I hate youth and high school sports

[Anonymous]

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DP - Where are these serious HS baseball players who don’t devote an ungodly amount of time to baseball in the off season? Which HS are you at?

You don't need to dedicate massive amounts of time to baseball. Not even pros practice year around.

The truth about baseball and other sports is that your genetics and god given traits determine how good you're going to be. Life would be much better for kids and parents if everyone just accepted that you can't work your way to being a D1 Athlete. Rudy was a Disney movie and not real life.

This is a silly comment. Corona HS in CA is the #1 baseball team in the country and they have two kids that will be drafted in the 1st and 2nd round of the MLB. The other starting 7 are all D1.

Those kids work their asses off and play for the BPA travel team in the offseason.

What kids in any sport aren’t “working” and playing for a Power 4 D1?

BTW, Trevor Bauer who is also an MLB pitcher admitted he is a terrible athlete. He did a general workout for an MLB team and the person running the workout said his general athletic stats (running speed, vertical leap, etc) were about what a 50 year old rec player would produce.

Read my post again. Pros don't practice year around. Why does anyone think a 15 year old kid needs to practice more than a pro ball player?

The rest of your post if just nonsense. Stop drinking the travel ball kool-aid. You want to hear the hard truth? The two draft picks will probably never see any playing time in a MLB game and will never make a pro roster. The other 7 "D1" recruits? Statistically, 6 out 7 of them are unlikely to get college playing time. They may make a D1 roster but will never see the field and will transfer to a JUCO and/or quit baseball. Playing baseball against 15-18 year old kids is wildly different than playing against college students who are fully grown men. The average D1 college player is probably 70 lbs heavier and way faster than the average high school Varsity player.

[Anonymous]

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DP - Where are these serious HS baseball players who don’t devote an ungodly amount of time to baseball in the off season? Which HS are you at?

You don't need to dedicate massive amounts of time to baseball. Not even pros practice year around.

The truth about baseball and other sports is that your genetics and god given traits determine how good you're going to be. Life would be much better for kids and parents if everyone just accepted that you can't work your way to being a D1 Athlete. Rudy was a Disney movie and not real life.

This is a silly comment. Corona HS in CA is the #1 baseball team in the country and they have two kids that will be drafted in the 1st and 2nd round of the MLB. The other starting 7 are all D1.

Those kids work their asses off and play for the BPA travel team in the offseason.

What kids in any sport aren’t “working” and playing for a Power 4 D1?

BTW, Trevor Bauer who is also an MLB pitcher admitted he is a terrible athlete. He did a general workout for an MLB team and the person running the workout said his general athletic stats (running speed, vertical leap, etc) were about what a 50 year old rec player would produce.

Read my post again. Pros don't practice year around. Why does anyone think a 15 year old kid needs to practice more than a pro ball player?

The rest of your post if just nonsense. Stop drinking the travel ball kool-aid. You want to hear the hard truth? The two draft picks will probably never see any playing time in a MLB game and will never make a pro roster. The other 7 "D1" recruits? Statistically, 6 out 7 of them are unlikely to get college playing time. They may make a D1 roster but will never see the field and will transfer to a JUCO and/or quit baseball. Playing baseball against 15-18 year old kids is wildly different than playing against college students who are fully grown men. The average D1 college player is probably 70 lbs heavier and way faster than the average high school Varsity player.

Why do you even try to comment? 60% of all first-round MLB draft picks get called up. 48% of all 2nd round draft picks get called up.

One of these kids is one of the top 30 baseball players in the world according to the MLB. The kid will receive anywhere from a $4MM to $10MM signing bonus depending on exactly where he is drafted.

The Corona HS team isn't filled with average HS players...it is filled with kids that again are better than nearly every college player (hence why they are getting drafted to the pros in the first and second rounds direct from HS) and are expected to be starters as Freshmen, or at worst sophomores.

Your "hard truths" are completely pulled out of your ass. Again, why are you bothering to comment?

[Anonymous]

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DP - Where are these serious HS baseball players who don’t devote an ungodly amount of time to baseball in the off season? Which HS are you at?

You don't need to dedicate massive amounts of time to baseball. Not even pros practice year around.

The truth about baseball and other sports is that your genetics and god given traits determine how good you're going to be. Life would be much better for kids and parents if everyone just accepted that you can't work your way to being a D1 Athlete. Rudy was a Disney movie and not real life.

This is a silly comment. Corona HS in CA is the #1 baseball team in the country and they have two kids that will be drafted in the 1st and 2nd round of the MLB. The other starting 7 are all D1.

Those kids work their asses off and play for the BPA travel team in the offseason.

What kids in any sport aren’t “working” and playing for a Power 4 D1?

BTW, Trevor Bauer who is also an MLB pitcher admitted he is a terrible athlete. He did a general workout for an MLB team and the person running the workout said his general athletic stats (running speed, vertical leap, etc) were about what a 50 year old rec player would produce.

Read my post again. Pros don't practice year around. Why does anyone think a 15 year old kid needs to practice more than a pro ball player?

The rest of your post if just nonsense. Stop drinking the travel ball kool-aid. You want to hear the hard truth? The two draft picks will probably never see any playing time in a MLB game and will never make a pro roster. The other 7 "D1" recruits? Statistically, 6 out 7 of them are unlikely to get college playing time. They may make a D1 roster but will never see the field and will transfer to a JUCO and/or quit baseball. Playing baseball against 15-18 year old kids is wildly different than playing against college students who are fully grown men. The average D1 college player is probably 70 lbs heavier and way faster than the average high school Varsity player.

First, the MLB season including spring training is at a minimum 8 months long...and for playoff teams 9 months long. So, the professional season is nearly year-round to start.

Outside of that, pros are absolutely training for 80% of their 3 or 4-month offseason. I don't know what you mean by "practice", but they hire personal coaches for strength/conditioning and working on pitching/hitting, etc. There are actually pro players training at some of the local facilities in the DMV like R&D Baseball out in Sterling as we speak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

DP - Where are these serious HS baseball players who don’t devote an ungodly amount of time to baseball in the off season? Which HS are you at?

You don't need to dedicate massive amounts of time to baseball. Not even pros practice year around.

The truth about baseball and other sports is that your genetics and god given traits determine how good you're going to be. Life would be much better for kids and parents if everyone just accepted that you can't work your way to being a D1 Athlete. Rudy was a Disney movie and not real life.

This is a silly comment. Corona HS in CA is the #1 baseball team in the country and they have two kids that will be drafted in the 1st and 2nd round of the MLB. The other starting 7 are all D1.

Those kids work their asses off and play for the BPA travel team in the offseason.

What kids in any sport aren’t “working” and playing for a Power 4 D1?

BTW, Trevor Bauer who is also an MLB pitcher admitted he is a terrible athlete. He did a general workout for an MLB team and the person running the workout said his general athletic stats (running speed, vertical leap, etc) were about what a 50 year old rec player would produce.

I don’t know anything about Corona HS in CA, but is it your contention that they have such a phenomenal program in which the kids work so hard that the starting nine got so good due to said program and work ethic? In other words, were little Billy, Timmy, and crew just born to parents who happened to live in that HS zone and their coaches whipped them into D1 shape?

Or do parents of exceptional players decide at some point to move to the neighborhood? Does the high school do any (God forbid) recruiting?

It's a combination...they have been the #1 HS team for like 5 of the last 10 years, so of course success attracts success. It is also unique in that it's a public school, since Harvard Westlake as an example, is also a top 5 program and they explicitly recruit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole system is ridiculous, and what is more ridiculous is that people support this broken system. You have to play for years just to make it into a high school JV team, and once you make it, you have to spend 20+ hours per week training. It takes time away from academics and other extracurricular.

And all of this time and money invested into sports is for nothing for most parents. Most kids will never play at the NCAA level. It doesn’t matter much for college admissions. I know a kid who has perfect grades and a 35 ACT who was a captain of the varsity football and lacrosse teams (and was class treasurer, NHS president, volunteered, and did part time work), and he got rejected from every remotely selective college. The Ivy Leagues, Notre Dame, Michigan, Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, UNC, and UVA all rejected him

Sorry OP, but if you hate it you are doing it wrong. Both of my kids played some sports from youth until high school, sometimes travel, mostly recreational. Quit and re-started different sports, loved some, didn't love others. Now, as young adults, both kids still play their most common sport (one D3 -zero admissions boost) and the other in an adult recreation league. Both love sports and regularly exercise, one loves to play and the other plays and also watches sports on TV. Both happy and well adjusted, both playing for fun. Of all the parenting successes and fails (and I definitely have both) this is a success for sure.

[Anonymous]

FYI, here are the expected Corona MLB picks and where they will be drafted in July:

7. Marlins: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 5)
Hernandez is interesting as a right fielder with well-above-average raw power and arm strength -- and more interesting as a projectable righty who can reach 98 mph with his fastball and spin a wipeout curveball.

14. Rays: Billy Carlson, SS/RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 12)
Though Carlson flashes a mid-90s fastball and a plus curveball, he's more attractive as a shortstop who could wind up with five solid-or-better tools.

20. Brewers: Brady Ebel, SS, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 25)
The son of Dodgers third-base coach Dino has enviable bat-to-ball skills and an incredibly accurate arm. This would give Corona three first-rounders in the same first round, something no high school has ever accomplished.

Can you imagine showing up to tryout for a HS baseball team and learn that 3 of the players are 1st round MLB draft picks?

Of course, nobody shows up at Corona HS and doesn't know about their baseball team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI, here are the expected Corona MLB picks and where they will be drafted in July:

7. Marlins: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 5)
Hernandez is interesting as a right fielder with well-above-average raw power and arm strength -- and more interesting as a projectable righty who can reach 98 mph with his fastball and spin a wipeout curveball.

14. Rays: Billy Carlson, SS/RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 12)
Though Carlson flashes a mid-90s fastball and a plus curveball, he's more attractive as a shortstop who could wind up with five solid-or-better tools.

20. Brewers: Brady Ebel, SS, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 25)
The son of Dodgers third-base coach Dino has enviable bat-to-ball skills and an incredibly accurate arm. This would give Corona three first-rounders in the same first round, something no high school has ever accomplished.

Can you imagine showing up to tryout for a HS baseball team and learn that 3 of the players are 1st round MLB draft picks?

Of course, nobody shows up at Corona HS and doesn't know about their baseball team.

Sorry, I get that you’re obsessed with this high school, but I have completely lost track of what point it is you’re making?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI, here are the expected Corona MLB picks and where they will be drafted in July:

7. Marlins: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 5)
Hernandez is interesting as a right fielder with well-above-average raw power and arm strength -- and more interesting as a projectable righty who can reach 98 mph with his fastball and spin a wipeout curveball.

14. Rays: Billy Carlson, SS/RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 12)
Though Carlson flashes a mid-90s fastball and a plus curveball, he's more attractive as a shortstop who could wind up with five solid-or-better tools.

20. Brewers: Brady Ebel, SS, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 25)
The son of Dodgers third-base coach Dino has enviable bat-to-ball skills and an incredibly accurate arm. This would give Corona three first-rounders in the same first round, something no high school has ever accomplished.

Can you imagine showing up to tryout for a HS baseball team and learn that 3 of the players are 1st round MLB draft picks?

Of course, nobody shows up at Corona HS and doesn't know about their baseball team.

Aren't you just proving the other poster's point? 99.99% of high school baseball players will never have the tools that these guys have.

Seth Hernandez - 6'4 and throws 95 MPH plus

Billy Carlson - 6'1 and throws 95 MPH Plus

Brady Ebel - 6'3 and throws 95 MPH plus. And not too mention, his dad is a coach for the freaking LA Dodgers. lol

Being 6'1 + and throwing 95 is basically winning the genetic lottery. You can't learn to throw 95 the same way you can't learn to shoot like Steph Curry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FYI, here are the expected Corona MLB picks and where they will be drafted in July:

7. Marlins: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 5)
Hernandez is interesting as a right fielder with well-above-average raw power and arm strength -- and more interesting as a projectable righty who can reach 98 mph with his fastball and spin a wipeout curveball.

14. Rays: Billy Carlson, SS/RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 12)
Though Carlson flashes a mid-90s fastball and a plus curveball, he's more attractive as a shortstop who could wind up with five solid-or-better tools.

20. Brewers: Brady Ebel, SS, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 25)
The son of Dodgers third-base coach Dino has enviable bat-to-ball skills and an incredibly accurate arm. This would give Corona three first-rounders in the same first round, something no high school has ever accomplished.

Can you imagine showing up to tryout for a HS baseball team and learn that 3 of the players are 1st round MLB draft picks?

Of course, nobody shows up at Corona HS and doesn't know about their baseball team.

Aren't you just proving the other poster's point? 99.99% of high school baseball players will never have the tools that these guys have.

Seth Hernandez - 6'4 and throws 95 MPH plus

Billy Carlson - 6'1 and throws 95 MPH Plus

Brady Ebel - 6'3 and throws 95 MPH plus. And not too mention, his dad is a coach for the freaking LA Dodgers. lol

Being 6'1 + and throwing 95 is basically winning the genetic lottery. You can't learn to throw 95 the same way you can't learn to shoot like Steph Curry.

You absolutely can build yourself through training and mechanics to leap from say 88 to 95. People who work hard (especially building weight through strength and working with knowledgeable coaches) make that jump all the time.

Steph Curry wasn't Steph Curry in HS or even college, hence why he played at Davidson. Not exactly a D1 powerhouse. Go look at the thousands of hours he spent honing his skills.

All three of the above play on National travel teams and are putting in enormous amounts of training. They didn't just show up one day and throw 95.

[Anonymous]

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You absolutely can build yourself through training and mechanics to leap from say 88 to 95. People who work hard (especially building weight through strength and working with knowledgeable coaches) make that jump all the time.

Steph Curry wasn't Steph Curry in HS or even college, hence why he played at Davidson. Not exactly a D1 powerhouse. Go look at the thousands of hours he spent honing his skills.

All three of the above play on National travel teams and are putting in enormous amounts of training. They didn't just show up one day and throw 95.

Lmfao. This is such a delusional take.

You can't just work hard to get to throwing 95. Otherwise everyone would just work hard and throw 95. Its the same way you can't just work hard to running a sub 10 sec 100m dash or 4 min mile. You have to have the genetic gift to get to the elite level. Do you really believe these kids just worked harder than the guy next to them?

[Anonymous]

I agree with many of the gripes posted, and I also want to add a MAJOR gripe about HS leagues and travel sports leagues scheduling games and tournaments on things like Easter weekend or during spring break. These kids are grinding out work all year long, and they can't go away for a week with their family or visit cousins/grandparents during their spring break? I was absolutely SHOCKED to find out that this is the norm, nd the coaches will get pissed if your kid says "sorry, my family and I are going away for spring break...."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FYI, here are the expected Corona MLB picks and where they will be drafted in July:

7. Marlins: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 5)
Hernandez is interesting as a right fielder with well-above-average raw power and arm strength -- and more interesting as a projectable righty who can reach 98 mph with his fastball and spin a wipeout curveball.

14. Rays: Billy Carlson, SS/RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 12)
Though Carlson flashes a mid-90s fastball and a plus curveball, he's more attractive as a shortstop who could wind up with five solid-or-better tools.

20. Brewers: Brady Ebel, SS, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 25)
The son of Dodgers third-base coach Dino has enviable bat-to-ball skills and an incredibly accurate arm. This would give Corona three first-rounders in the same first round, something no high school has ever accomplished.

Can you imagine showing up to tryout for a HS baseball team and learn that 3 of the players are 1st round MLB draft picks?

Of course, nobody shows up at Corona HS and doesn't know about their baseball team.

Aren't you just proving the other poster's point? 99.99% of high school baseball players will never have the tools that these guys have.

Seth Hernandez - 6'4 and throws 95 MPH plus

Billy Carlson - 6'1 and throws 95 MPH Plus

Brady Ebel - 6'3 and throws 95 MPH plus. And not too mention, his dad is a coach for the freaking LA Dodgers. lol

Being 6'1 + and throwing 95 is basically winning the genetic lottery. You can't learn to throw 95 the same way you can't learn to shoot like Steph Curry.

You literally gave one of the best examples of somebody who basically willed themselves into the NBA and did not win the genetic lottery.

Steph Curry is 6'2". Only 27 NBA players out of 450 total players are 6'2" or smaller. Go watch a local DMV HS game with PVI, Gonzaga, Sidwell...90% of the starting five for those teams is over 6'2".

A little note on his practice routine:

Stephen Curry, a Golden State Warriors player, practices shooting hundreds of shots every day. In the season, he typically takes around 300 shots after each practice. During the offseason, he increases his practice to over 500 shots per day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You absolutely can build yourself through training and mechanics to leap from say 88 to 95. People who work hard (especially building weight through strength and working with knowledgeable coaches) make that jump all the time.

Steph Curry wasn't Steph Curry in HS or even college, hence why he played at Davidson. Not exactly a D1 powerhouse. Go look at the thousands of hours he spent honing his skills.

All three of the above play on National travel teams and are putting in enormous amounts of training. They didn't just show up one day and throw 95.

Lmfao. This is such a delusional take.

You can't just work hard to get to throwing 95. Otherwise everyone would just work hard and throw 95. Its the same way you can't just work hard to running a sub 10 sec 100m dash or 4 min mile. You have to have the genetic gift to get to the elite level. Do you really believe these kids just worked harder than the guy next to them?

You have to win the genetic lottery to throw in the mid/high-80s...which thousands of kids win. You can absolutely work hard to go from the high 80s to 95. Happens all the time with kids that bulk up and work with great coaches that know how to change mechanics and condition/strengthen a player.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FYI, here are the expected Corona MLB picks and where they will be drafted in July:

7. Marlins: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 5)
Hernandez is interesting as a right fielder with well-above-average raw power and arm strength -- and more interesting as a projectable righty who can reach 98 mph with his fastball and spin a wipeout curveball.

14. Rays: Billy Carlson, SS/RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 12)
Though Carlson flashes a mid-90s fastball and a plus curveball, he's more attractive as a shortstop who could wind up with five solid-or-better tools.

20. Brewers: Brady Ebel, SS, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 25)
The son of Dodgers third-base coach Dino has enviable bat-to-ball skills and an incredibly accurate arm. This would give Corona three first-rounders in the same first round, something no high school has ever accomplished.

Can you imagine showing up to tryout for a HS baseball team and learn that 3 of the players are 1st round MLB draft picks?

Of course, nobody shows up at Corona HS and doesn't know about their baseball team.

Aren't you just proving the other poster's point? 99.99% of high school baseball players will never have the tools that these guys have.

Seth Hernandez - 6'4 and throws 95 MPH plus

Billy Carlson - 6'1 and throws 95 MPH Plus

Brady Ebel - 6'3 and throws 95 MPH plus. And not too mention, his dad is a coach for the freaking LA Dodgers. lol

Being 6'1 + and throwing 95 is basically winning the genetic lottery. You can't learn to throw 95 the same way you can't learn to shoot like Steph Curry.

You literally gave one of the best examples of somebody who basically willed themselves into the NBA and did not win the genetic lottery.

Steph Curry is 6'2". Only 27 NBA players out of 450 total players are 6'2" or smaller. Go watch a local DMV HS game with PVI, Gonzaga, Sidwell...90% of the starting five for those teams is over 6'2".

A little note on his practice routine:

Stephen Curry, a Golden State Warriors player, practices shooting hundreds of shots every day. In the season, he typically takes around 300 shots after each practice. During the offseason, he increases his practice to over 500 shots per day.

Ummm… you know his father played in the NBA for awhile, don’t you? Like 15 years…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You absolutely can build yourself through training and mechanics to leap from say 88 to 95. People who work hard (especially building weight through strength and working with knowledgeable coaches) make that jump all the time.

Steph Curry wasn't Steph Curry in HS or even college, hence why he played at Davidson. Not exactly a D1 powerhouse. Go look at the thousands of hours he spent honing his skills.

All three of the above play on National travel teams and are putting in enormous amounts of training. They didn't just show up one day and throw 95.

Lmfao. This is such a delusional take.

You can't just work hard to get to throwing 95. Otherwise everyone would just work hard and throw 95. Its the same way you can't just work hard to running a sub 10 sec 100m dash or 4 min mile. You have to have the genetic gift to get to the elite level. Do you really believe these kids just worked harder than the guy next to them?

You have to win the genetic lottery to throw in the mid/high-80s...which thousands of kids win. You can absolutely work hard to go from the high 80s to 95. Happens all the time with kids that bulk up and work with great coaches that know how to change mechanics and condition/strengthen a player.

You know what is statistically more likely to happen to those kids whose Dad’s insist if they just work harder they can throw 95?

Tommy john surgery before they’re 20.