Virginia Discussing Regional Income Tax For NOVA Transit

[Anonymous]

I have nothing but utter disdain and contempt for WMATA workers. Fire them all and throw their pensions in the trash. They are almost always bottom of the barrel trash pond scum.

Last time I went on the metro I had to recharge my card. The machine literally said please see attendant because the transaction was cancelled. I approach the box and try to hit the bottom on the side that literally said press to speak. It didn't work, and the WMATA booth worker RAGED at me for not using the other button to speak via speaker, which I simply didn't see. He was so angry I bothered him for 5 seconds because he has to get up off his lazy ass and open the door to explain what went wrong. Somehow the credit card transaction must have still gone through and I could have swiped through the gates. But if that's true, why would the recharging machine say transaction cancelled? I only had $2 on it to start.

Regardless, WMATA has nothing but hatred for their customers. They extort billions of dollars per year for a horribly run transit system so that they can collect fat checks and a pension for being a heap of do nothing lowlifes. Imagine a job where the hardest part of your day is when to have to get up off your fat ass and away from your cell phone for 10 seconds because a customer requires assistance.

I orgasm to think that one day we me be able to automate them all out of existence and we cut our taxes when we no longer have to pay exotionist levels of money to fund their pensions and salaries. I hate them so much.

[Anonymous]

okey dokey

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Why should people who don't live along your street pay for your street?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. The system is not self-supporting, and should contract in service scope until it is.

This is idiotic. Transit is a public good. It’s not a private company and doesn’t have to make profits to be successful.

Typical argument always used for never ending tax increases and allowing extortionist levels of costs pushed onto taxpayers so they can all extract as much chushy pension money as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Why should people who don't live along your street pay for your street?

because they presumably also have streets? Most public services exists throughout the county. For services that don't like trash collection, the areas receiving the service pay for it

[Anonymous]

Ok — then I’d like to discuss a “regional tax” for all regions other than nova with benefits that exceed tax revenue collected.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Why should people who don't live along your street pay for your street?

because they presumably also have streets? Most public services exists throughout the county. For services that don't like trash collection, the areas receiving the service pay for it

You're soooo close.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

My neighborhood used to have a commuter bus that was popular pre-covid. Then we had a bus to the nearest metro station that was less popular. Now we have nothing. I'm fine with that, but I'd like Virginia to adjust their contribution as services in Virginia are eliminated

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Why should people who don't live along your street pay for your street?

because they presumably also have streets? Most public services exists throughout the county. For services that don't like trash collection, the areas receiving the service pay for it

You're soooo close.

You do understand that Metro does not exist for anyone not living along one of two lines?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Why should people who don't live along your street pay for your street?

because they presumably also have streets? Most public services exists throughout the county. For services that don't like trash collection, the areas receiving the service pay for it

You're soooo close.

You do understand that Metro does not exist for anyone not living along one of two lines?

Damn you, Poe's Law

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that others from ROVA also use the transit infrastructure in NoVa. Tons of super commuters that come from RIC area or more rural areas in western VA or WV multiple times per week.

The problem is that our transit infrastructure exists to bring jobs to DC. Why should VA fund DC as a jobs center?

It is true that this was the original purpose of Metro, in the 1960s and 1970s.

It is also true that it is now 2024, and that there is a lot more transit in northern Virginia than just the 1960s/1970s Metro.

Have you seen a metro map? There are no connections between blue/yellow and orange silver further out than Arlington. It's still a model where routes radiate from DC. If you aren't traveling to or from DC (the majority of NOVA commuters) it's worthless.

I sure have. Including the part of it that is a gray line in northern Virginia.

An if you live anywhere along the Blue/yellow corridor, you practically have to go to DC to access it. If you live in the very wide gulf in between you get no metro. Why should people who don't live along it pay for it? Let fares fund it and if the ridership volume isn't there, then maybe it doesn't need to exist

Exactly. I personally will never support another penny of tax money going to WMATA until I see evidence that they are willing to control costs. All I have seen is that every few years they demand a taxpayer bailout and all I can ever see the funds being used for is pay increases and pensions. The system costs keep going up yet service quality keeps getting worse.

Service is actually much better than it used to be.

My neighborhood used to have a commuter bus that was popular pre-covid. Then we had a bus to the nearest metro station that was less popular. Now we have nothing. I'm fine with that, but I'd like Virginia to adjust their contribution as services in Virginia are eliminated

Metro (WMATA) doesn't/didn't run those. You're angry at the wrong agency.

[Anonymous]

Rents are higher near metro stops. Local governments should capture some of that revenue instead of letting developers have it as a windfall. The obvious solution is transit taxing districts where property taxes are higher.