DC - "No Right Turn On Red" - Why????

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Anonymous wrote:I've just noticed all the "new" (to me) signs for No Turn On Red. Why? It seems more dangerous for pedestrians crossing the street as cars that have been obeying the law (sitting there with no traffic coming, now try to turn while pedestrians/bikes are crossing. When are the cars supposed to go, especially on pedestrian heavy crosswalks? Sigh...I need to start going to the council meetings.

Drivers weren't actually stopping on red, and with the shift to gigantic commuter truck/SUVs drivers can't actually see pedestrians and do a lot more damage to them when they hit them. This is drivers once again playing themselves.

If the average driver was in a Fiat and actually followed the law, instead of an F-150 and doing whatever they wanted, you'd still be able to right on red. So its the drivers you need to talk to instead of the council.

Not you again 🙄🙄🙄.

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

There was a story about DDOT trying to sell bike lanes in Michigan Park and the residents told them to GTFO.

"How can you come into a Black and Brown, low-income community and tell us what we need?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/11/15/bike-lanes-road-safety-south-dakota-avenue/

too funny

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

Let's see, who is more likely to be able to afford to own and drive a car? Affluent people, or poor people?

How in the hell do you think people who live far away from their jobs, who don't have the luxury of working remotely, are getting to work?

Seriously. Poor people may not be buying Teslas but they have cars. SMH

Middle-class people unable to imagine that people might not have cars.

I have plenty of family and friends who are below "middle class". Of course they have a car, if they want one. Some choose the bus. Most have a car.

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

What the hell are you talking about? The suburbs - those places farthest from the city - are overwhelmingly white while the neighborhoods closest to the city are much less white. The argument that catering to suburban commuters helps people of color is very strange, particularly when most people killed crashes in this city are people of color.

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

Creating rules that drivers won't respect makes everyone less safe.

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

Let's see, who is more likely to be able to afford to own and drive a car? Affluent people, or poor people?

How in the hell do you think people who live far away from their jobs, who don't have the luxury of working remotely, are getting to work?

The bus.

Biking is even cheaper than the bus and, during rush hour, faster than driving or riding the bus. More people should bike. But I guess it’s hard for people living the poorest parts of the city to do so when the Ward 8 councilmember has effectively banned DDOT from building any bike lanes in his ward.

I will take drivers over annoying, entitled, rude bikers and day of the week. I take the metro BTW and do not drive to work. Bikes and scooters on sidewalks are the worst!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

And people are killed or injured more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones.

Should the “fees and fines system” side with the Black folk getting the fees and fines or the Black folk getting killed and injured by the folk getting the fees and fines?

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

What the hell are you talking about? The suburbs - those places farthest from the city - are overwhelmingly white while the neighborhoods closest to the city are much less white. The argument that catering to suburban commuters helps people of color is very strange, particularly when most people killed crashes in this city are people of color.

Do you even live here? DC is not like other cities. The city is whiter, richer and less diverse than the suburbs.

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

Let's see, who is more likely to be able to afford to own and drive a car? Affluent people, or poor people?

How in the hell do you think people who live far away from their jobs, who don't have the luxury of working remotely, are getting to work?

The bus.

Biking is even cheaper than the bus and, during rush hour, faster than driving or riding the bus. More people should bike. But I guess it’s hard for people living the poorest parts of the city to do so when the Ward 8 councilmember has effectively banned DDOT from building any bike lanes in his ward.

I will take drivers over annoying, entitled, rude bikers and day of the week. I take the metro BTW and do not drive to work. Bikes and scooters on sidewalks are the worst!!!!

Totally! Which is why the city needs many more bike lanes!

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Anonymous wrote:I'd love to know how many millions of pounds of carbon will be released into the atmosphere each year because engines idling unnecessarily at red lights.

I guess we can blame the Council and the bike mafia for global warming now.

"Unnecessarily" why? There's nothing unnecessary about safer streets.

"Traffic calming" doesnt actually make the streets any safer. The number of people killed by speeding drivers in Washington DC is more or less the same every single year (around 10) for the past 25 years. Traffic calming does force drivers to sit in traffic longer which increases greenhouse gas emissions.

The number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years, per the government:

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

Hard to see how "traffic calming" is making any difference

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

What the hell are you talking about? The suburbs - those places farthest from the city - are overwhelmingly white while the neighborhoods closest to the city are much less white. The argument that catering to suburban commuters helps people of color is very strange, particularly when most people killed crashes in this city are people of color.

Do you even live here? DC is not like other cities. The city is whiter, richer and less diverse than the suburbs.

I do. Do you? Here’s a map with some colors on it to allow you to familiarize yourself with where rich people live in the Washington area:

https://ggwash.org/view/72678/map-show-where-the-wealth-washington-region-so-too-is-the-exclusion

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Anonymous wrote:I'd love to know how many millions of pounds of carbon will be released into the atmosphere each year because engines idling unnecessarily at red lights.

I guess we can blame the Council and the bike mafia for global warming now.

"Unnecessarily" why? There's nothing unnecessary about safer streets.

"Traffic calming" doesnt actually make the streets any safer. The number of people killed by speeding drivers in Washington DC is more or less the same every single year (around 10) for the past 25 years. Traffic calming does force drivers to sit in traffic longer which increases greenhouse gas emissions.

The number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years, per the government:

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

Hard to see how "traffic calming" is making any difference

New thread. Same stupid debunked garbage arguments.

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

Let's see, who is more likely to be able to afford to own and drive a car? Affluent people, or poor people?

How in the hell do you think people who live far away from their jobs, who don't have the luxury of working remotely, are getting to work?

The bus.

Biking is even cheaper than the bus and, during rush hour, faster than driving or riding the bus. More people should bike. But I guess it’s hard for people living the poorest parts of the city to do so when the Ward 8 councilmember has effectively banned DDOT from building any bike lanes in his ward.

I will take drivers over annoying, entitled, rude bikers and day of the week. I take the metro BTW and do not drive to work. Bikes and scooters on sidewalks are the worst!!!!

Totally! Which is why the city needs many more bike lanes!

If bikers will actually use them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just ignore the signs. At some point the city council and DDOT became like parents who nag/criticize their children over every single thing they do. At some point, the child just tunes them out and drivers will do the same.

DDOT needs to learn that if its rules seem arbitrary or pointless to drivers, they will just ignore them. That includes unnecessary stop signs and traffic lights and unreasonably low speed limits and banning right turns for no good reason. If drivers are breaking traffic laws, maybe DDOT should look in the mirror.

You're making a good argument for suspending or revoking a lot of people's drivers licenses. If drivers can't drive safely and lawfully, they shouldn't have a driver's license.

Drivers are mostly black, brown and not rich. Are those the people you think our government likes to crack down upon?

Weird point. Not to mention that your premise is objectively false - but generally accurate for pedestrians who are hit and injured by drivers.

You new here? Welcome to DC. You'll find that housing is really expensive here. White people are far more likely than black or brown people to be able to afford to live within walking or bicycling distance of where they need to go, which is why white people are always talking about bicycling and pedestrians and black and brown people are not.

D.C. parking, traffic tickets snowball into financial hardships

Traffic and parking tickets are issued more often in Black neighborhoods than White ones, according to D.C. data analyzed by The Washington Post. Advocates for changing the District’s fees and fines system say the disparities criminalize poverty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

What the hell are you talking about? The suburbs - those places farthest from the city - are overwhelmingly white while the neighborhoods closest to the city are much less white. The argument that catering to suburban commuters helps people of color is very strange, particularly when most people killed crashes in this city are people of color.

Do you even live here? DC is not like other cities. The city is whiter, richer and less diverse than the suburbs.

I think you need to step out of ward 3 occasionally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd love to know how many millions of pounds of carbon will be released into the atmosphere each year because engines idling unnecessarily at red lights.

I guess we can blame the Council and the bike mafia for global warming now.

"Unnecessarily" why? There's nothing unnecessary about safer streets.

"Traffic calming" doesnt actually make the streets any safer. The number of people killed by speeding drivers in Washington DC is more or less the same every single year (around 10) for the past 25 years. Traffic calming does force drivers to sit in traffic longer which increases greenhouse gas emissions.

The number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years, per the government:

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

Not this shit again . . .

For the umpteenth time, unless you believe that crashes always have a single cause - or don’t care because you believe your point matters more than truth - these numbers (whoever compiled them) are absolutely meaningless.