What votes can I make in Nov against the upzone-ing in MoCo??

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Anonymous wrote:Very curious too. Thanks for the thread. I'm voting against all up zone supporters.


Zero people in county government are on the ballot.

On the MCPS forum, there are always posts about people who supposedly value education (the DCUM demographics) and people who supposedly don't value education (the non-DCUM demographics), but for people who supposedly value education, there is a whole lot of ignorance about the basics of local and state government. Whatever education the DCUM demographics supposedly value, it obviously isn't education in civics.


But, as noted, Elrich is effecrively on the ballot as they are seeking to exclude him from a third term. During his time as County Executive, his stance vis-a-vis development seems to have been to object to measures giving developers unnecessary benefit without equivalent (or more) benefit accruing to the populace of the county. His vetoes on those items often have been countered by Council overrides, with all or nearly all Councilmembers then allowing the effective/relative private benefit at public expense.

They, who have a three-term limit just as he does already, want him out just as much as the Republicans, with several of them hoping to succeed him sooner rather than later. If it weren't for a modicum of party decorum, there would be much greater public avowal of that. Honestly, with the preponderance of the voting public not always well informed, especially about local issues, his narrow victories have more to do with the weight of Council action (and inaction, in some cases) that ends up incorrectly attributed to him as the most visible local politician in office than anything positive about his opposition.

As others have noted, here, voting NO on the term limit question would be a counter of sorts to the densification push. It would be a minimal one, with no Councilmembers up for reelection and with the avenue that the Council plans to utilize, a Zoning Text Amendment (not envisioned to allow such sweeping change, but not forbidding it), not subject to County Executive veto. However, it could send a signal.


Please explain how this signal-sending would work. All the steps between someone voting for Hogan as a "protest", and the County Council rejecting the proposed zoning changes.


Pretty simple in this case. Vote NO on the reducing the term limit for County Executive from 3 terms to 2.
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!


Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.


As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.


A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.


You could. But I agree with others that people should have some perspective here. That race is close, and Hogan could win as a result of what you think is just a throwaway protest messaging vote. That race has no impact on local zoning and it could give republicans control of a chamber, potentially under a Republican president. Is that really worth it just to send a message?

If you really want to send a message, vote against the term limits (even though that too would have limited impact, at least it wouldn't have a negative impact on the whole country.)


The County Council could take that medicine, realize that their push for density, with all of the concerns about process and effect unmet, might cause some to make such a rash protest vote in a tight race, and definitively and publicly dial things back by committing themselves to a plebecite on the zoning matter at the following election, to reducing the scope/extent of any measure, to limiting the impact of the measure in any one neighborhood and to tying any zoning allowances to true ensurance of adequate public facilities.

Harris' trumpeting of housing issues also might be conflated with initiatives such as MoCo's AHS, and that, too, could send some Hogan's way (if not Trump's). Democrats are playing with fire, here.


Oh my goodness. No, if the PP votes for Hogan in a preposterous vote that is intended as a protest against zoning changes, it's not the County Council's fault for not holding a referendum on zoning changes.


Their fault, as politicians, would be in being so foused on delivering an unpopular and divisive policy change that they would risk the votes of the many who would not differentiate well enough, entering the protest vote described in great enough numbers to endanger their statewide candidate in a tight race amid the backdrop of party control of the Senate. Solid blue Maryland (as a whole -- lots of Red outside of the population centers) should be a slam dunk for Democrats, but they won't even learn from Hogan's having been twice elected as governor.

Again, they play with fire, whether they consider it their "fault" or not.


You actually have no idea whether it's unpopular among the voters in general. All you know is that many affluent homeowners don't support it.
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Voting against term limits. It's astroturfing from the developer industry.
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!


Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.


As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.


A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.


Ah yes, the time-tested strategy of helping MAGA hold national power because you're upset that your county council might allow duplexes in your neighborhood.


Selfishly, this impacts my day to day life more than Larry Hogan in Senate.


Voting for Larry Hogan will accomplish literally nothing about the zoning proposal. It won't even send a "protest" message.

Meanwhile, voting for Larry Hogan risks putting MAGA in power, which actually would impact your day to day life a lot more than the zoning proposal.


I know what will impact my life a lot more and I promise you, Larry Hogan or not, I will be more unhappy if my neighborhood starts to look like unkept. I actually prefer Kamala for President and a divided house/senate. I don't want all Ds, checks and balances are healthy.


You're not voting for Hogan as a "protest" vote against local zoning changes, you're voting for Hogan because you want to vote for Hogan.


I am

I've voted D my whole life but I am getting sick of some of their agenda. It's all robbing Peter to pay for Paul. There is way too much hate towards successful individuals and complaining about what we have. Leave me alone, I am not the problem. The Elon Musks of the world are the problem.


Then your vote is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.


The only hope is that corporate democrats or sensible republicans run for county council in 2026 to reduce the current power of the currently elected clowns.
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!


Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.


As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.


A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.


Ah yes, the time-tested strategy of helping MAGA hold national power because you're upset that your county council might allow duplexes in your neighborhood.


Selfishly, this impacts my day to day life more than Larry Hogan in Senate.


Voting for Larry Hogan will accomplish literally nothing about the zoning proposal. It won't even send a "protest" message.

Meanwhile, voting for Larry Hogan risks putting MAGA in power, which actually would impact your day to day life a lot more than the zoning proposal.


I know what will impact my life a lot more and I promise you, Larry Hogan or not, I will be more unhappy if my neighborhood starts to look like unkept. I actually prefer Kamala for President and a divided house/senate. I don't want all Ds, checks and balances are healthy.


You're not voting for Hogan as a "protest" vote against local zoning changes, you're voting for Hogan because you want to vote for Hogan.


I am

I've voted D my whole life but I am getting sick of some of their agenda. It's all robbing Peter to pay for Paul. There is way too much hate towards successful individuals and complaining about what we have. Leave me alone, I am not the problem. The Elon Musks of the world are the problem.


Then your vote is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.


The only hope is that corporate democrats or sensible republicans run for county council in 2026 to reduce the current power of the currently elected clowns.


I don't know where you will find any "sensible Republicans" to do that. Their track record in the last 20+ years in the county has not been great.

Corporate Democrats have run for the County Council, but they haven't won, because they couldn't persuade a majority of voters to vote for them (unlike the current council members).
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Vote no on term limits this year.

I checked and sadly we do not have an option to recall Andrew and any other county council members now or at all. Just get ready to vote those developer shills out in 2026.
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!


Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.


As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.


A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.


Ah yes, the time-tested strategy of helping MAGA hold national power because you're upset that your county council might allow duplexes in your neighborhood.


Selfishly, this impacts my day to day life more than Larry Hogan in Senate.


Voting for Larry Hogan will accomplish literally nothing about the zoning proposal. It won't even send a "protest" message.

Meanwhile, voting for Larry Hogan risks putting MAGA in power, which actually would impact your day to day life a lot more than the zoning proposal.


I know what will impact my life a lot more and I promise you, Larry Hogan or not, I will be more unhappy if my neighborhood starts to look like unkept. I actually prefer Kamala for President and a divided house/senate. I don't want all Ds, checks and balances are healthy.


You're not voting for Hogan as a "protest" vote against local zoning changes, you're voting for Hogan because you want to vote for Hogan.


I am

I've voted D my whole life but I am getting sick of some of their agenda. It's all robbing Peter to pay for Paul. There is way too much hate towards successful individuals and complaining about what we have. Leave me alone, I am not the problem. The Elon Musks of the world are the problem.


Then your vote is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.


The only hope is that corporate democrats or sensible republicans run for county council in 2026 to reduce the current power of the currently elected clowns.


I don't know where you will find any "sensible Republicans" to do that. Their track record in the last 20+ years in the county has not been great.

Corporate Democrats have run for the County Council, but they haven't won, because they couldn't persuade a majority of voters to vote for them (unlike the current council members).


I am a Democrat trhough and through but I hate to say, Moco was a much better place to raise a family 20 - 30 years ago..
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!


Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.


As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.


A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.


You could. But I agree with others that people should have some perspective here. That race is close, and Hogan could win as a result of what you think is just a throwaway protest messaging vote. That race has no impact on local zoning and it could give republicans control of a chamber, potentially under a Republican president. Is that really worth it just to send a message?

If you really want to send a message, vote against the term limits (even though that too would have limited impact, at least it wouldn't have a negative impact on the whole country.)


The County Council could take that medicine, realize that their push for density, with all of the concerns about process and effect unmet, might cause some to make such a rash protest vote in a tight race, and definitively and publicly dial things back by committing themselves to a plebecite on the zoning matter at the following election, to reducing the scope/extent of any measure, to limiting the impact of the measure in any one neighborhood and to tying any zoning allowances to true ensurance of adequate public facilities.

Harris' trumpeting of housing issues also might be conflated with initiatives such as MoCo's AHS, and that, too, could send some Hogan's way (if not Trump's). Democrats are playing with fire, here.


Oh my goodness. No, if the PP votes for Hogan in a preposterous vote that is intended as a protest against zoning changes, it's not the County Council's fault for not holding a referendum on zoning changes.


Their fault, as politicians, would be in being so foused on delivering an unpopular and divisive policy change that they would risk the votes of the many who would not differentiate well enough, entering the protest vote described in great enough numbers to endanger their statewide candidate in a tight race amid the backdrop of party control of the Senate. Solid blue Maryland (as a whole -- lots of Red outside of the population centers) should be a slam dunk for Democrats, but they won't even learn from Hogan's having been twice elected as governor.

Again, they play with fire, whether they consider it their "fault" or not.


You actually have no idea whether it's unpopular among the voters in general. All you know is that many affluent homeowners don't support it.


Um...how many of the AHS listening sessions did you see? Pretty much all of them evidenced concerns from a significant portion of the population. Some overwhelmingly so. Not one met with overwhelming support for the AHS as it has been presented. Each evidenced concerns from non-affluent and/or renting members of the public.

You actually have no idea whether it is popular. The current Council did not run on anything like the change to allow 19-unit stacked flats within 500 feet of a transit corridor and the quadplexes within a mile of rail that the AHS suggests. Nor were those aspects (and many others) vetted with the community prior to their being voted on by the Planning Board.

"Many affluent homeowners" is a strawman supporting a red herring.
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!


Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.


As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.


A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.


You could. But I agree with others that people should have some perspective here. That race is close, and Hogan could win as a result of what you think is just a throwaway protest messaging vote. That race has no impact on local zoning and it could give republicans control of a chamber, potentially under a Republican president. Is that really worth it just to send a message?

If you really want to send a message, vote against the term limits (even though that too would have limited impact, at least it wouldn't have a negative impact on the whole country.)


The County Council could take that medicine, realize that their push for density, with all of the concerns about process and effect unmet, might cause some to make such a rash protest vote in a tight race, and definitively and publicly dial things back by committing themselves to a plebecite on the zoning matter at the following election, to reducing the scope/extent of any measure, to limiting the impact of the measure in any one neighborhood and to tying any zoning allowances to true ensurance of adequate public facilities.

Harris' trumpeting of housing issues also might be conflated with initiatives such as MoCo's AHS, and that, too, could send some Hogan's way (if not Trump's). Democrats are playing with fire, here.


Oh my goodness. No, if the PP votes for Hogan in a preposterous vote that is intended as a protest against zoning changes, it's not the County Council's fault for not holding a referendum on zoning changes.


Their fault, as politicians, would be in being so foused on delivering an unpopular and divisive policy change that they would risk the votes of the many who would not differentiate well enough, entering the protest vote described in great enough numbers to endanger their statewide candidate in a tight race amid the backdrop of party control of the Senate. Solid blue Maryland (as a whole -- lots of Red outside of the population centers) should be a slam dunk for Democrats, but they won't even learn from Hogan's having been twice elected as governor.

Again, they play with fire, whether they consider it their "fault" or not.


You actually have no idea whether it's unpopular among the voters in general. All you know is that many affluent homeowners don't support it.


Um...how many of the AHS listening sessions did you see? Pretty much all of them evidenced concerns from a significant portion of the population. Some overwhelmingly so. Not one met with overwhelming support for the AHS as it has been presented. Each evidenced concerns from non-affluent and/or renting members of the public.

You actually have no idea whether it is popular. The current Council did not run on anything like the change to allow 19-unit stacked flats within 500 feet of a transit corridor and the quadplexes within a mile of rail that the AHS suggests. Nor were those aspects (and many others) vetted with the community prior to their being voted on by the Planning Board.

"Many affluent homeowners" is a strawman supporting a red herring.


How many of the 1.1 million residents of Montgomery County attended the listening sessions?

"Affluent homeowners" is just a factual description. There's no need to feel defensive about it. It's not an insult.
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don't know who to vote for/against - but I strongly disagree with the proposed changes to zoning.

Who should I vote for or against?

Thank you!


Well, you vote against term limits to try to keep Elrich for a while.

You can look up others running to see where they align on any similar issues.

You can always vote for Hogan as a protest.


As a protest against what? Hogan is a developer.


A protest vote. You can vote for Hogan as a message to Maryland Democrats, including local ones in the county pushing this upzoning nonsense, that just because we are a blue state doesn’t mean that we aren’t without power to make disagreement known within the party. Our own little “uncommitted” campaign, in a way.


You could. But I agree with others that people should have some perspective here. That race is close, and Hogan could win as a result of what you think is just a throwaway protest messaging vote. That race has no impact on local zoning and it could give republicans control of a chamber, potentially under a Republican president. Is that really worth it just to send a message?

If you really want to send a message, vote against the term limits (even though that too would have limited impact, at least it wouldn't have a negative impact on the whole country.)


The County Council could take that medicine, realize that their push for density, with all of the concerns about process and effect unmet, might cause some to make such a rash protest vote in a tight race, and definitively and publicly dial things back by committing themselves to a plebecite on the zoning matter at the following election, to reducing the scope/extent of any measure, to limiting the impact of the measure in any one neighborhood and to tying any zoning allowances to true ensurance of adequate public facilities.

Harris' trumpeting of housing issues also might be conflated with initiatives such as MoCo's AHS, and that, too, could send some Hogan's way (if not Trump's). Democrats are playing with fire, here.


Oh my goodness. No, if the PP votes for Hogan in a preposterous vote that is intended as a protest against zoning changes, it's not the County Council's fault for not holding a referendum on zoning changes.


Their fault, as politicians, would be in being so foused on delivering an unpopular and divisive policy change that they would risk the votes of the many who would not differentiate well enough, entering the protest vote described in great enough numbers to endanger their statewide candidate in a tight race amid the backdrop of party control of the Senate. Solid blue Maryland (as a whole -- lots of Red outside of the population centers) should be a slam dunk for Democrats, but they won't even learn from Hogan's having been twice elected as governor.

Again, they play with fire, whether they consider it their "fault" or not.


You actually have no idea whether it's unpopular among the voters in general. All you know is that many affluent homeowners don't support it.


Um...how many of the AHS listening sessions did you see? Pretty much all of them evidenced concerns from a significant portion of the population. Some overwhelmingly so. Not one met with overwhelming support for the AHS as it has been presented. Each evidenced concerns from non-affluent and/or renting members of the public.

You actually have no idea whether it is popular. The current Council did not run on anything like the change to allow 19-unit stacked flats within 500 feet of a transit corridor and the quadplexes within a mile of rail that the AHS suggests. Nor were those aspects (and many others) vetted with the community prior to their being voted on by the Planning Board.

"Many affluent homeowners" is a strawman supporting a red herring.


How many of the 1.1 million residents of Montgomery County attended the listening sessions?

"Affluent homeowners" is just a factual description. There's no need to feel defensive about it. It's not an insult.


(mentally estimates from visual record, auditorium capacity and Zoom attendance)...Something in the range of 1800 participants across the 5 live and 1 Zoom session? If you don't like that sample size or contest the stochastic validity based on self-selection, your answer would be a plebecite, where the residents of the County could evidence collective opinion on the matter.

How many of those from Planning's slide touting their engagement with the community over the past several years were afforded the courtesy of understanding the breadth and depth of that which was put into the AHS as it was finalized? The 19-unit/acre stacked flats within 500 feet of a transit corridor? Quadplexes within that or within a mile of rail, including Metro, MARC and any Purple Line station? Reductions in those areas of 75% of the parking minimums builders would be required to provide when any street parking is allowed? The allowance for combination and re-divison of properties in conjunction with building of these multi-unit structures to promote maximum density?

Zero.

Your "affluent homeowners" is a half-fact, describing some, but not all, of those who spoke against, or expressed support for those speaking against, the AHS as presented. Sure, the opposition at the near-seating-capacity-plus-standing session at the BCC auditorium was overwhelming, and you're welcome to point out the likely demographic, there. But if lending any credence at all to the listening sessions, you'd think that one or other would have shown at least a bare majority of support, where none, not even Wheaton or White Oak, showed a preponderance in favor.
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Vote against Laura Stewart. She has supported these proposals and does not seem to have any interest in protecting the MCPS capital budget to make sure the new residents have seats in schools.
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Anonymous wrote:Vote against Laura Stewart. She has supported these proposals and does not seem to have any interest in protecting the MCPS capital budget to make sure the new residents have seats in schools.


Laughable. She's only been the most vocal proponent of funding for school infrastructure that the county's seen in over a decade.

Where have you seen her support the AHS as it is without guardrails protecting school funding and avoiding school overcrowding? By the same token, where have you seen Shebra Evans come out against it?
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Laughable. She's only been the most vocal proponent of funding for school infrastructure that the county's seen in over a decade.

Where have you seen her support the AHS as it is without guardrails protecting school funding and avoiding school overcrowding? By the same token, where have you seen Shebra Evans come out against it?


Haven’t seen her take a position on the latest proposal to cut impact fees and she has been an advocate for the AHS from its earliest days.
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Laughable. She's only been the most vocal proponent of funding for school infrastructure that the county's seen in over a decade.

Where have you seen her support the AHS as it is without guardrails protecting school funding and avoiding school overcrowding? By the same token, where have you seen Shebra Evans come out against it?


Haven’t seen her take a position on the latest proposal to cut impact fees and she has been an advocate for the AHS from its earliest days.


So, from before the extremes we saw introduced this year. Those community sessions a couple of years back saw none of them, as noted in a post earlier today. Meamwhile, all that time, she spent more effort than anyone out there advocating for school capital improvements.

I know her to be an advocate for affordable housing, which AHS does not really address. Many of those speaking in opposition to AHS have framed their opposition in the same manner. I have not seen her to come out opposing AHS, but neither have I seen Shebra Evans, her opponent, come out in opposition. Frankly, Evans is someone from whom one might have expected more as a 2-term BOE member (and President for at least 2 of those years years) to address school infrastructure needs, though responsibility for that lies more at the feet of the County Council's repeatedly underfunding the associated budget request.

I'm surprised thay neither Stewart nor Evans has commented on the latest proposal to cut impact fees, but until one does and the other does not, that does not appear to be a differentiator.
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Thank you!


Vote NO on imposing a two-term limit for the county exec. The exec is already on a three-term limit, just like the county council. The developer interests are trying to deny Marc Elrich, our current county executive, from running for a third term. Marc is the politician who is stating quite plainly that the new density push for housing is for market-based housing, not affordable housing. I hope more people don't fall for the developers' big lies about this being to help poor people priced out of the market. This is all about a developers' land grab.

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