If your kid scored super high on MAP….

[Anonymous]

Teach your kid to self-educate while in school and at home. At school they should be able to read a few hundred pages of advanced fiction and non fiction a day.

[Anonymous]

My kid had similar scores in 3rd grade and also complained about being bored. He's in the enriched ELC and compacted math now, and there's been a bit of an adjustment period and he's no longer effortlessly getting straight As. He's already one of the youngest in his class (birthday right before the Sept 1st cutoff) and while I'm glad I didn't redshirt him, I wouldn't want him to skip any grades either.

If he's such a prodigy outlier, you can always put him into more challenging extracurriculars or make arrangements through the school. I dated a guy who would walk up the hill to Wootton from Frost every day to take more advanced math classes. But I have known a lot of gifted kids who burned out in high pressure high school environments, and it would probably be MORE damaging to your kid if they were on an accelerated track and then had to drop back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

[Anonymous]

pp from 11:28 I just did a quick search and found this:
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2023/Linking%20MAP%20and%20MCAP%20FINAL.pdf

And on page 12, it shows how there are max scores of 278 for MAP Math in grade 3.

I didn't fully read the document and am not sure if it's totally applicable. But my kids have said some of their classmates scored close to that range. And knowing those kids and their families I have no reason to not believe it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

you are either lying nor clueless. the math score is great and rare for a 3rd grader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

you are either lying nor clueless. the math score is great and rare for a 3rd grader.

I would share the numbers I'm looking at but don't think it's allowed. Go ahead and submit a request for the numbers of scores or find a more comprehensive MAP report that breaks out the score ranges by school and test administration, it's all allowed by the public information act.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

you are either lying nor clueless. the math score is great and rare for a 3rd grader.

I would share the numbers I'm looking at but don't think it's allowed. Go ahead and submit a request for the numbers of scores or find a more comprehensive MAP report that breaks out the score ranges by school and test administration, it's all allowed by the public information act.

I don't need to do any of this. I have 3 kids in MCPS, one at a magnet. People on DCUM make you feel like every kid in MCPS is 99.9999th percentile. Meanwhile, a vast majority of kids at my kids' schools are dumb as rocks.

[Anonymous]

Oh, and we are at the wealthy W feeder that is supposedly teeming with geniuses.

[Anonymous]

My DC back in 3rd grade scored 260 in MAP-M and 240 in MAP-R. Nothing happened until 4th grade. The best your DC can get from MCPS is ELC/CES in ELA and Compact math 4/5 and 5/6.

Anonymous wrote:And often complains of being bored in school, would you consider asking for them to skip a grade?

We just got the MAP scores back for my third grader. This is the first time they have reading added. With all the talk about how scores go down between 2nd and 3rd and how the test was renowned I was expecting to see the math go down.

Kid scored 99th percentile in both. No wonder he’s bored. 241 on math and 225 on reading. I know the lottery for CES is coming up and compacted math next year, but is it worth talking to the school at this point to see how we can support him? Besides opting for private school, anything else we can do at this point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

you are either lying nor clueless. the math score is great and rare for a 3rd grader.

I would share the numbers I'm looking at but don't think it's allowed. Go ahead and submit a request for the numbers of scores or find a more comprehensive MAP report that breaks out the score ranges by school and test administration, it's all allowed by the public information act.

I don't need to do any of this. I have 3 kids in MCPS, one at a magnet. People on DCUM make you feel like every kid in MCPS is 99.9999th percentile. Meanwhile, a vast majority of kids at my kids' schools are dumb as rocks.

Right and I agree that may not be the norm.

Don't know if you're the original poster I was responding to but my issue is that they claimed anyone that said their child scored 265 or higher is a liar.

But I can say for a fact it is indeed possible to score that and higher. Those students are probably towards the top end, maybe just a handful.

And with the OP talking about considering having their child skip a grade, I'm just being honest. 241 in MAP Math at grade 3 isn't considered that high at my kid's school. So think they still have some room to learn at their current grade level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

you are either lying nor clueless. the math score is great and rare for a 3rd grader.

I would share the numbers I'm looking at but don't think it's allowed. Go ahead and submit a request for the numbers of scores or find a more comprehensive MAP report that breaks out the score ranges by school and test administration, it's all allowed by the public information act.

I don't need to do any of this. I have 3 kids in MCPS, one at a magnet. People on DCUM make you feel like every kid in MCPS is 99.9999th percentile. Meanwhile, a vast majority of kids at my kids' schools are dumb as rocks.

Right and I agree that may not be the norm.

Don't know if you're the original poster I was responding to but my issue is that they claimed anyone that said their child scored 265 or higher is a liar.

But I can say for a fact it is indeed possible to score that and higher. Those students are probably towards the top end, maybe just a handful.

And with the OP talking about considering having their child skip a grade, I'm just being honest. 241 in MAP Math at grade 3 isn't considered that high at my kid's school. So think they still have some room to learn at their current grade level.

I am not that poster. In fact, I responded on the first page saying that these are no prodigy level scores and the idea of skipping grades based on that score and being bored is ridiculous. I know there exist some very high scores in this district - a district that has something like 12k students per grade. I understand the difference between high and very high and exceptionally high scores.

But DCUM is totally insane when it comes to these scores. Unless your kid scored 320+ in K every score is "very common", "nothing special" and "my own kid scored higher". This is not reality of the schools in MCPS, including "best" schools and most selective magnet programs. The number of kids with exceptionally high scores is very small at the district level (to say nothing about individual schools).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Please be careful about the scores posters throw around on here.

The 3rd grade 265 MAP-M score a PP just wrote about never happened. Judging by the MCPS Central Office discussions about high MAP scores, and an examination of the top scores received in each school, which are not made public but that I have seen in recent years, that number is made-up.

OP, your kid's math score is commendably high, the verbal is less special. Your kid will get into compacted math (CES or not) and still be bored. The great lesson of life for such children is that boredom should not equal unhappiness. My kids were certainly not challenged in school, but that didn't mean they were unhappy. Creativity and curiosity emerge from boredom.

My oldest is thriving in college. In K-12, they chose interesting intellectual and sporty activities for themselves outside of school, and read like crazy during school hours.

No skipping ahead. No private. You want to save your ammunition for tutoring and test prep (even gifted kids sometimes need a little boost), as well as college savings. An academically easy child like this is made for a good public school, where they can sweep all the APs without turning a hair, and make a soft landing at a great college. Money for tuition, on the other hand, might be harder to come by, even with the demographic cliff predicted for your kid's age group. My son goes to an 85K a year private university. In-state is 30-40K a year nowadays. Total cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, fees, etc). Tuition has always risen faster than inflation on average.

Not the previous poster but I work with MAP scores and it is indeed possible to get a 265 in MAP math in third grade and higher.

At my kids school, students compare their MAP scores and there are a couple that have higher than 265 and at our school the OP's kid's scores isn't that great. I forget what the cut off to get into the GT program is, like 250?

Which brings me to the next point. If OP's child really isn't academically being challenged they can look into the GT program or similar programs, I don't think they mentioned what grade their child is in.

But keep in mind there are other factors that they evaluate in addition to test scores, such as the maturity level of kids.

you are either lying nor clueless. the math score is great and rare for a 3rd grader.

I would share the numbers I'm looking at but don't think it's allowed. Go ahead and submit a request for the numbers of scores or find a more comprehensive MAP report that breaks out the score ranges by school and test administration, it's all allowed by the public information act.

I don't need to do any of this. I have 3 kids in MCPS, one at a magnet. People on DCUM make you feel like every kid in MCPS is 99.9999th percentile. Meanwhile, a vast majority of kids at my kids' schools are dumb as rocks.

Right and I agree that may not be the norm.

Don't know if you're the original poster I was responding to but my issue is that they claimed anyone that said their child scored 265 or higher is a liar.

But I can say for a fact it is indeed possible to score that and higher. Those students are probably towards the top end, maybe just a handful.

And with the OP talking about considering having their child skip a grade, I'm just being honest. 241 in MAP Math at grade 3 isn't considered that high at my kid's school. So think they still have some room to learn at their current grade level.

I am not that poster. In fact, I responded on the first page saying that these are no prodigy level scores and the idea of skipping grades based on that score and being bored is ridiculous. I know there exist some very high scores in this district - a district that has something like 12k students per grade. I understand the difference between high and very high and exceptionally high scores.

But DCUM is totally insane when it comes to these scores. Unless your kid scored 320+ in K every score is "very common", "nothing special" and "my own kid scored higher". This is not reality of the schools in MCPS, including "best" schools and most selective magnet programs. The number of kids with exceptionally high scores is very small at the district level (to say nothing about individual schools).

NP. In general, I agree with you. In this specific case, OP needs a reality check. Those scores for fall of 3rd grade are good but they aren't off the charts, and OP would do well to understand that 99th percentile nationally still means there are thousands of kids like hers in MCPS and likely hundreds in the same grade level.

I can be the OP's Voice of Chistmas Future and say that those scores are pretty much exactly the same as my kids' in middle elementary. Those kids are now successful MS and HS students in magnet programs, but they are not particularly exceptional within their programs. They are bright and curious and happy and successful, but there are plenty of kids blowing the roof off tests, taking pre-calculus in 9th grade, etc. My kids (and OP's it seems) are run of the mill smart, which I actually think is kind of a sweet spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And often complains of being bored in school, would you consider asking for them to skip a grade?

We just got the MAP scores back for my third grader. This is the first time they have reading added. With all the talk about how scores go down between 2nd and 3rd and how the test was renowned I was expecting to see the math go down.

Kid scored 99th percentile in both. No wonder he’s bored. 241 on math and 225 on reading. I know the lottery for CES is coming up and compacted math next year, but is it worth talking to the school at this point to see how we can support him? Besides opting for private school, anything else we can do at this point?

Yawn. Like MANY kids. If you have not read this forum before, news flash, no one cares. Literally no one gives a xyz, there is nothing for students.

[Anonymous]

My kid is in the same grade, with similar scores, and also talks about being bored in class. I think it goes with the territory. We don’t think there’s a great case for private, and wouldn’t skip a grade because I don’t think that fits with emotional maturity in our case. Honestly, our kid has taken up making hilarious (to him) doodles while waiting for others to finish up. We do enrichment only so far as it’s fun for him and available within aftercare, or sports. I think being bored is part of life, so kids might as well figure out how to focus and behave while bored. If your kid has ahdh get a 504 that says your kid doesn’t have to do repetitive boring work. Hopefully it gets better with more magnet offerings soon.

[Anonymous]

You people are nuts.

Map-M third grade fall score of 218 is beginning of 99th percentile. 240 is a very high score.

1% of 12,000 students per grade is 120 students in the county scoring above 218. We have 137 elementary schools. Assuming that all students in the 99th percentile are in 25% of the schools means there are only 3-4 kids per grade in the higher performing schools scoring in the 99th percentile which is 218. 240 for the third grade fall Map-M is high probability of being the highest score for the grade in the school.