should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission

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Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.

You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!

Who are you to say what’s “fair” with a private school? Maybe they had too many teacher’s kids and younger siblings this year to admit your kid. Maybe they already more girls than boys and wanted to even out the class. Maybe they had already spent their FA budget. Maybe there was one spot left with five highly rated kids and they picked almost randomly.

If they provided any of these explanations it probably wouldn’t help you much, just move on.

Sure. Next you see someone that is fired because is gay or African American and the employer doesn’t like them, you should tell them to move on.

Not sure exactly why is so difficult to have an objective criteria for admissions and make it public, and if not admitted spell out the reasons for rejecting a child.

This is done in most basic application process. Again why schools are different in terms of transparency? Are elite schools untouchable ?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.

You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!

They do explain reasons for rejections but people just don’t want to accept them. Reasons for not accepting your child:

1) we have more qualified applicants than openings, we could not accept everyone

2) your child was not a good fit based on a number of criteria including test scores, grades, teacher’s recommendations, essays, student interviews, extracurriculars, and overall impression of you and your child during your interactions with us.

With hundreds, if not, thousands of applicants, they can’t give detailed specific feedback to every rejected kid. Most parents on here think their kids walk on water and their children clearly exceed all of the above criteria. So when the children aren’t accepted, the parents are in denial and want to find excuses for their children’s rejections.

[Anonymous]

No one is entitled to a spot in any private school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.

You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!

They do explain reasons for rejections but people just don’t want to accept them. Reasons for not accepting your child:

1) we have more qualified applicants than openings, we could not accept everyone

2) your child was not a good fit based on a number of criteria including test scores, grades, teacher’s recommendations, essays, student interviews, extracurriculars, and overall impression of you and your child during your interactions with us.

With hundreds, if not, thousands of applicants, they can’t give detailed specific feedback to every rejected kid. Most parents on here think their kids walk on water and their children clearly exceed all of the above criteria. So when the children aren’t accepted, the parents are in denial and want to find excuses for their children’s rejections.

What you are describing is maybe the application process in another planet not in private schools in dc.

In dc the vast majority of children are not rejected but waitlisted and they tell you that your kid is great but unforntunately there were not enough spots.

But it is never clear the true reason and specially it is never disclosed that race and money place a big role in admissions. I see no reason to make hide the criteria for admissions, unless you want to prioritize money and race over other considerations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is entitled to a spot in any private school.

Agree. Also everyone is entitled to a fair a transparent process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.

You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!

They do explain reasons for rejections but people just don’t want to accept them. Reasons for not accepting your child:

1) we have more qualified applicants than openings, we could not accept everyone

2) your child was not a good fit based on a number of criteria including test scores, grades, teacher’s recommendations, essays, student interviews, extracurriculars, and overall impression of you and your child during your interactions with us.

With hundreds, if not, thousands of applicants, they can’t give detailed specific feedback to every rejected kid. Most parents on here think their kids walk on water and their children clearly exceed all of the above criteria. So when the children aren’t accepted, the parents are in denial and want to find excuses for their children’s rejections.

What you are describing is maybe the application process in another planet not in private schools in dc.

In dc the vast majority of children are not rejected but waitlisted and they tell you that your kid is great but unforntunately there were not enough spots.

But it is never clear the true reason and specially it is never disclosed that race and money place a big role in admissions. I see no reason to make hide the criteria for admissions, unless you want to prioritize money and race over other considerations.

The reason these schools waitlist these kids instead of out right rejections is because the schools are being polite instead of just saying your kids didn’t make the cut.

[Anonymous]

I'm shocked, shocked, to find that gambling is going on in here!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is entitled to a spot in any private school.

Agree. Also everyone is entitled to a fair a transparent process.

What makes everyone entitled to this? Life in general is neither fair nor transparent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

Not on the basis of race no. But two test and grade equal kids, and one is a rude little jerk with entitled parents and one is a nice kid? Heck yeah I’d prefer the nice polite community minded kid even if their scores were lower. You start your own test-only based school if you don’t like it.

[Anonymous]

Did your kid get rejected OP? Consider it may be because you came off as a parent who believes their child is entitled to a spot. Are you the same kind of parent who complaining when their kid doesn’t win the music competition or land the lead of the school play because clearly there was bias and they want answers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.

You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!

They do explain reasons for rejections but people just don’t want to accept them. Reasons for not accepting your child:

1) we have more qualified applicants than openings, we could not accept everyone

2) your child was not a good fit based on a number of criteria including test scores, grades, teacher’s recommendations, essays, student interviews, extracurriculars, and overall impression of you and your child during your interactions with us.

With hundreds, if not, thousands of applicants, they can’t give detailed specific feedback to every rejected kid. Most parents on here think their kids walk on water and their children clearly exceed all of the above criteria. So when the children aren’t accepted, the parents are in denial and want to find excuses for their children’s rejections.

Yes! This!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.

You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!

They do explain reasons for rejections but people just don’t want to accept them. Reasons for not accepting your child:

1) we have more qualified applicants than openings, we could not accept everyone

2) your child was not a good fit based on a number of criteria including test scores, grades, teacher’s recommendations, essays, student interviews, extracurriculars, and overall impression of you and your child during your interactions with us.

With hundreds, if not, thousands of applicants, they can’t give detailed specific feedback to every rejected kid. Most parents on here think their kids walk on water and their children clearly exceed all of the above criteria. So when the children aren’t accepted, the parents are in denial and want to find excuses for their children’s rejections.

What you are describing is maybe the application process in another planet not in private schools in dc.

In dc the vast majority of children are not rejected but waitlisted and they tell you that your kid is great but unforntunately there were not enough spots.

But it is never clear the true reason and specially it is never disclosed that race and money place a big role in admissions. I see no reason to make hide the criteria for admissions, unless you want to prioritize money and race over other considerations.

The reason these schools waitlist these kids instead of out right rejections is because the schools are being polite instead of just saying your kids didn’t make the cut.

That’s fine. What’s not so fine is that they are trying to hide the criteria for the selection proxess. If the selection is done in a fair way, then what is the problem with sharing the criteria? Why is there a need to hide it ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is entitled to a spot in any private school.

Agree. Also everyone is entitled to a fair a transparent process.

What makes everyone entitled to this? Life in general is neither fair nor transparent.

Well in tribes I can understand that. If a country with the rule of law I assume that you have some protections if a school admitted one applicant over another purely based on race (not income or academic performance).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did your kid get rejected OP? Consider it may be because you came off as a parent who believes their child is entitled to a spot. Are you the same kind of parent who complaining when their kid doesn’t win the music competition or land the lead of the school play because clearly there was bias and they want answers!

I am a kid of person that believes in fair process. If a person is fired because the employer doesn’t like Hispanics of Asians I think that’s wrong.

In the same way, a school admission in college or k-12 based on race it’s equally incorrect.

I am not sure why the possibility discrimination suddenly disappears in k-12 schools but still is relevant for colleges or job applications. I think people in this thread experienced a lobotomy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.

The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.

So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.

Not on the basis of race no. But two test and grade equal kids, and one is a rude little jerk with entitled parents and one is a nice kid? Heck yeah I’d prefer the nice polite community minded kid even if their scores were lower. You start your own test-only based school if you don’t like it.

Agree with you. Why do schools don’t share that information in the admission process. Because this is not how private schools operate. So again, if you hide something must be for good reasons for the school.