Martha

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Anonymous wrote:Half way through and I'm loving the new Martha documentary. Most surprising so far: her childhood thru stock broker years.

Her dad was physically (belts + stick whippings) and verbally abusive, and her mother was not motherly at all. With six kids at home, the dad loses his sales job and the family had to grown their own food and barter with neighbors for other basic needs.

Martha somehow earned a scholarship to Barnard and also sent most of her modeling paychecks home to help support her younger siblings. Someone above mentioned that Martha had the "privilege" to pursue her passions. I would argue that she forged her own path that enabled her to do that. She was already a very successful woman when she was introduced to her first husband by a fellow Barnard classmate (the guy's sister). He was in law school at the time but didn't even go into law.

Until now, my opinion of Martha Stewart has oscillated between IDGAF to pure dislike. Now, I kinda dig the woman. No wonder Snoop is a big fan.

She is self made for sure. The reference to privilege was that she did marry rich (she mentions her honeymoon was 5 months!!) and could buy a multi-acre estate fairly young, start her own catering business and have enough connections to grow it. Clearly she was extremely savvy and did way more than is possible for most people. But I do think she had privilege from her marriage, her modeling and her stockbroker job.

Privilege from her stock broker job? You need to realize what a big deal it was that she got that job? You do not understand that women didn't get those jobs and were not wanted there. They didn't make it clear enough for you that there were no women in those jobs then. Can you imagine what she went through. I'm pretty old and worked in a male dominated industry and the things those of us who worked in those fields went through were truly horrible.

THEY DIDNT EVEN HAVE A LADIES BATHROOM!!! she’s an amazing ceiling breaker. That’s not priveledge that’s being a complete savage bad ass.

Yes, she is a bad ass. She also had some privilege. Both can be true. Being a model is privileged. Not many people are paid to be good looking. She was already on her way to a comfortable life, and then she used her savviness to take off into the stratosphere. Self made billionaire, as I said, but not without some natural advantages!

Lol

Yeah her looks are what got her through manually overhauling 2-3 old homes and properties herself.

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She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

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Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

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Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

I loved the documentary. I think it was fascinating, but part of the takeaway was that her great beauty + ruthlessness + demanding nature + work habits were the roots of her success: she got into Wall Street that way, didn't care about neglecting her family to launch her empire. She basically lacks all qualities that make a person admirable on a deep level, but superficially she is a really impressive success story. As for the trial, it was pretty crazy how her bff threw her under the bus on the stand. I looked it all up and apparently after the trial she said Martha possibly didn't even say those words, and she wrote a tell-all about their friendships. So if that's the best friend she had in the world...It's all very sad.

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Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

Now do Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Bill Gates

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

+1!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

Now do Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Bill Gates

I don't admire any of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Can't she just go away and give younger women a chance? Greedy as hell til the grave, huh.

The crown is waiting for anyone to snatch. The problem is there hasn't been anyone with the knowledge and talent of Queen Martha

Trying to think of younger people who've tried to do something similar:
Meghan Markle (The Tig)
Blake Lively
Reese Witherspoon
Bethany Frankel
The Pioneer Woman
Ballerina Farm
Probably influencers I haven't heard of.

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Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

+1. Why has this old hag been shoved down our throats for the last 30 to 40 years?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

I loved the documentary. I think it was fascinating, but part of the takeaway was that her great beauty + ruthlessness + demanding nature + work habits were the roots of her success: she got into Wall Street that way, didn't care about neglecting her family to launch her empire. She basically lacks all qualities that make a person admirable on a deep level, but superficially she is a really impressive success story. As for the trial, it was pretty crazy how her bff threw her under the bus on the stand. I looked it all up and apparently after the trial she said Martha possibly didn't even say those words, and she wrote a tell-all about their friendships. So if that's the best friend she had in the world...It's all very sad.

Telling the truth under oath isn't throwing someone under the bus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

I loved the documentary. I think it was fascinating, but part of the takeaway was that her great beauty + ruthlessness + demanding nature + work habits were the roots of her success: she got into Wall Street that way, didn't care about neglecting her family to launch her empire. She basically lacks all qualities that make a person admirable on a deep level, but superficially she is a really impressive success story. As for the trial, it was pretty crazy how her bff threw her under the bus on the stand. I looked it all up and apparently after the trial she said Martha possibly didn't even say those words, and she wrote a tell-all about their friendships. So if that's the best friend she had in the world...It's all very sad.

Telling the truth under oath isn't throwing someone under the bus

Martha said what she said. It was low class of her the cackle about her money. That's the #1 rule of wealth: don't talk about it!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

I loved the documentary. I think it was fascinating, but part of the takeaway was that her great beauty + ruthlessness + demanding nature + work habits were the roots of her success: she got into Wall Street that way, didn't care about neglecting her family to launch her empire. She basically lacks all qualities that make a person admirable on a deep level, but superficially she is a really impressive success story. As for the trial, it was pretty crazy how her bff threw her under the bus on the stand. I looked it all up and apparently after the trial she said Martha possibly didn't even say those words, and she wrote a tell-all about their friendships. So if that's the best friend she had in the world...It's all very sad.

Telling the truth under oath isn't throwing someone under the bus

Erring on the side of "she probably said it so I'll say she did and ruin her life" when you aren't sure she actually said it is definitely throwing someone under the bus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

I loved the documentary. I think it was fascinating, but part of the takeaway was that her great beauty + ruthlessness + demanding nature + work habits were the roots of her success: she got into Wall Street that way, didn't care about neglecting her family to launch her empire. She basically lacks all qualities that make a person admirable on a deep level, but superficially she is a really impressive success story. As for the trial, it was pretty crazy how her bff threw her under the bus on the stand. I looked it all up and apparently after the trial she said Martha possibly didn't even say those words, and she wrote a tell-all about their friendships. So if that's the best friend she had in the world...It's all very sad.

Telling the truth under oath isn't throwing someone under the bus

Erring on the side of "she probably said it so I'll say she did and ruin her life" when you aren't sure she actually said it is definitely throwing someone under the bus.

Absolutely. Do you all have even the faintest concept of "under oath" and "beyond a reasonable doubt"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

+1. Why has this old hag been shoved down our throats for the last 30 to 40 years?

Right. People were *forced* to consume her media and products.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is beautiful, smart, ruthless and savvy, but also soulless, without any humility, and zero genuine kindness. Very Connecticut 60's-80's. Awful. My DH was watching this and I had to leave the room.

This. I was watching it thinking "who would admire this?" I would much rather be known for my kind soul, my humility, and kindness than be beautiful/smart/rich.

I loved the documentary. I think it was fascinating, but part of the takeaway was that her great beauty + ruthlessness + demanding nature + work habits were the roots of her success: she got into Wall Street that way, didn't care about neglecting her family to launch her empire. She basically lacks all qualities that make a person admirable on a deep level, but superficially she is a really impressive success story. As for the trial, it was pretty crazy how her bff threw her under the bus on the stand. I looked it all up and apparently after the trial she said Martha possibly didn't even say those words, and she wrote a tell-all about their friendships. So if that's the best friend she had in the world...It's all very sad.

The friend was pissed/offended that she got dragged into it. That was her main concern so I agree, not a particularly empathetic, loyal friend. But you know, Martha was no paragon of empathy so...perhaps a case of water seeking its own level?. Her millionaire/billionaire friends all had loyal hearts of gold? Doubtful. She learned a hard lesson the very hardest way... about people and character and friendship.