Virginia Discussing Regional Income Tax For NOVA Transit

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

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Anonymous wrote:Rents are higher near metro stops. Local governments should capture some of that revenue instead of letting developers have it as a windfall. The obvious solution is transit taxing districts where property taxes are higher.

They already do this, but WMATA always wants more. There is a Dulles Rail transportation improvement property tax district, Tysons Service District property tax, and Reston Service District Property Tax. In Loudoun, there is a metro rail service district property tax.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

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Anonymous wrote:It is crazy to see NOVA trying to Maryland itself, which makes sense because this is what happens when you have 100% Democratic control.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

My neighborhood used to have a commuter bus that was popular pre-covid. Then we had a bus to the nearest metro station that was less popular. Now we have nothing. I'm fine with that, but I'd like Virginia to adjust their contribution as services in Virginia are eliminated

Metro (WMATA) doesn't/didn't run those. You're angry at the wrong agency.

They were WMATA express busses

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

The riders are never coming back. Public transportation sucks. I had to take the public transit today and it was terrible. The weather was bad (cold and raining) and the wind was so strong that it broke my umbrella. No sane person that can afford to do otherwise will tolerate public transit unless it is faster than driving. For 95%+ of people living in NOVA this is not possible. It it much easier and faster to drive unless you live very close (5 minute or less walk) to the metro

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

The riders are never coming back. Public transportation sucks. I had to take the public transit today and it was terrible. The weather was bad (cold and raining) and the wind was so strong that it broke my umbrella. No sane person that can afford to do otherwise will tolerate public transit unless it is faster than driving. For 95%+ of people living in NOVA this is not possible. It it much easier and faster to drive unless you live very close (5 minute or less walk) to the metro

People who are not you have preferences and constraints that may be different from yours.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

The riders are never coming back. Public transportation sucks. I had to take the public transit today and it was terrible. The weather was bad (cold and raining) and the wind was so strong that it broke my umbrella. No sane person that can afford to do otherwise will tolerate public transit unless it is faster than driving. For 95%+ of people living in NOVA this is not possible. It it much easier and faster to drive unless you live very close (5 minute or less walk) to the metro

The other big problem is safety. If you can walk to the metro then the criminals can also walk to your house. Many people are not willing to risk the lives of themselves or their children for the convenience of living near transit.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

The riders are never coming back. Public transportation sucks. I had to take the public transit today and it was terrible. The weather was bad (cold and raining) and the wind was so strong that it broke my umbrella. No sane person that can afford to do otherwise will tolerate public transit unless it is faster than driving. For 95%+ of people living in NOVA this is not possible. It it much easier and faster to drive unless you live very close (5 minute or less walk) to the metro

The other big problem is safety. If you can walk to the metro then the criminals can also walk to your house. Many people are not willing to risk the lives of themselves or their children for the convenience of living near transit.

Absolutely! That's why everything within walking distance of Metro is so much cheaper than everything that's far from Metro! It is also well known that criminals don't have cars, can't get cars, and can't drive!

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

The riders are never coming back. Public transportation sucks. I had to take the public transit today and it was terrible. The weather was bad (cold and raining) and the wind was so strong that it broke my umbrella. No sane person that can afford to do otherwise will tolerate public transit unless it is faster than driving. For 95%+ of people living in NOVA this is not possible. It it much easier and faster to drive unless you live very close (5 minute or less walk) to the metro

The other big problem is safety. If you can walk to the metro then the criminals can also walk to your house. Many people are not willing to risk the lives of themselves or their children for the convenience of living near transit.

Absolutely! That's why everything within walking distance of Metro is so much cheaper than everything that's far from Metro! It is also well known that criminals don't have cars, can't get cars, and can't drive!

Many of them don’t have cars or drive. They get free or subsidized metro passes. There are so many examples of criminals taking the metro on their way to commit crime or as a form of getaway transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

The riders are never coming back. Public transportation sucks. I had to take the public transit today and it was terrible. The weather was bad (cold and raining) and the wind was so strong that it broke my umbrella. No sane person that can afford to do otherwise will tolerate public transit unless it is faster than driving. For 95%+ of people living in NOVA this is not possible. It it much easier and faster to drive unless you live very close (5 minute or less walk) to the metro

The other big problem is safety. If you can walk to the metro then the criminals can also walk to your house. Many people are not willing to risk the lives of themselves or their children for the convenience of living near transit.

Absolutely! That's why everything within walking distance of Metro is so much cheaper than everything that's far from Metro! It is also well known that criminals don't have cars, can't get cars, and can't drive!

If you look at a crime map of NW DC, almost all of the crime is within a half mile of the Metro stations.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

The riders are never coming back. Public transportation sucks. I had to take the public transit today and it was terrible. The weather was bad (cold and raining) and the wind was so strong that it broke my umbrella. No sane person that can afford to do otherwise will tolerate public transit unless it is faster than driving. For 95%+ of people living in NOVA this is not possible. It it much easier and faster to drive unless you live very close (5 minute or less walk) to the metro

The other big problem is safety. If you can walk to the metro then the criminals can also walk to your house. Many people are not willing to risk the lives of themselves or their children for the convenience of living near transit.

Absolutely! That's why everything within walking distance of Metro is so much cheaper than everything that's far from Metro! It is also well known that criminals don't have cars, can't get cars, and can't drive!

Many of them don’t have cars or drive. They get free or subsidized metro passes. There are so many examples of criminals taking the metro on their way to commit crime or as a form of getaway transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

You must be grading on a curve. Operating costs significantly higher and service levels significantly lower than pre-COVID. Add to that the unpleasantness of the safety issues, particularly persistent drug abuse and prevalent mental health crises and it’s easy to see why rail ridership is about 50% pre-COVID.

Have you actually taken Metrorail anywhere any time lately? Also, do you think work-from-home might have an effect on ridership?

I take Metro once a week and over 50% of the time someone is smoking weed in a car or a station. About once per month something crazy happens, like the time the unhoused person smoked fentanyl in my car.

Metro could probably get half of the lost riders back if they just did basic policing. People might actually want to spend time downtown if MPD did the same.

The riders are never coming back. Public transportation sucks. I had to take the public transit today and it was terrible. The weather was bad (cold and raining) and the wind was so strong that it broke my umbrella. No sane person that can afford to do otherwise will tolerate public transit unless it is faster than driving. For 95%+ of people living in NOVA this is not possible. It it much easier and faster to drive unless you live very close (5 minute or less walk) to the metro

+100

What’s funny is that metro ridership was down significantly even before COVID. Ridership peaked in 2008 and then plummeted ever since. In 2018-19 the ridership decline stopped, then came COVID.

As an indicator of how low expectations are, WMATA is talking about pre-COVID ridership and has completely given up on returning to 2008 peak.