Can we get a district wide residency check of all FCPS high schools?

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Anonymous wrote:The number of kids going to a different school because their parent teaches there (or nearby) is pretty negligible, I would imagine. Also, those kids are already in the system as being at a different school and have been approved for that.

Better to focus this on kids who are going to a different school than where they are zoned for that no one knows about.

For me, it’s all or nothing. Too many loopholes and caveats is how we’ve gotten here.

You will likely find zero support for not allowing teachers to pupil place their own children into their school pyramid.

Our teachers are undetpaid as it it.

Teachers pupil placing their children is an easy benefit that keeps good teachers and costs FCPS next to nothing.

It is the smartest benefit cost vs return that FCPS can offer its teachers.

Absolutely. Can't believe that anybody would advocate for not allowing teachers to do this.

It must be a parent who hasan issue with a particular kid whose parent happens to teach in FCPS.

I can't imagine anyone else having an issue with this valuable employee benefit that costs FCPS zero.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree this should be done annually. It should be a part of the standard forms we have to fill out each year. Send a current utility bill dated within the last 60 days. Or a copy of the personal property tax due in October which asks you to verify that your vehicle is still at your address. We are zoned for a high ranked school and residency fraud has historically been a big problem.

That will not work for someone who rent a room in a house zone for McLean so that their kids can attend McLean HS.

They can knock on doors if needed.

Who are “they”

They can knock on doors all they want. I will not answer any questions unless it is ordered by the court.

Great! Your kid will be disenrolled.

This same person probably clutches pearls over the national debt and high county taxes. But when an effort is made, "Muh, my rights."

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Anonymous wrote:It's "surprising" how many cars with Maryland plates are dropping kids off in the morning at some FCPS. I venture to say, not all these people with Maryland registered cars are simply avoiding paying a car tax.

I’ve seen MD plates dropping kids off at the bus stop as well.

I support residency checks, but they should be done In conjunction with the boundary review. One can walk and chew gum at the same time.

What does a residency check entail? Actually sending someone to knock on doors and demand to see the kid's bedroom and toothbrush? For EVERY single student in FCPS?

There are plenty of schools in the US what do residency checks. I'm sure we could figure out some tactics for doing that from them. Such as, bringing a valid lease and utilities statement to the school before the start of the school year to prove that you live in district? I would 100 percent support this before we get any further along in this boundary process. After the Hayfield disaster, it's the least FCPS should be doing.

You already have to do that when you register at a school. I guess this would catch people who move out of a school district.

EXACTLY. You have to prove it already. Doens't help if somebody is using a "homeless" clause or a valid pupil placement.

You do it once. We did it in kindergarten and now I have a high schooler. It should be yearly

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Do the “homeless” kids at hayfield get booted out now? I hope so

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The number of kids going to a different school because their parent teaches there (or nearby) is pretty negligible, I would imagine. Also, those kids are already in the system as being at a different school and have been approved for that.

Better to focus this on kids who are going to a different school than where they are zoned for that no one knows about.

For me, it’s all or nothing. Too many loopholes and caveats is how we’ve gotten here.

You will likely find zero support for not allowing teachers to pupil place their own children into their school pyramid.

Our teachers are undetpaid as it it.

Teachers pupil placing their children is an easy benefit that keeps good teachers and costs FCPS next to nothing.

It is the smartest benefit cost vs return that FCPS can offer its teachers.

This benefit is only for teachers who reside in Fairfax County, so arguably, it costs nothing.

Yes. There was a time when Fairfax and Arlington allowed parents to live out of county and significant flexibility to pupil place. That perk attracted teachers from all over. But those days are long gone. Now teachers have to live and teach in the county to place their child in the pyramid closest to where they work.

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Anonymous wrote:Do the “homeless” kids at hayfield get booted out now? I hope so

Their parents should be given a choice: pay up the $19,000 to let their children stay in FCPS for the remainder of the year or go back to whatever out of boundary area they came from and pay the prorated amount it cost to educate them from late August until their official withdrawal date.

And yes, there should be annual residency checks at all FCPS schools. It's wild that people can show a lease or house deed when they register a child for kindergarten and then it's basically an honor system for the next 12 years.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS schools do residency checks each year. We send letters to our families that need to be returned. If the letters “bounce” or are not returned, we know there is something fishy.

Many parents who do this are gaming the system. They own property (a cheap condo or something) in the boundary of the school they want and rent it out. When investigated, they are easily able to produce a mortgage statement. Following up on each of these requires detective work (i.e. following a family home each day) and effectively ruins the relationship with a school and the family. It would need to be an external group with a lot of time and funding.

I have never received such a letter.

It’s just a letter from FCPS. The topic could be anything - assigned teacher, Schoology updates, SB changes, rezoning, etc. it could be a postcard flyer.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS schools do residency checks each year. We send letters to our families that need to be returned. If the letters “bounce” or are not returned, we know there is something fishy.

Many parents who do this are gaming the system. They own property (a cheap condo or something) in the boundary of the school they want and rent it out. When investigated, they are easily able to produce a mortgage statement. Following up on each of these requires detective work (i.e. following a family home each day) and effectively ruins the relationship with a school and the family. It would need to be an external group with a lot of time and funding.

I have never received such a letter.

Neither have we.

You have. But it didn’t say “this is a residency check.” It would have been a letter that looked like any other letter from the school. If it gets returned the school notices. But what do they do next? That’s usually up to the school and how much they want to pursue it.

Also, the bar is very low when it comes to what documents are accepted for registering a new kid in fcps.

I fully support residency checks for all schools, but how exactly? Most of the suggestions thrown out on here are just completely unrealistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Also eliminate out of district permits for kids of teachers who put their kids in whatever school they want. There's a student in my DC's grade who went to all of ES and now MS completely out of her zone (think Reston instead of Herndon), then they'll go on to the HS where Mom teaches. How has this kid been in a completely different FCPS Region for seven years? Five more to go, and she's been preceded by an older sibling.

This should be allowed as a benefit for teachers.

We need teachers and allowing their kids to attend their school is a small accomodation that benefits far more people than it harms.

+1 we already have a teacher retention problem. Let's not make it harder on them.

I don't have an issue with the kid going to the school where Mom/Dad teaches. But the other years, kid should be at base school and not in any school the parent chooses.

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This is not the policy, what they are doing is legal within the standards set by FCPS. In a teacher shortage, it would be insane to change this.

"A parent resides in Fairfax County and is a FCPS employee, defined as a person working in a budgeted Full Time Equivalent (FTE) position (FTE transportation and food services positions included) and eligible for leave, retirement, and health benefits coverage. Student transfer requests will be for the school in which the parent is employed or for the school closest to the employee’s work location. If the request for student transfer is to the school in which the parent or guardian is employed, capacity issues will not prevent the transfer."

From: https://www.fcps.edu/registration/student-transfer-information

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS schools do residency checks each year. We send letters to our families that need to be returned. If the letters “bounce” or are not returned, we know there is something fishy.

Many parents who do this are gaming the system. They own property (a cheap condo or something) in the boundary of the school they want and rent it out. When investigated, they are easily able to produce a mortgage statement. Following up on each of these requires detective work (i.e. following a family home each day) and effectively ruins the relationship with a school and the family. It would need to be an external group with a lot of time and funding.

I have never received such a letter.

It’s just a letter from FCPS. The topic could be anything - assigned teacher, Schoology updates, SB changes, rezoning, etc. it could be a postcard flyer.

Do you write return to sender on every piece of mail that comes to your house that’s not yours? Do you think everything actually gets returned? We have lived in our house for 12 years and still get mail almost weekly for the people who lived here before us. Most of it is junk. We write return to sender on anything that looks remotely important and it hasn’t stopped things from continuing to come. I bet nothing is actually returned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS schools do residency checks each year. We send letters to our families that need to be returned. If the letters “bounce” or are not returned, we know there is something fishy.

Many parents who do this are gaming the system. They own property (a cheap condo or something) in the boundary of the school they want and rent it out. When investigated, they are easily able to produce a mortgage statement. Following up on each of these requires detective work (i.e. following a family home each day) and effectively ruins the relationship with a school and the family. It would need to be an external group with a lot of time and funding.

I have never received such a letter.

It’s just a letter from FCPS. The topic could be anything - assigned teacher, Schoology updates, SB changes, rezoning, etc. it could be a postcard flyer.

Never received one.

Multiple kids, 4 fcps schools.

I think you are making up stuff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS schools do residency checks each year. We send letters to our families that need to be returned. If the letters “bounce” or are not returned, we know there is something fishy.

Many parents who do this are gaming the system. They own property (a cheap condo or something) in the boundary of the school they want and rent it out. When investigated, they are easily able to produce a mortgage statement. Following up on each of these requires detective work (i.e. following a family home each day) and effectively ruins the relationship with a school and the family. It would need to be an external group with a lot of time and funding.

I have never received such a letter.

It’s just a letter from FCPS. The topic could be anything - assigned teacher, Schoology updates, SB changes, rezoning, etc. it could be a postcard flyer.

Do you write return to sender on every piece of mail that comes to your house that’s not yours? Do you think everything actually gets returned? We have lived in our house for 12 years and still get mail almost weekly for the people who lived here before us. Most of it is junk. We write return to sender on anything that looks remotely important and it hasn’t stopped things from continuing to come. I bet nothing is actually returned.

We get mail for the person who was the original owner in the early 1970s, who sold the house 25 years ago.

We are the 4th owner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS schools do residency checks each year. We send letters to our families that need to be returned. If the letters “bounce” or are not returned, we know there is something fishy.

Many parents who do this are gaming the system. They own property (a cheap condo or something) in the boundary of the school they want and rent it out. When investigated, they are easily able to produce a mortgage statement. Following up on each of these requires detective work (i.e. following a family home each day) and effectively ruins the relationship with a school and the family. It would need to be an external group with a lot of time and funding.

I have never received such a letter.

It’s just a letter from FCPS. The topic could be anything - assigned teacher, Schoology updates, SB changes, rezoning, etc. it could be a postcard flyer.

Do you write return to sender on every piece of mail that comes to your house that’s not yours? Do you think everything actually gets returned? We have lived in our house for 12 years and still get mail almost weekly for the people who lived here before us. Most of it is junk. We write return to sender on anything that looks remotely important and it hasn’t stopped things from continuing to come. I bet nothing is actually returned.

We get mail for the person who was the original owner in the early 1970s, who sold the house 25 years ago.

We are the 4th owner.

Yes, so now people are saying that people are using legitimate "good" addresses and then what? Moving to "bad" neighborhoods?
That makes no sense. Sure it might happen. But the majority of people committing some type of fraud likely never lived at the addresses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS schools do residency checks each year. We send letters to our families that need to be returned. If the letters “bounce” or are not returned, we know there is something fishy.

Many parents who do this are gaming the system. They own property (a cheap condo or something) in the boundary of the school they want and rent it out. When investigated, they are easily able to produce a mortgage statement. Following up on each of these requires detective work (i.e. following a family home each day) and effectively ruins the relationship with a school and the family. It would need to be an external group with a lot of time and funding.

I have never received such a letter.

It’s just a letter from FCPS. The topic could be anything - assigned teacher, Schoology updates, SB changes, rezoning, etc. it could be a postcard flyer.

Never received one.

Multiple kids, 4 fcps schools.

I think you are making up stuff.

We’ve received mail from FCPS, so you must be the one making it up.

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Anonymous wrote:APS requires parents of kids who are going to the next level (5th grade and 8th grade) at least to resubmit all residency documents. While it isn’t every year, it would definitely weed out some kids.

Yup. When Arlington first did this a few years ago they discovered some schools really weren’t really overcrowded.