Anonymous wrote:I am in NYC, so maybe it is different elsewhere in the country. But there is SO much difference in rigor between various schools, especially in AP classes. My older kid goes to a selective school where the AP classes involve mountains of homework, and the level of teaching assumes every kid will get a 5 on the test (most do). Taking more than 4 APs per year is practically a death sentence, though there are always kids who do it to chase Ivies. My younger kid goes to a school where the AP classes are more challenging than non, but only slightly. There's test re-takes and tons of extra credit available, so a reasonable amount of effort is basically a guaranteed A grade. A course load of 4 - 5 APs is a relative breeze. Of course, most kids get 2's, if they even take the tests, since they clearly aren't prepared. Ironically, younger kids' school does very well with college placements, probably bc of the APs. But it honestly doesn't seem fair for colleges to view these AP classes as equivalent - objectively, they aren't. The same curriculum can look very difference in practice. Thoughts?
So, why does one kid go to a good school and the other a shitty school?
Your scenario sounds contrived to spur debate.
I’m not OP, but like OP I have one kid at each kind of school. They’re at different schools because DC1’s school is selective, and DC2 didn’t get in.
That’s why it’s impossible to say what’s “fair.” True, DC1 works much harder than DC2 for the same grade in what is nominally the same class. That doesn’t seem fair. But DC2 doesn’t even have the opportunity to take the more rigorous classes, and that doesn’t seem fair either.
I just don’t know anyone in NYC that sends their kid to a local public HS. They go selective or charter or private.
I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist.
I'm in NY. Not sure what you mean by charter. Brooklyn Prospect? Success Academy? We dont have many charters, and they're not in demand.
But PLENTY go public. Never mind the SHS schools like Stuy and Bronx Sci and Laguardia. Here are regular public schools - go ahead and look up their college placement. Eleanor Roosevelt. NEST, Columbia Secondary, Beacon. Lab. Clinton. Townsend Harris. Baruch, Manhattan Hunter, Special Music School, The Bards (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx), Frank Sinatra, Museum, Hunter, ischool, Millennium, Dual Lang/Asian Affairs, SOF, Bacc School ... on and on
I won’t look them all up but the first one you list (Eleanor Roosevelt) has an entire application and admissions process with priority given to kids that meet academic screening.
That doesn’t sound like a school you just walk in and register for, nor does it sound like a school where all the kids get a 1 or 2 on the AP tests.
But that's not school works in NYC. You can't just walk into ANY high school and register your kid. That ends for us in grade school (5th). We have a middle school application process (limited to your district, but our districts are big - this is when most kids start commuting via subway to school). And then our high school application process is citywide. You have an academic "tier" based on grades and then a RAN (random assigned number aka lottery number). You get some preference if you're SWD or ELL or are very very low income. You also have an Ed Opt category.
Some schools want essays, some schools don't look at tiers (Beacon, one of the best, is essay only), some only look at Ed Opt (so take equal high, medium, low levels of kids .. so yes, kids who get 1s on APs are in same school as some of the best students), some want a portfolio or audition. You rank your choices and then you hope to get placed in one of your top options.
If you move to NYC while your kids are in high school, you still can't just walk in and register. That's not EVER a thing. You go to a Family Welcome Center and you get placed in whatever school has seats.
So when you say "I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist." that's 100% bullshit. You clearly know nothing about how the system works or who attends public school. Thousands of kids who end up in top colleges are in very strong public schools in nyc.
I was 100% correct that any person that cares about their kid sends them to an application high school that doesn’t have kids getting 1s and 2s on AP tests.
So, you agree OP is full of shit and making up their scenario, right?
Nobody is placing their kid into shitty PS 35 whatever in NYC.
I am OP. New York City is different. We do not have a "zoned" school. There is a complex HS admissions process that involves tests, lotteries, and/or auditions if your child is artsy. My older child goes to a test-in school that is almost painfully rigorous. My younger one did not pass that test, and is in a lottery school that is known to be "nice" - supportive, families who generally care about education - but is not at all rigorous. Parents openly complain that their kids do not pass the AP tests - of course some do, but the level of teaching and learning simply isn't comparable. I would be surprised if kids are getting 4's and 5's without any outside tutoring.
Having 2 kids in very different schools is not an uncommon scenario at all in NYC, I realize it is different elsewhere in the country.
Anyway, it seems kind of wild to me that colleges take on face value that getting A's in an AP class is the same from school to school. They use SAT scores as a check on grade inflation to an extent, but don't use AP scores the same way - why not?
I dont get your argument. All classes are graded differently. Even within a school you might get the easy chemistry teacher or the hard one.
APs, at least, have a standardized test that kind of acts like a final exam across schools.
Anonymous wrote:I am in NYC, so maybe it is different elsewhere in the country. But there is SO much difference in rigor between various schools, especially in AP classes. My older kid goes to a selective school where the AP classes involve mountains of homework, and the level of teaching assumes every kid will get a 5 on the test (most do). Taking more than 4 APs per year is practically a death sentence, though there are always kids who do it to chase Ivies. My younger kid goes to a school where the AP classes are more challenging than non, but only slightly. There's test re-takes and tons of extra credit available, so a reasonable amount of effort is basically a guaranteed A grade. A course load of 4 - 5 APs is a relative breeze. Of course, most kids get 2's, if they even take the tests, since they clearly aren't prepared. Ironically, younger kids' school does very well with college placements, probably bc of the APs. But it honestly doesn't seem fair for colleges to view these AP classes as equivalent - objectively, they aren't. The same curriculum can look very difference in practice. Thoughts?
So, why does one kid go to a good school and the other a shitty school?
Your scenario sounds contrived to spur debate.
I’m not OP, but like OP I have one kid at each kind of school. They’re at different schools because DC1’s school is selective, and DC2 didn’t get in.
That’s why it’s impossible to say what’s “fair.” True, DC1 works much harder than DC2 for the same grade in what is nominally the same class. That doesn’t seem fair. But DC2 doesn’t even have the opportunity to take the more rigorous classes, and that doesn’t seem fair either.
I just don’t know anyone in NYC that sends their kid to a local public HS. They go selective or charter or private.
I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist.
I'm in NY. Not sure what you mean by charter. Brooklyn Prospect? Success Academy? We dont have many charters, and they're not in demand.
But PLENTY go public. Never mind the SHS schools like Stuy and Bronx Sci and Laguardia. Here are regular public schools - go ahead and look up their college placement. Eleanor Roosevelt. NEST, Columbia Secondary, Beacon. Lab. Clinton. Townsend Harris. Baruch, Manhattan Hunter, Special Music School, The Bards (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx), Frank Sinatra, Museum, Hunter, ischool, Millennium, Dual Lang/Asian Affairs, SOF, Bacc School ... on and on
I won’t look them all up but the first one you list (Eleanor Roosevelt) has an entire application and admissions process with priority given to kids that meet academic screening.
That doesn’t sound like a school you just walk in and register for, nor does it sound like a school where all the kids get a 1 or 2 on the AP tests.
But that's not school works in NYC. You can't just walk into ANY high school and register your kid. That ends for us in grade school (5th). We have a middle school application process (limited to your district, but our districts are big - this is when most kids start commuting via subway to school). And then our high school application process is citywide. You have an academic "tier" based on grades and then a RAN (random assigned number aka lottery number). You get some preference if you're SWD or ELL or are very very low income. You also have an Ed Opt category.
Some schools want essays, some schools don't look at tiers (Beacon, one of the best, is essay only), some only look at Ed Opt (so take equal high, medium, low levels of kids .. so yes, kids who get 1s on APs are in same school as some of the best students), some want a portfolio or audition. You rank your choices and then you hope to get placed in one of your top options.
If you move to NYC while your kids are in high school, you still can't just walk in and register. That's not EVER a thing. You go to a Family Welcome Center and you get placed in whatever school has seats.
So when you say "I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist." that's 100% bullshit. You clearly know nothing about how the system works or who attends public school. Thousands of kids who end up in top colleges are in very strong public schools in nyc.
I was 100% correct that any person that cares about their kid sends them to an application high school that doesn’t have kids getting 1s and 2s on AP tests.
So, you agree OP is full of shit and making up their scenario, right?
Nobody is placing their kid into shitty PS 35 whatever in NYC.
I am OP. New York City is different. We do not have a "zoned" school. There is a complex HS admissions process that involves tests, lotteries, and/or auditions if your child is artsy. My older child goes to a test-in school that is almost painfully rigorous. My younger one did not pass that test, and is in a lottery school that is known to be "nice" - supportive, families who generally care about education - but is not at all rigorous. Parents openly complain that their kids do not pass the AP tests - of course some do, but the level of teaching and learning simply isn't comparable. I would be surprised if kids are getting 4's and 5's without any outside tutoring.
Having 2 kids in very different schools is not an uncommon scenario at all in NYC, I realize it is different elsewhere in the country.
Anyway, it seems kind of wild to me that colleges take on face value that getting A's in an AP class is the same from school to school. They use SAT scores as a check on grade inflation to an extent, but don't use AP scores the same way - why not?
Both high schools my kids have attended have published AP scores in the school profile, one down the class, the other just a tally of scores in general. I wonder if the easy A schools that have low scores just leave that data off?
Anonymous wrote:I am in NYC, so maybe it is different elsewhere in the country. But there is SO much difference in rigor between various schools, especially in AP classes. My older kid goes to a selective school where the AP classes involve mountains of homework, and the level of teaching assumes every kid will get a 5 on the test (most do). Taking more than 4 APs per year is practically a death sentence, though there are always kids who do it to chase Ivies. My younger kid goes to a school where the AP classes are more challenging than non, but only slightly. There's test re-takes and tons of extra credit available, so a reasonable amount of effort is basically a guaranteed A grade. A course load of 4 - 5 APs is a relative breeze. Of course, most kids get 2's, if they even take the tests, since they clearly aren't prepared. Ironically, younger kids' school does very well with college placements, probably bc of the APs. But it honestly doesn't seem fair for colleges to view these AP classes as equivalent - objectively, they aren't. The same curriculum can look very difference in practice. Thoughts?
So, why does one kid go to a good school and the other a shitty school?
Your scenario sounds contrived to spur debate.
I’m not OP, but like OP I have one kid at each kind of school. They’re at different schools because DC1’s school is selective, and DC2 didn’t get in.
That’s why it’s impossible to say what’s “fair.” True, DC1 works much harder than DC2 for the same grade in what is nominally the same class. That doesn’t seem fair. But DC2 doesn’t even have the opportunity to take the more rigorous classes, and that doesn’t seem fair either.
I just don’t know anyone in NYC that sends their kid to a local public HS. They go selective or charter or private.
I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist.
I'm in NY. Not sure what you mean by charter. Brooklyn Prospect? Success Academy? We dont have many charters, and they're not in demand.
But PLENTY go public. Never mind the SHS schools like Stuy and Bronx Sci and Laguardia. Here are regular public schools - go ahead and look up their college placement. Eleanor Roosevelt. NEST, Columbia Secondary, Beacon. Lab. Clinton. Townsend Harris. Baruch, Manhattan Hunter, Special Music School, The Bards (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx), Frank Sinatra, Museum, Hunter, ischool, Millennium, Dual Lang/Asian Affairs, SOF, Bacc School ... on and on
I won’t look them all up but the first one you list (Eleanor Roosevelt) has an entire application and admissions process with priority given to kids that meet academic screening.
That doesn’t sound like a school you just walk in and register for, nor does it sound like a school where all the kids get a 1 or 2 on the AP tests.
But that's not school works in NYC. You can't just walk into ANY high school and register your kid. That ends for us in grade school (5th). We have a middle school application process (limited to your district, but our districts are big - this is when most kids start commuting via subway to school). And then our high school application process is citywide. You have an academic "tier" based on grades and then a RAN (random assigned number aka lottery number). You get some preference if you're SWD or ELL or are very very low income. You also have an Ed Opt category.
Some schools want essays, some schools don't look at tiers (Beacon, one of the best, is essay only), some only look at Ed Opt (so take equal high, medium, low levels of kids .. so yes, kids who get 1s on APs are in same school as some of the best students), some want a portfolio or audition. You rank your choices and then you hope to get placed in one of your top options.
If you move to NYC while your kids are in high school, you still can't just walk in and register. That's not EVER a thing. You go to a Family Welcome Center and you get placed in whatever school has seats.
So when you say "I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist." that's 100% bullshit. You clearly know nothing about how the system works or who attends public school. Thousands of kids who end up in top colleges are in very strong public schools in nyc.
I was 100% correct that any person that cares about their kid sends them to an application high school that doesn’t have kids getting 1s and 2s on AP tests.
So, you agree OP is full of shit and making up their scenario, right?
Nobody is placing their kid into shitty PS 35 whatever in NYC.
I am OP. New York City is different. We do not have a "zoned" school. There is a complex HS admissions process that involves tests, lotteries, and/or auditions if your child is artsy. My older child goes to a test-in school that is almost painfully rigorous. My younger one did not pass that test, and is in a lottery school that is known to be "nice" - supportive, families who generally care about education - but is not at all rigorous. Parents openly complain that their kids do not pass the AP tests - of course some do, but the level of teaching and learning simply isn't comparable. I would be surprised if kids are getting 4's and 5's without any outside tutoring.
Having 2 kids in very different schools is not an uncommon scenario at all in NYC, I realize it is different elsewhere in the country.
Anyway, it seems kind of wild to me that colleges take on face value that getting A's in an AP class is the same from school to school. They use SAT scores as a check on grade inflation to an extent, but don't use AP scores the same way - why not?
I dont get your argument. All classes are graded differently. Even within a school you might get the easy chemistry teacher or the hard one.
APs, at least, have a standardized test that kind of acts like a final exam across schools.
But colleges don't look at AP scores.
huh? of course they do
Depends…when you submit common app for some schools, the AP grades don’t show on what is getting submitted, even though they are input.
Maybe this is only flagships. At least one top 50 public didn’t have AP scores transfer over. My kid thought it was a glitch and actually emailed the AO rep who told him they don’t look at scores for admission and it wasn’t a glitch.
Anonymous wrote:I am in NYC, so maybe it is different elsewhere in the country. But there is SO much difference in rigor between various schools, especially in AP classes. My older kid goes to a selective school where the AP classes involve mountains of homework, and the level of teaching assumes every kid will get a 5 on the test (most do). Taking more than 4 APs per year is practically a death sentence, though there are always kids who do it to chase Ivies. My younger kid goes to a school where the AP classes are more challenging than non, but only slightly. There's test re-takes and tons of extra credit available, so a reasonable amount of effort is basically a guaranteed A grade. A course load of 4 - 5 APs is a relative breeze. Of course, most kids get 2's, if they even take the tests, since they clearly aren't prepared. Ironically, younger kids' school does very well with college placements, probably bc of the APs. But it honestly doesn't seem fair for colleges to view these AP classes as equivalent - objectively, they aren't. The same curriculum can look very difference in practice. Thoughts?
So, why does one kid go to a good school and the other a shitty school?
Your scenario sounds contrived to spur debate.
I’m not OP, but like OP I have one kid at each kind of school. They’re at different schools because DC1’s school is selective, and DC2 didn’t get in.
That’s why it’s impossible to say what’s “fair.” True, DC1 works much harder than DC2 for the same grade in what is nominally the same class. That doesn’t seem fair. But DC2 doesn’t even have the opportunity to take the more rigorous classes, and that doesn’t seem fair either.
I just don’t know anyone in NYC that sends their kid to a local public HS. They go selective or charter or private.
I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist.
I'm in NY. Not sure what you mean by charter. Brooklyn Prospect? Success Academy? We dont have many charters, and they're not in demand.
But PLENTY go public. Never mind the SHS schools like Stuy and Bronx Sci and Laguardia. Here are regular public schools - go ahead and look up their college placement. Eleanor Roosevelt. NEST, Columbia Secondary, Beacon. Lab. Clinton. Townsend Harris. Baruch, Manhattan Hunter, Special Music School, The Bards (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx), Frank Sinatra, Museum, Hunter, ischool, Millennium, Dual Lang/Asian Affairs, SOF, Bacc School ... on and on
I won’t look them all up but the first one you list (Eleanor Roosevelt) has an entire application and admissions process with priority given to kids that meet academic screening.
That doesn’t sound like a school you just walk in and register for, nor does it sound like a school where all the kids get a 1 or 2 on the AP tests.
But that's not school works in NYC. You can't just walk into ANY high school and register your kid. That ends for us in grade school (5th). We have a middle school application process (limited to your district, but our districts are big - this is when most kids start commuting via subway to school). And then our high school application process is citywide. You have an academic "tier" based on grades and then a RAN (random assigned number aka lottery number). You get some preference if you're SWD or ELL or are very very low income. You also have an Ed Opt category.
Some schools want essays, some schools don't look at tiers (Beacon, one of the best, is essay only), some only look at Ed Opt (so take equal high, medium, low levels of kids .. so yes, kids who get 1s on APs are in same school as some of the best students), some want a portfolio or audition. You rank your choices and then you hope to get placed in one of your top options.
If you move to NYC while your kids are in high school, you still can't just walk in and register. That's not EVER a thing. You go to a Family Welcome Center and you get placed in whatever school has seats.
So when you say "I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist." that's 100% bullshit. You clearly know nothing about how the system works or who attends public school. Thousands of kids who end up in top colleges are in very strong public schools in nyc.
I was 100% correct that any person that cares about their kid sends them to an application high school that doesn’t have kids getting 1s and 2s on AP tests.
So, you agree OP is full of shit and making up their scenario, right?
Nobody is placing their kid into shitty PS 35 whatever in NYC.
that would be a grade school, know-nothing. any *everyone* in a public nyc high school is in an "application high school". we have an application process for ALL high schools.
it's okay that you dont know anything about this. it is. just stop talking.
Uhh…no it isn’t…do a google search right now…then report back apologizing.
I live in nyc. It's 100% true that we have a complication high school admissions process. Every high school requires you to go through the process. They have varied rubrics ,but they all require it. You can't just walk in a register. (you can if you move to town mid-year - you have to go to the FWC in your borough and you get assigned a school w seats. But that's the only way of getting in without applying)
I was referring to PS35 which is in fact a high school.
Stop. PS35 is a D75 school with kids from k to 12th grade. District 75 is a special citywide district in NYC for kids with significant disabilities, often multiple disabilities. They're small schools with 1:1 or 1:6 student/faculty numbers. They have dedicated transportation programs. My kids grade school was co-located with a D75 school and these kids are f'n fighters. And their teachers and paras are heroes. These are not students on a college tract and it's 100% unnecessary to bring them into this conversation to prop up your bullshit ignorant arguments about how the NYC high school system works. A topic you know nothing about.
Anonymous wrote:I am in NYC, so maybe it is different elsewhere in the country. But there is SO much difference in rigor between various schools, especially in AP classes. My older kid goes to a selective school where the AP classes involve mountains of homework, and the level of teaching assumes every kid will get a 5 on the test (most do). Taking more than 4 APs per year is practically a death sentence, though there are always kids who do it to chase Ivies. My younger kid goes to a school where the AP classes are more challenging than non, but only slightly. There's test re-takes and tons of extra credit available, so a reasonable amount of effort is basically a guaranteed A grade. A course load of 4 - 5 APs is a relative breeze. Of course, most kids get 2's, if they even take the tests, since they clearly aren't prepared. Ironically, younger kids' school does very well with college placements, probably bc of the APs. But it honestly doesn't seem fair for colleges to view these AP classes as equivalent - objectively, they aren't. The same curriculum can look very difference in practice. Thoughts?
So, why does one kid go to a good school and the other a shitty school?
Your scenario sounds contrived to spur debate.
I’m not OP, but like OP I have one kid at each kind of school. They’re at different schools because DC1’s school is selective, and DC2 didn’t get in.
That’s why it’s impossible to say what’s “fair.” True, DC1 works much harder than DC2 for the same grade in what is nominally the same class. That doesn’t seem fair. But DC2 doesn’t even have the opportunity to take the more rigorous classes, and that doesn’t seem fair either.
I just don’t know anyone in NYC that sends their kid to a local public HS. They go selective or charter or private.
I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist.
I'm in NY. Not sure what you mean by charter. Brooklyn Prospect? Success Academy? We dont have many charters, and they're not in demand.
But PLENTY go public. Never mind the SHS schools like Stuy and Bronx Sci and Laguardia. Here are regular public schools - go ahead and look up their college placement. Eleanor Roosevelt. NEST, Columbia Secondary, Beacon. Lab. Clinton. Townsend Harris. Baruch, Manhattan Hunter, Special Music School, The Bards (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx), Frank Sinatra, Museum, Hunter, ischool, Millennium, Dual Lang/Asian Affairs, SOF, Bacc School ... on and on
I won’t look them all up but the first one you list (Eleanor Roosevelt) has an entire application and admissions process with priority given to kids that meet academic screening.
That doesn’t sound like a school you just walk in and register for, nor does it sound like a school where all the kids get a 1 or 2 on the AP tests.
But that's not school works in NYC. You can't just walk into ANY high school and register your kid. That ends for us in grade school (5th). We have a middle school application process (limited to your district, but our districts are big - this is when most kids start commuting via subway to school). And then our high school application process is citywide. You have an academic "tier" based on grades and then a RAN (random assigned number aka lottery number). You get some preference if you're SWD or ELL or are very very low income. You also have an Ed Opt category.
Some schools want essays, some schools don't look at tiers (Beacon, one of the best, is essay only), some only look at Ed Opt (so take equal high, medium, low levels of kids .. so yes, kids who get 1s on APs are in same school as some of the best students), some want a portfolio or audition. You rank your choices and then you hope to get placed in one of your top options.
If you move to NYC while your kids are in high school, you still can't just walk in and register. That's not EVER a thing. You go to a Family Welcome Center and you get placed in whatever school has seats.
So when you say "I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist." that's 100% bullshit. You clearly know nothing about how the system works or who attends public school. Thousands of kids who end up in top colleges are in very strong public schools in nyc.
I was 100% correct that any person that cares about their kid sends them to an application high school that doesn’t have kids getting 1s and 2s on AP tests.
So, you agree OP is full of shit and making up their scenario, right?
Nobody is placing their kid into shitty PS 35 whatever in NYC.
Did you really mean "35" or are you just making up a number because you are totally ignorant of how NYC schools work?
Anonymous wrote:I am in NYC, so maybe it is different elsewhere in the country. But there is SO much difference in rigor between various schools, especially in AP classes. My older kid goes to a selective school where the AP classes involve mountains of homework, and the level of teaching assumes every kid will get a 5 on the test (most do). Taking more than 4 APs per year is practically a death sentence, though there are always kids who do it to chase Ivies. My younger kid goes to a school where the AP classes are more challenging than non, but only slightly. There's test re-takes and tons of extra credit available, so a reasonable amount of effort is basically a guaranteed A grade. A course load of 4 - 5 APs is a relative breeze. Of course, most kids get 2's, if they even take the tests, since they clearly aren't prepared. Ironically, younger kids' school does very well with college placements, probably bc of the APs. But it honestly doesn't seem fair for colleges to view these AP classes as equivalent - objectively, they aren't. The same curriculum can look very difference in practice. Thoughts?
So, why does one kid go to a good school and the other a shitty school?
Your scenario sounds contrived to spur debate.
I’m not OP, but like OP I have one kid at each kind of school. They’re at different schools because DC1’s school is selective, and DC2 didn’t get in.
That’s why it’s impossible to say what’s “fair.” True, DC1 works much harder than DC2 for the same grade in what is nominally the same class. That doesn’t seem fair. But DC2 doesn’t even have the opportunity to take the more rigorous classes, and that doesn’t seem fair either.
I just don’t know anyone in NYC that sends their kid to a local public HS. They go selective or charter or private.
I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist.
I'm in NY. Not sure what you mean by charter. Brooklyn Prospect? Success Academy? We dont have many charters, and they're not in demand.
But PLENTY go public. Never mind the SHS schools like Stuy and Bronx Sci and Laguardia. Here are regular public schools - go ahead and look up their college placement. Eleanor Roosevelt. NEST, Columbia Secondary, Beacon. Lab. Clinton. Townsend Harris. Baruch, Manhattan Hunter, Special Music School, The Bards (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx), Frank Sinatra, Museum, Hunter, ischool, Millennium, Dual Lang/Asian Affairs, SOF, Bacc School ... on and on
I won’t look them all up but the first one you list (Eleanor Roosevelt) has an entire application and admissions process with priority given to kids that meet academic screening.
That doesn’t sound like a school you just walk in and register for, nor does it sound like a school where all the kids get a 1 or 2 on the AP tests.
But that's not school works in NYC. You can't just walk into ANY high school and register your kid. That ends for us in grade school (5th). We have a middle school application process (limited to your district, but our districts are big - this is when most kids start commuting via subway to school). And then our high school application process is citywide. You have an academic "tier" based on grades and then a RAN (random assigned number aka lottery number). You get some preference if you're SWD or ELL or are very very low income. You also have an Ed Opt category.
Some schools want essays, some schools don't look at tiers (Beacon, one of the best, is essay only), some only look at Ed Opt (so take equal high, medium, low levels of kids .. so yes, kids who get 1s on APs are in same school as some of the best students), some want a portfolio or audition. You rank your choices and then you hope to get placed in one of your top options.
If you move to NYC while your kids are in high school, you still can't just walk in and register. That's not EVER a thing. You go to a Family Welcome Center and you get placed in whatever school has seats.
So when you say "I mean nobody…no one..zero. It’s the equivalent of someone saying I send one kid in DC to Walls and the other to Anacostia High. That family doesn’t exist." that's 100% bullshit. You clearly know nothing about how the system works or who attends public school. Thousands of kids who end up in top colleges are in very strong public schools in nyc.
I was 100% correct that any person that cares about their kid sends them to an application high school that doesn’t have kids getting 1s and 2s on AP tests.
So, you agree OP is full of shit and making up their scenario, right?
Nobody is placing their kid into shitty PS 35 whatever in NYC.
I am OP. New York City is different. We do not have a "zoned" school. There is a complex HS admissions process that involves tests, lotteries, and/or auditions if your child is artsy. My older child goes to a test-in school that is almost painfully rigorous. My younger one did not pass that test, and is in a lottery school that is known to be "nice" - supportive, families who generally care about education - but is not at all rigorous. Parents openly complain that their kids do not pass the AP tests - of course some do, but the level of teaching and learning simply isn't comparable. I would be surprised if kids are getting 4's and 5's without any outside tutoring.
Having 2 kids in very different schools is not an uncommon scenario at all in NYC, I realize it is different elsewhere in the country.
Anyway, it seems kind of wild to me that colleges take on face value that getting A's in an AP class is the same from school to school. They use SAT scores as a check on grade inflation to an extent, but don't use AP scores the same way - why not?
I dont get your argument. All classes are graded differently. Even within a school you might get the easy chemistry teacher or the hard one.
APs, at least, have a standardized test that kind of acts like a final exam across schools.
But colleges don't look at AP scores.
They certainly do at many highly selective schools if submitted. Case in point from Yale:
“All first-year and transfer applicants are required to submit scores from one or more of the following test types: ACT, Advanced Placement (AP), International Baccalaureate (IB), or SAT. Yale does not prefer one type of test over the others, and there is no minimum required number of scores. Prospective applicants and their college counselors or advisors are in the best position to consider their available scores and to decide which to include with an application. We advise selecting scores that you are proud of, that reflect one of more areas of your academic strength, that supplement the courses and grades on your transcript, and that reflect your sense of your own preparation for college. If you completed an AP-designated course in high school and completed the exam, we recommend including your score, even if you fulfill Yale’s testing requirement with the ACT or SAT.”
Same for teachers, grading, retake policy, and curriculum.
Kid 1: generous retakes, participation and homework counts to help fluff an A- to an A.
Kid 2: project based learning, effort = A
Kid 3: only tests count (50 questions) , work leading up to test nothing like elevated difficulty of exams, hw, claswork, quizzes not inc in grade. Missing a few test ?s can still equal a good grade. No retakes
Kid 4: same as 3 except times tests 8-10 question each. Missing one means the grade has dipped significantly.
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