If your kid scored super high on MAP….

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I can be the OP's Voice of Chistmas Future and say that those scores are pretty much exactly the same as my kids' in middle elementary. Those kids are now successful MS and HS students in magnet programs, but they are not particularly exceptional within their programs. They are bright and curious and happy and successful, but there are plenty of kids blowing the roof off tests, taking pre-calculus in 9th grade, etc. My kids (and OP's it seems) are run of the mill smart, which I actually think is kind of a sweet spot.

This is 100% my take as well (I'm 10:52). There really isn't any difference in future success between kids who score at the 95th percentile versus kids who score at the 99th. I'd rather my kid be happy and socially adjusted than pushed along too hard and too fast just so I can have bragging rights.

That kid who had to walk to Wootton every day from Frost? (Yeah yeah yeah, something something W schools and acceleration... this was 20 years ago, so before Frost added both Geometry and Algebra II to their curriculum.) Barely graduated high school. Flunked out of college. He's definitely not doing better than my non-accelerated ass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

This is, roughly, our experience. DC has the same percentile score, different grade. Only one kid in that grade at that school has a higher score.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

There is no school with a GT cut off requiring third grade fall map-m of 250. Nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

you are either lying nor clueless. the math score is great and rare for a 3rd grader.

I would share the numbers I'm looking at but don't think it's allowed. Go ahead and submit a request for the numbers of scores or find a more comprehensive MAP report that breaks out the score ranges by school and test administration, it's all allowed by the public information act.

I don't need to do any of this. I have 3 kids in MCPS, one at a magnet. People on DCUM make you feel like every kid in MCPS is 99.9999th percentile. Meanwhile, a vast majority of kids at my kids' schools are dumb as rocks.

Right and I agree that may not be the norm.

Don't know if you're the original poster I was responding to but my issue is that they claimed anyone that said their child scored 265 or higher is a liar.

But I can say for a fact it is indeed possible to score that and higher. Those students are probably towards the top end, maybe just a handful.

And with the OP talking about considering having their child skip a grade, I'm just being honest. 241 in MAP Math at grade 3 isn't considered that high at my kid's school. So think they still have some room to learn at their current grade level.

I am not that poster. In fact, I responded on the first page saying that these are no prodigy level scores and the idea of skipping grades based on that score and being bored is ridiculous. I know there exist some very high scores in this district - a district that has something like 12k students per grade. I understand the difference between high and very high and exceptionally high scores.

But DCUM is totally insane when it comes to these scores. Unless your kid scored 320+ in K every score is "very common", "nothing special" and "my own kid scored higher". This is not reality of the schools in MCPS, including "best" schools and most selective magnet programs. The number of kids with exceptionally high scores is very small at the district level (to say nothing about individual schools).

NP. In general, I agree with you. In this specific case, OP needs a reality check. Those scores for fall of 3rd grade are good but they aren't off the charts, and OP would do well to understand that 99th percentile nationally still means there are thousands of kids like hers in MCPS and likely hundreds in the same grade level.

I can be the OP's Voice of Chistmas Future and say that those scores are pretty much exactly the same as my kids' in middle elementary. Those kids are now successful MS and HS students in magnet programs, but they are not particularly exceptional within their programs. They are bright and curious and happy and successful, but there are plenty of kids blowing the roof off tests, taking pre-calculus in 9th grade, etc. My kids (and OP's it seems) are run of the mill smart, which I actually think is kind of a sweet spot.

There already was a discussion about this recently where people claimed that something like 15% of MCPS students (so around 1800 per grade) are 99th percentile nationally (MAP-M). This is not true. At all.

Also, not being exceptional at a magnet program that accepts 1 in 10 (above average) applicants hardly shows that there are "hundreds of kids like this per class in MCPS". Average student at Blair SMCS is likely a top 100 student in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Another damn thread on same topic????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

There is no school with a GT cut off requiring third grade fall map-m of 250. Nonsense.

250 sounds suspiciously like cutoff for Algebra 1 in sixth grade. This MAP-M score is used at some schools for fifth graders (!!) to put them at the fastest math track available. A very small number of students is in on this track (around 15 out of 400 at one of the mid-low farms middle schools).

But, all of a sudden, every other MCPS third grader has already reached this level. If only!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

What school is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another damn thread on same topic????

SEARCH, READ the forum for MANY threads around this. This is MCPS, your Larla and Larlo are not impressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

There is no school with a GT cut off requiring third grade fall map-m of 250. Nonsense.

250 sounds suspiciously like cutoff for Algebra 1 in sixth grade. This MAP-M score is used at some schools for fifth graders (!!) to put them at the fastest math track available. A very small number of students is in on this track (around 15 out of 400 at one of the mid-low farms middle schools).

But, all of a sudden, every other MCPS third grader has already reached this level. If only!

Yeah.. fifth grade Map-M score of 244 in the fall and 258 in the spring is the beginning of 99th percentile. 250 in the spring in 5th grade probably puts you around 95th percentile which is likely acceptable for GT in middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

Median MAP-M score for students accepted to Blair SMCS is in the 270s. These are 8th grade scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

A whole bunch of kids in second grade are not scoring 230+ on the second grade fall map-m. 205 is the beginning of 99th percentile for second grade fall map-m.

That is nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

Median MAP-M score for students accepted to Blair SMCS is in the 270s. These are 8th grade scores.

8th grade map-m score of 269 in the fall and 277 in the spring are beginning of 99th percentile. So if the median is in the 270's then there are probably kids being accepted with score as low as 95th percentile.

[Anonymous]

8th grade spring map-m score of 265 is around 95th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.

But my DC got 242 in Map-m and several of her friends got 230+ so we do feel like lots of kids got 99%. She's in grade 2.

Median MAP-M score for students accepted to Blair SMCS is in the 270s. These are 8th grade scores.

8th grade map-m score of 269 in the fall and 277 in the spring are beginning of 99th percentile. So if the median is in the 270's then there are probably kids being accepted with score as low as 95th percentile.

These are fall 8th scores.