I have a brain. So this does not apply. The community college transfer rate into these colleges make it a joke compared to actually elite privates. |
The ranking includes the whole school, undergrad and grad and professional. Yes that means the academic research component in multiple areas will raise the world rankings. To me and to many that is better than rankings based on pell grant % and other non academic factors. Lots of faculty doing research and lots of research $ coming in means undergraduates of these top schools can get research experience early and often. Our eldest, econ major, ivy : tons of research with faculty (data science applications for environment). The ivy pays undergraduates for research. Almost any who pursue it more than a couple semesters gets published. Kid got their junior internship due to this experience. They got a 6figure job in environmental consulting because of that internship. No competitive clubs needed , just engage with faculty and do research. 55% of undergraduates in econ and other fields do research at this ivy and the other similar schools toured. The engineering kids it’s probably 80%. The ivy has small classes for all but intro econ and most of the calc sections. This type of school, in the 5-10k range undergrads plus the research aspect that comes from being a well known entity in many sectors, provides a world class education. The global ranking combined with investigating class sizes and teaching, as well as endowment, is a better way to find top undergraduate education, in my opinion. Second is applying now, ED to a different ivy that also ranks in the top half of ivies globally. SLACs are great for many, and a big school like UCB with a high global ranking are right for others. But for many the ivies (less so for Brown and not Dartmouth) or Stanford or MIT or JHU provide that perfect blend of research and small class sizes with top faculty |
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If your priority is to see your child experience the best of all worlds (elite education, strategic networking and preparing for graduate school and/or professional endeavors, career outcomes, and especially the overall social experience), the large public institutions like the Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Florida, Texas, UNC and Virginia are far ahead of the one- or two-dimensional environments that define all of the privates in the Top 25.
If you’re treating your child’s college experience as essentially a trade school where they are there exclusively to train for a specific career in finance or software development or civil engineering, sure, feel free to take the WSJ rankings seriously. But if you have any interest in college being the transformative experience for your child that it often is for those who get the most from it, flagship public over private all day, every day. |
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Yeah, don’t want your kids around the dirty, dumb poors. |
Oh, OK, good to know. I couldn’t tell from your previous posts. Well, large public institutions tend not to cater well to entitled maroons, so I think that works out. Hopefully a third-rate “elite private” like Cornell will do the trick, whatever that might be. |
This assertion is not in any way supported by facts. |
| It's ridiculous that Berkeley and Michigan are ranked so high yet much more renowned universities like Dartmouth aren't even ranked |
Look at any survey of college students for your facts. |
The only people who think Dartmouth is more renowned than Berkeley or Michigan are Dartmouth grads. |
This is a world ranking of the most prestigious universities on the planet. Half of the top 25 at USNWR wouldn’t register much attention across the globe. |
Tbh I'm surprised that Princeton made the top five on the world ranking haha. Usually they don't do well on international rankings for whatever reason even though they dominate USNWR. |
How do the foreign schools register on the attention scale here in the U.S.? By way of example, I’d bet the house that less than 1/10th of 1% of Americans have ever even heard of Nanyang Technological University. |
There's also a good amount of dumb rich given the out of state students there |
Berkeley CS places less percentage or size wise to big tech that Brown and I'm sure most of the other elite privates. that is a fact based on actual career survey outcomes at both schools. |