What votes can I make in Nov against the upzone-ing in MoCo??

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When 2026 comes, vote out Friedman, Glass, and Fani Gonzalez.

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Anonymous wrote:Vote against Laura Stewart. She has supported these proposals and does not seem to have any interest in protecting the MCPS capital budget to make sure the new residents have seats in schools.

Laughable. She's only been the most vocal proponent of funding for school infrastructure that the county's seen in over a decade.

Where have you seen her support the AHS as it is without guardrails protecting school funding and avoiding school overcrowding? By the same token, where have you seen Shebra Evans come out against it?

Haven’t seen her take a position on the latest proposal to cut impact fees and she has been an advocate for the AHS from its earliest days.

So, from before the extremes we saw introduced this year. Those community sessions a couple of years back saw none of them, as noted in a post earlier today. Meamwhile, all that time, she spent more effort than anyone out there advocating for school capital improvements.

I know her to be an advocate for affordable housing, which AHS does not really address. Many of those speaking in opposition to AHS have framed their opposition in the same manner. I have not seen her to come out opposing AHS, but neither have I seen Shebra Evans, her opponent, come out in opposition. Frankly, Evans is someone from whom one might have expected more as a 2-term BOE member (and President for at least 2 of those years years) to address school infrastructure needs, though responsibility for that lies more at the feet of the County Council's repeatedly underfunding the associated budget request.

I'm surprised thay neither Stewart nor Evans has commented on the latest proposal to cut impact fees, but until one does and the other does not, that does not appear to be a differentiator.

She got co-opted by Planning and fhe Planning groupies. I’ll change my mind if she comes out against the growth plan and the impact fee cuts.

MCPS testified against the growth policy at the committee work session so it’s safe to say that reflects a board view. Evan’s seems stronger on this than Stewart so far.

So you are giving the benefit of the doubt to Evans, who didn't testify, herself, but giving no credit to Stewart, who has testified multiple times. Got it.

I can’t give Stewart the benefit of the doubt anymore because she’s taken contributions from Greater Greater Washington and people involved in a pro-developer PAC who oppose impact fees. The inadequacy of the capital budget is too serious a problem to gamble on Stewart.

If Stewart takes a public position opposing the Planning proposal, I’ll change my mind, but otherwise I’ll assume she’s been co-opted based on the donations she’s accepted and her silence on the issue during the campaign. No other candidate in the school board races has accepted contributions from this donor base.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!

Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.

As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.

A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.

Ah yes, the time-tested strategy of helping MAGA hold national power because you're upset that your county council might allow duplexes in your neighborhood.

Selfishly, this impacts my day to day life more than Larry Hogan in Senate.

Voting for Larry Hogan will accomplish literally nothing about the zoning proposal. It won't even send a "protest" message.

Meanwhile, voting for Larry Hogan risks putting MAGA in power, which actually would impact your day to day life a lot more than the zoning proposal.

This. The number of people who apparently think "I like Larry Hogan as governor, so I should vote for him for Senate" is just astonishing. I am a lifelong democrat, voted for Hogan twice for Governor, and there is no way on this earth I'd vote for him for a national office. It's a vote for Mitch McConnell (or whomever succeeds him), Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, and so on. And it has NOTHING to do with local zoning issue. At all.

Well, perhaps the people in charge of local zoning should take note and tread carefully?

Take note of what, precisely?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!

Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.

As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.

A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.

Ah yes, the time-tested strategy of helping MAGA hold national power because you're upset that your county council might allow duplexes in your neighborhood.

Selfishly, this impacts my day to day life more than Larry Hogan in Senate.

Voting for Larry Hogan will accomplish literally nothing about the zoning proposal. It won't even send a "protest" message.

Meanwhile, voting for Larry Hogan risks putting MAGA in power, which actually would impact your day to day life a lot more than the zoning proposal.

This. The number of people who apparently think "I like Larry Hogan as governor, so I should vote for him for Senate" is just astonishing. I am a lifelong democrat, voted for Hogan twice for Governor, and there is no way on this earth I'd vote for him for a national office. It's a vote for Mitch McConnell (or whomever succeeds him), Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, and so on. And it has NOTHING to do with local zoning issue. At all.

Well, perhaps the people in charge of local zoning should take note and tread carefully?

No, the people in charge of local zoning should not base their decisions on "omg what if someone gets mad and votes for MAGA on the federal level?"

Ok, cool.

Please tell me you're not seriously this stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:When 2026 comes, vote out Friedman, Glass, and Fani Gonzalez.

If you try to do that, you will be committing voter fraud.

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Seems like you feel the same way about textbooks and academic journals.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!

Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.

As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.

A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.

Ah yes, the time-tested strategy of helping MAGA hold national power because you're upset that your county council might allow duplexes in your neighborhood.

Selfishly, this impacts my day to day life more than Larry Hogan in Senate.

Voting for Larry Hogan will accomplish literally nothing about the zoning proposal. It won't even send a "protest" message.

Meanwhile, voting for Larry Hogan risks putting MAGA in power, which actually would impact your day to day life a lot more than the zoning proposal.

This. The number of people who apparently think "I like Larry Hogan as governor, so I should vote for him for Senate" is just astonishing. I am a lifelong democrat, voted for Hogan twice for Governor, and there is no way on this earth I'd vote for him for a national office. It's a vote for Mitch McConnell (or whomever succeeds him), Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, and so on. And it has NOTHING to do with local zoning issue. At all.

Well, perhaps the people in charge of local zoning should take note and tread carefully?

No, the people in charge of local zoning should not base their decisions on "omg what if someone gets mad and votes for MAGA on the federal level?"

Ok, cool.

Please tell me you're not seriously this stupid?

Sticks and stones, sport, sticks and stones

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Anonymous wrote:When 2026 comes, vote out Friedman, Glass, and Fani Gonzalez.

I wonder about Mink. She often claims to support the vulnerable, so we will see if she supports this gentrification.

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Seems like you feel the same way about textbooks and academic journals.

Only the ones that use a lot of words to say not very much.

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Anonymous wrote:When 2026 comes, vote out Friedman, Glass, and Fani Gonzalez.

I wonder about Mink. She often claims to support the vulnerable, so we will see if she supports this gentrification.

The gentrification of Bethesda and Chevy Chase/

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!

Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.

As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.

A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.

You could. But I agree with others that people should have some perspective here. That race is close, and Hogan could win as a result of what you think is just a throwaway protest messaging vote. That race has no impact on local zoning and it could give republicans control of a chamber, potentially under a Republican president. Is that really worth it just to send a message?

If you really want to send a message, vote against the term limits (even though that too would have limited impact, at least it wouldn't have a negative impact on the whole country.)

The County Council could take that medicine, realize that their push for density, with all of the concerns about process and effect unmet, might cause some to make such a rash protest vote in a tight race, and definitively and publicly dial things back by committing themselves to a plebecite on the zoning matter at the following election, to reducing the scope/extent of any measure, to limiting the impact of the measure in any one neighborhood and to tying any zoning allowances to true ensurance of adequate public facilities.

Harris' trumpeting of housing issues also might be conflated with initiatives such as MoCo's AHS, and that, too, could send some Hogan's way (if not Trump's). Democrats are playing with fire, here.

Oh my goodness. No, if the PP votes for Hogan in a preposterous vote that is intended as a protest against zoning changes, it's not the County Council's fault for not holding a referendum on zoning changes.

Their fault, as politicians, would be in being so foused on delivering an unpopular and divisive policy change that they would risk the votes of the many who would not differentiate well enough, entering the protest vote described in great enough numbers to endanger their statewide candidate in a tight race amid the backdrop of party control of the Senate. Solid blue Maryland (as a whole -- lots of Red outside of the population centers) should be a slam dunk for Democrats, but they won't even learn from Hogan's having been twice elected as governor.

Again, they play with fire, whether they consider it their "fault" or not.

You actually have no idea whether it's unpopular among the voters in general. All you know is that many affluent homeowners don't support it.

If only there was a way to vote on it so that we’d know for sure…some convenient time in November 2026.

Yes indeed. The County Council elections will be in 2026. The voters will express their opinions when they vote for County Council members.

By which point it will be all over, with little that would allow the County to roll back the by-right allowances thus created, unless there is a ballot initiative in the interim or something else to slow down the unvetted, under-analyzed, kabuki-theater-lip-service-engagement steamroller-on-rails that is the AHS (as well as the current legislation lowering impact taxes and other complementary legislation that would compound the associated harms). Councilmembers will have delivered to their developer patrons, and will move on to well compensated advisory positions if their incumbency or further political ambition is threatened by backlash.

Organized opposition would need to happen right now, and even so, it's effectiveness would be blunted due to the lack of mechanisms at hand. It was timed that way by the Council and Planning Board, having made known neither the extremes of the plan nor the extent of its application before the Planning Board's vote for approval in mid-June, when a ballot initiative for this cycle was made effectively impossible by the associated filing due date requirements.

Erlich mentioned this was part of Thrive and it was pulled out because people would in no way support Thrive with the housing initiative in there. It was too much, so the Council decided to wait 2 years to introduce this way. It has been a low point for this Council and what a disappointment they have all turned out to be. None of them really care about MoCo. They just see this introduction of what they think is Equity, as a trampoline for their political career.

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Anonymous wrote:When 2026 comes, vote out Friedman, Glass, and Fani Gonzalez.

If you try to do that, you will be committing voter fraud.

Say more.

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Anonymous wrote:When 2026 comes, vote out Friedman, Glass, and Fani Gonzalez.

I wonder about Mink. She often claims to support the vulnerable, so we will see if she supports this gentrification.

Curious about this too. She is the council member for the Woodmoor area which is vehemently against this proposal. So many people are.

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Anonymous wrote:When 2026 comes, vote out Friedman, Glass, and Fani Gonzalez.

If you try to do that, you will be committing voter fraud.

Say more.

They're being snarky with an interpretation of the PP that an individual could vote in all three races, when one is only eligible to vote within one's district and in at-large races. Of course, the PP was suggesting that the voting populace, collectively, vote out those councilmembers.