Martha

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Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.

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Success not soccer lol ^

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Life is totally unfair, dark and gray. Life is full of surprises and it's both beautiful and ugly. A person who is to be admired is one who can navigate life and come out on top in some way whether with peace, prosperity or grace. It's so hard to do for all of us. Martha is one of the few very successful women who publicly went through hell and I respect her for achieving all of these thing. I hate baking, I don't read her stuff, I'm totally different than what she sells but I admire her as a person who found her way.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.

You can work your @ss off, as Martha did, and not screw anyone over or cheat on your husband. Not really all that hard. It's a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Half way through and I'm loving the new Martha documentary. Most surprising so far: her childhood thru stock broker years.

Her dad was physically (belts + stick whippings) and verbally abusive, and her mother was not motherly at all. With six kids at home, the dad loses his sales job and the family had to grown their own food and barter with neighbors for other basic needs.

Martha somehow earned a scholarship to Barnard and also sent most of her modeling paychecks home to help support her younger siblings. Someone above mentioned that Martha had the "privilege" to pursue her passions. I would argue that she forged her own path that enabled her to do that. She was already a very successful woman when she was introduced to her first husband by a fellow Barnard classmate (the guy's sister). He was in law school at the time but didn't even go into law.

Until now, my opinion of Martha Stewart has oscillated between IDGAF to pure dislike. Now, I kinda dig the woman. No wonder Snoop is a big fan.

She is self made for sure. The reference to privilege was that she did marry rich (she mentions her honeymoon was 5 months!!) and could buy a multi-acre estate fairly young, start her own catering business and have enough connections to grow it. Clearly she was extremely savvy and did way more than is possible for most people. But I do think she had privilege from her marriage, her modeling and her stockbroker job.

Privilege from her stock broker job? You need to realize what a big deal it was that she got that job? You do not understand that women didn't get those jobs and were not wanted there. They didn't make it clear enough for you that there were no women in those jobs then. Can you imagine what she went through. I'm pretty old and worked in a male dominated industry and the things those of us who worked in those fields went through were truly horrible.

THEY DIDNT EVEN HAVE A LADIES BATHROOM!!! she’s an amazing ceiling breaker. That’s not priveledge that’s being a complete savage bad ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Martha’s story reinforces how dangerous it can be to be a woman even if you are attractive and rich. She is a true feminist and her story shows there is still no equality for women.

Agree with this. Criticism of her is filled with a remarkable amount of misogyny.

Successful men don't get the same criticism for being "mean" or "bad dads" or "cold."

You can dislike her, but you have to acknowledge the incredible double standard of male vs. female expectations of how they're supposed to carry themselves when it comes to business and success.

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after watching that documentary i’m a huge fan. She’s a boss b!t$h and I love it. I’d put up with her berating me for using the wrong knife just for the privilege of working for her. None of her diva behavior if she were a man would be a topic.

on a side note this documentary reinforced my absolute hatred of what a complete scum bag misogynist Barbara Walters is.

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Anonymous wrote:Martha’s story reinforces how dangerous it can be to be a woman even if you are attractive and rich. She is a true feminist and her story shows there is still no equality for women.

Agree with this. Criticism of her is filled with a remarkable amount of misogyny.

Successful men don't get the same criticism for being "mean" or "bad dads" or "cold."

You can dislike her, but you have to acknowledge the incredible double standard of male vs. female expectations of how they're supposed to carry themselves when it comes to business and success.

Like it or not, most people think women should be nurturing. It's just the way it is, so moms can be kind, caring mothers.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half way through and I'm loving the new Martha documentary. Most surprising so far: her childhood thru stock broker years.

Her dad was physically (belts + stick whippings) and verbally abusive, and her mother was not motherly at all. With six kids at home, the dad loses his sales job and the family had to grown their own food and barter with neighbors for other basic needs.

Martha somehow earned a scholarship to Barnard and also sent most of her modeling paychecks home to help support her younger siblings. Someone above mentioned that Martha had the "privilege" to pursue her passions. I would argue that she forged her own path that enabled her to do that. She was already a very successful woman when she was introduced to her first husband by a fellow Barnard classmate (the guy's sister). He was in law school at the time but didn't even go into law.

Until now, my opinion of Martha Stewart has oscillated between IDGAF to pure dislike. Now, I kinda dig the woman. No wonder Snoop is a big fan.

She is self made for sure. The reference to privilege was that she did marry rich (she mentions her honeymoon was 5 months!!) and could buy a multi-acre estate fairly young, start her own catering business and have enough connections to grow it. Clearly she was extremely savvy and did way more than is possible for most people. But I do think she had privilege from her marriage, her modeling and her stockbroker job.

Privilege from her stock broker job? You need to realize what a big deal it was that she got that job? You do not understand that women didn't get those jobs and were not wanted there. They didn't make it clear enough for you that there were no women in those jobs then. Can you imagine what she went through. I'm pretty old and worked in a male dominated industry and the things those of us who worked in those fields went through were truly horrible.

THEY DIDNT EVEN HAVE A LADIES BATHROOM!!! she’s an amazing ceiling breaker. That’s not priveledge that’s being a complete savage bad ass.

Yes, she is a bad ass. She also had some privilege. Both can be true. Being a model is privileged. Not many people are paid to be good looking. She was already on her way to a comfortable life, and then she used her savviness to take off into the stratosphere. Self made billionaire, as I said, but not without some natural advantages!

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Anonymous wrote:So she married rich and has been grifting ever since off the idle rich New England / Hamptons housewife aesthetic. See also that food network flyover state hick / failed actress who married the oil heir and sells proles a ranch family aesthetic. Literally same blueprint.

No. Unlike Ree Drummond who hid the fact that she married a into an extremely wealthy oil family (who got their land and mineral rights the old fashioned way- stealing from the Osage), Martha has always been open about who she was. Are you suggesting that a Polish girl from Nutley can’t enjoy the WASP aesthetic? Martha was a successful model, a successful stockbroker, and a wildly successful businesswoman. And she worked her a$$ off for it.

This is a woman who wakes before dawn and does a ton of labor herself. Her catering business wasn’t launched with a giant investment from anyone. It was out of her kitchen and backyard. Yes, a lot of what she’s sold through the years has been the WASP aesthetic, but she’s had her family (especially her mother) and shared traditional Polish dishes and customs as well. She’s always been an open book.

You’re parroting myths and marketing. You have no idea how “successful” she was in anything. She married rich and has had puppetmasters. There are fananciers and companies behind these women making 50x what they pay the front woman. It’s as juvenile as calling Cardi B a genius.

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Well we can all use some help can't we? But that lady is boss. You know, she lost it all and came back. I tell you, the sign of a real player is when you can be down and still come back. That's a certain kind of talent and grit to be able to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.

You can work your @ss off, as Martha did, and not screw anyone over or cheat on your husband. Not really all that hard. It's a choice.

I'm not pp but nice people stop important things from getting done. Nice people won't make the hard decisions that one has to make to keep a business running. Nice people will make excuses for poor workers to the point they hurt a business. Nice people are oblivious to the fact that their niceness is all about them feeling good about them selves while avoiding difficult decisions and looking the other way when hard choices need to be made. People who put niceness first aren't fully functioning adults.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.

You can work your @ss off, as Martha did, and not screw anyone over or cheat on your husband. Not really all that hard. It's a choice.

I'm not pp but nice people stop important things from getting done. Nice people won't make the hard decisions that one has to make to keep a business running. Nice people will make excuses for poor workers to the point they hurt a business. Nice people are oblivious to the fact that their niceness is all about them feeling good about them selves while avoiding difficult decisions and looking the other way when hard choices need to be made. People who put niceness first aren't fully functioning adults.

You're just rationalizing and making excuses for mean-spiritedness. I've had quite a few bosses/administrators, both male and female over the years. Niceness and kindness do not undermine effective leadership.

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She is clearly very smart and beautiful with a strong work ethic; however, to get ahead, she cheated and lied in both her personal life and her professional life.