When you say t50...

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

Facts. For example I think BC is a better school than a lot of the massive publics currently ranked above it. And Rutgers is a solid state flagship. But Top 50? Please.

You think BC is better than Cal or UCLA or Michigan? At the end of the day if a school is not currently ranked in the top 50, then it is not a top 50 ranked school. It's pretty simple.

DP. BC's current rank is 37. The PP didn't specify Cal/UCLA/UMich. However, there are a number of other publics ranked above BC: UVA, UNC, UFlorida, UT Austin, UCI, UCD, UIUC.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter because if you fall outside of the Ivies and non-Ivy top 10, you're the loser when playing the eliteness game.

Exactly. Although I would say T12-T15, with schools like UChicago, Duke, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, ND, Hopkins added to the Ivies.

I like the tier ideas. Does anyone really see that major of a difference in terms of "prestige" between WashU and Emory? Or BU and NEU? BC and Tufts? GWU and American? Miami and Wake? Tulane and SMU? USC and UCLA, etc.

None of what you said is consistent. How is Notre Dame and Georgetown different than Emory and WashU? Nortre Dame and Georgetown are the weakest T25 schools actually they have the lowest global ranking of 378 and 310 respectively compared to 67 and 30.

Global rankings are nonsense in the realmworld

Less nonsense than national rankings? Georgetown and Notre Dame are only respected in the American context. The others have international cashe. They all have the same reputation scores for the undergrad ranking as well.

This is the most important factor by far unless you plan to immigrate to other countries.

+1. I suspect that parents who were immigrants to the US might care more about world rankings. Most people in the US care about US rankings.

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It's time to rank private schools separately from publics

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/top-private-universities/

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

Facts. For example I think BC is a better school than a lot of the massive publics currently ranked above it. And Rutgers is a solid state flagship. But Top 50? Please.

You think BC is better than Cal or UCLA or Michigan? At the end of the day if a school is not currently ranked in the top 50, then it is not a top 50 ranked school. It's pretty simple.

DP. BC's current rank is 37. The PP didn't specify Cal/UCLA/UMich. However, there are a number of other publics ranked above BC: UVA, UNC, UFlorida, UT Austin, UCI, UCD, UIUC.

According to the rankings, these schools are ranked higher than BC, which indicates they are considered better. While someone might prefer BC or wish it were ranked higher than those public schools, the rankings do not reflect that.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

Facts. For example I think BC is a better school than a lot of the massive publics currently ranked above it. And Rutgers is a solid state flagship. But Top 50? Please.

You think BC is better than Cal or UCLA or Michigan? At the end of the day if a school is not currently ranked in the top 50, then it is not a top 50 ranked school. It's pretty simple.

Exactly.

Schools like Boston College and Boston University have been perennial T50 schools before AND after the social mobility changes some people gripe about. Some privates can't adapt and got dinged ( see Tulane and Wake Forest). The privates that can adapt / have adapted to the new USNWR ranking landscape will remain T50.

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Anonymous wrote:It's time to rank private schools separately from publics

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/top-private-universities/

Didn't you just do this by checking the private box? Congrats, now you have ranking with just private schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

Facts. For example I think BC is a better school than a lot of the massive publics currently ranked above it. And Rutgers is a solid state flagship. But Top 50? Please.

You think BC is better than Cal or UCLA or Michigan? At the end of the day if a school is not currently ranked in the top 50, then it is not a top 50 ranked school. It's pretty simple.

Exactly.

Schools like Boston College and Boston University have been perennial T50 schools before AND after the social mobility changes some people gripe about. Some privates can't adapt and got dinged ( see Tulane and Wake Forest). The privates that can adapt / have adapted to the new USNWR ranking landscape will remain T50.

I look at schools like Case Western or RPI, which have dropped in the U.S. News rankings and performed poorly in other rankings like WSJ, and I wonder what they might be doing wrong and why their administrations seem unable to adapt. I see it this way: if a school was once ranked in the top 50 and cannot maintain that standing, it suggests that the administration is underperforming and may be failing in other, less visible areas as well. You think with all of the brain power at Tulane and Wake Forest they would be able to figure it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

Facts. For example I think BC is a better school than a lot of the massive publics currently ranked above it. And Rutgers is a solid state flagship. But Top 50? Please.

You think BC is better than Cal or UCLA or Michigan? At the end of the day if a school is not currently ranked in the top 50, then it is not a top 50 ranked school. It's pretty simple.

DP. BC's current rank is 37. The PP didn't specify Cal/UCLA/UMich. However, there are a number of other publics ranked above BC: UVA, UNC, UFlorida, UT Austin, UCI, UCD, UIUC.

According to the rankings, these schools are ranked higher than BC, which indicates they are considered better. While someone might prefer BC or wish it were ranked higher than those public schools, the rankings do not reflect that.

What makes a school "better" overall - in this case, publics moving up due to change in Pell weights - does not make a school produce a better graduate and which schools are "better" did not suddenly change just because the ranking changed.

The rankings reflect what US News wants them to reflect.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

Facts. For example I think BC is a better school than a lot of the massive publics currently ranked above it. And Rutgers is a solid state flagship. But Top 50? Please.

You think BC is better than Cal or UCLA or Michigan? At the end of the day if a school is not currently ranked in the top 50, then it is not a top 50 ranked school. It's pretty simple.

DP. BC's current rank is 37. The PP didn't specify Cal/UCLA/UMich. However, there are a number of other publics ranked above BC: UVA, UNC, UFlorida, UT Austin, UCI, UCD, UIUC.

According to the rankings, these schools are ranked higher than BC, which indicates they are considered better. While someone might prefer BC or wish it were ranked higher than those public schools, the rankings do not reflect that.

What makes a school "better" overall - in this case, publics moving up due to change in Pell weights - does not make a school produce a better graduate and which schools are "better" did not suddenly change just because the ranking changed.

The rankings reflect what US News wants them to reflect.

Agreed - but the rankings also reflected what US News wanted them to reflect in any given year. What makes 2018 better than 2025? Neither is better in my book, they just reflect different priorities. Adapt or die. The world is a change place.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

You mean schools like Princeton, MIT, CalTech, Yale...schools under 8,000 students...that are still ranked in the Top 5, just like they were back in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

You mean schools like Princeton, MIT, CalTech, Yale...schools under 8,000 students...that are still ranked in the Top 5, just like they were back in 2020?

It seems elite is just elite no matter the methodology.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

Most people don't know who is in USNWR's Top 50 and would probably disagree with quite a few if they did. In addition, the rankings change over time, meaning the T50 schools change. It isn't a very specific term in that sense and it could be interpreted to include schools like Case and Tulane.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?

USNWR is what educators, parents, students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago. Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities. Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place. Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

You mean schools like Princeton, MIT, CalTech, Yale...schools under 8,000 students...that are still ranked in the Top 5, just like they were back in 2020?

Not many elite privates have more than about 8K-10K undergraduates.

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Anonymous wrote:It's definitely flexible, since we're talking about US News here, which is crap to begin with. It would be nicer if DCUM could all use QS, THE or ARWU.

Why would that be used for U.S. UNDERGRADUATE education? They are largely research rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually the 2020 list is the best - right before the world went insane: https://www.collegekickstart.com/blog/item/u-s-news-world-report-posts-2020-college-rankings

This is the correct ranking

Not with Columbia’s false stats