If your kid scored super high on MAP….

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Honestly, the complaint about boredom was a significant tell for both my kids who have ADHD Inattentive + very high IQ. Sitting in a boring class is torture for them in a way that it is not for other non-ADHD or non-high IQ kids.

It's fine if a teacher recognizes it and excuses the kid from the low or grade level work and provides a higher level substitute. But many teachers are sticklers or, worse, punitive, and that can be hard for kids to manage, particularly when young.

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Anonymous wrote:Work with your kid on not being bored. My kid has similar scores and loves school / is not bored. His ability to read and interpret text and complete math problems are far ahead of his peers, he is 8, there is SO MUCH he doesn’t know. His class may be working on literacy and phonics, but he is learning about folk tales and ancient civilizations from the texts they are reading in class. The school librarian helped him find more books on the same topics they are covering in language arts and he is allowed to read those at his desk if he finishes his work early.

My other child is bright, but not as significantly ahead of grade level as his brother. However he is a know it all and frequently tells us at him “I know!” In an exasperated tone. We talk about this a lot because I don’t want him to be rude to a teacher or make his peers feel ashamed or behind. I tell him that while he may know how to solve a math problem, he may not know the method being taught and he should challenge himself to show his work and solve the same problem more than one way. Instead of being smug, we are working with him to make sure he is reading the whole question, showing his work, etc.

My husband and I were both in gifted programs as kids and among the youngest kids in our grade. We don’t see any need to rush our kids in elementary just because they can technically meet grade level standards. We think it’s more important for our kids to learn good habits and have a deep and robust understanding of the concepts they are learning now since they are building blocks for more complex work to come.

There is a difference between being precocious like my know it all older child and truly gifted like my younger one who seems to intuitively understand math concepts in a way that constantly amazes us. Tests reward the precocious and well behaved kids a lot and it’s easy for them to blaze through younger grades with tons of praise and then hit a wall when work gets hard. You need to work on growth mindset with those kids so they don’t develop a sense of self based on being “smart” and then fall apart when they eventually struggle. Truly gifted kids can find ways to go deeper and get more out of what they are learning in class - or you can help them find ways to entertain themselves without being disruptive.

Very few kids are soooooo advanced that the need to skip a grade outweighs the social and emotional benefit of being with same age peers.

Great advice. Very few parents of younger kids have this foresight. Totally agree with what you said about the truly gifted finding their own ways to learn and entertain themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

What school is that?

This is obviously a made up mocking post.

[Anonymous]

OP, I'd recommend looking into Russian Math School or Art of Problem Solving or another similar program. I put my daughter (218 in 2nd fwiw) into AOPS this fall and she is loving it.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, the complaint about boredom was a significant tell for both my kids who have ADHD Inattentive + very high IQ. Sitting in a boring class is torture for them in a way that it is not for other non-ADHD or non-high IQ kids.

It's fine if a teacher recognizes it and excuses the kid from the low or grade level work and provides a higher level substitute. But many teachers are sticklers or, worse, punitive, and that can be hard for kids to manage, particularly when young.

You need some autism to cure than boredom. ADD causes boredom because they are restraining from follow their attentional whims.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

A whole bunch of kids in second grade are not scoring 230+ on the second grade fall map-m. 205 is the beginning of 99th percentile for second grade fall map-m.

That is nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

A whole bunch of kids in second grade are not scoring 230+ on the second grade fall map-m. 205 is the beginning of 99th percentile for second grade fall map-m.

That is nonsense.

Obviously not your math score, since you can't distinguish "1 kid" from "a whole bunch". Maybe kid gets it from the other parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

A whole bunch of kids in second grade are not scoring 230+ on the second grade fall map-m. 205 is the beginning of 99th percentile for second grade fall map-m.

That is nonsense.

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These scores are incredibly rare, though (and as you can see, highly unstable in the lower grades)

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Anonymous wrote:Your child will not be allowed to skip a grade.

If your child is in a very low performing school,they might be allowed to skip a grade. But then you have two problems.

[Anonymous]

I think 240's in second grade would probably get considered for skipping a grade if that is what you want. That puts you in the 99th percentile of fourth graders.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I'd recommend looking into Russian Math School or Art of Problem Solving or another similar program. I put my daughter (218 in 2nd fwiw) into AOPS this fall and she is loving it.

Thanks for the info

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Anonymous wrote:And often complains of being bored in school, would you consider asking for them to skip a grade?

We just got the MAP scores back for my third grader. This is the first time they have reading added. With all the talk about how scores go down between 2nd and 3rd and how the test was renowned I was expecting to see the math go down.

Kid scored 99th percentile in both. No wonder he’s bored. 241 on math and 225 on reading. I know the lottery for CES is coming up and compacted math next year, but is it worth talking to the school at this point to see how we can support him? Besides opting for private school, anything else we can do at this point?

I would hang on til you can get him into a magnet. Keep him reading. Buy him this book: The Number Devil by Hans Magnus Enzensburger (delightful math story). Let him get cool books out of the library about stuff he's interested in. EVen if they're way about his pay grade.

I feel for you - I had a kid like that. Once he's with his peers he'll be okay. Til then - supplement in FUN ways, not boring tutoring or whatever.

Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 240's in second grade would probably get considered for skipping a grade if that is what you want. That puts you in the 99th percentile of fourth graders.

Sure, if you go to a school system where the only subject is math.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 240's in second grade would probably get considered for skipping a grade if that is what you want. That puts you in the 99th percentile of fourth graders.

Sure, if you go to a school system where the only subject is math.

+ 1. My 5th grader has been consistently 99 percent in math every MAP test since kindergarten. No formal supplementation, kid just absorbs math. The same is definitely not true for other subjects and the school has never mentioned skipping. There are several other kids with similar scores too.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 240's in second grade would probably get considered for skipping a grade if that is what you want. That puts you in the 99th percentile of fourth graders.

No it would not.