet people like you. They would have had the impression that being lower middle class is a situation you cannot change.

Obviously, you completely missed the point. Jeff Bezos went to public school and Barack Obama’s grandparents paid for his private high school education. No where was there mention of people from lower economic statuses not being able to change their circumstances, quite the opposite.