Regular vs. Honors vs. AP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are still on level classes in many subjects. I know this because my son has a disability that makes math and science more challenging so he has mostly been in on-level classes in these subjects. I also have seen a definite difference between honors and regular because my son has tried a few honors classes only to have to drop down.

I’m actually tired of this honors for all narrative. It’s really frustrating for students who work hard to keep up in honors to hear that it’s not really honors. If your child finds honors too easy, stick to AP.

To your first point, I think this must be school-by-school because there are categorically no on-level classes at my child's HS. I've seen it with my own eyes and heard it from the teachers.

To the bolded, the problem is that there is no AP option for a lot of these classes. For English, the first AP class a kid can take is in 11th grade, so from 6th - 10th there is no option for acceleration or differentiation outside the magnets. For science, the "Honors" classes are pre-requisites for the AP classes, except the "Honors" science classes are so heterogenous that it results in kids being unprepared for the AP version because they spent the "Honors" years doing worksheets while folks screwed around in class.

Students playing chess in their Chromebook instead? Teacher shoe shopping on their device? Yep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are still on level classes in many subjects. I know this because my son has a disability that makes math and science more challenging so he has mostly been in on-level classes in these subjects. I also have seen a definite difference between honors and regular because my son has tried a few honors classes only to have to drop down.

I’m actually tired of this honors for all narrative. It’s really frustrating for students who work hard to keep up in honors to hear that it’s not really honors. If your child finds honors too easy, stick to AP.

To your first point, I think this must be school-by-school because there are categorically no on-level classes at my child's HS. I've seen it with my own eyes and heard it from the teachers.

To the bolded, the problem is that there is no AP option for a lot of these classes. For English, the first AP class a kid can take is in 11th grade, so from 6th - 10th there is no option for acceleration or differentiation outside the magnets. For science, the "Honors" classes are pre-requisites for the AP classes, except the "Honors" science classes are so heterogenous that it results in kids being unprepared for the AP version because they spent the "Honors" years doing worksheets while folks screwed around in class.

Note AP Seminar of offered at your school can be taken for English 10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS does not call everything Honors now and yes there are plenty of in level classes and plenty of kids talking them (Despite what DCUM will tell you). The only place where this is absolutely a problem is English (MS and Grade 9/10). Choosing an advance SS, Science or Math is a different experience.

Teacher here. The problem is that even when Honors vs. On-level classes exist, there is not much sorting of students going on. I was told that students can decide which class they want and if a student selects Honors, then a counselor has to give it to them, even if a student has all Es on their transcript. Many students who don’t belong in Honors pick it any way because they want to be with their friends.
What percentage of MCPS high schools do not opt into the Honors-for-All model that is dominant in the DCC and NEC?

Many of the posted documents on school sites still show on-level classes being offered, but in reality they will only offer the Honors class. With the exception of math, which as others have said, still often has on-level options.

So in other words, the PP who is attempting to act like Honors-for-All isn't pervasive throughout MCPS high schools, is attempting to obfuscate and gaslight.

Not gaslighting. There are plenty of science, math, and social studies classes not labeled honors or AP/IB thus they are on-level. Just because DCUM is saying only honors classes are offered and everything below that is remedial doesn’t make it so.

[Anonymous]

A studentin Honors English and AP Eng grades are weighted the same??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A studentin Honors English and AP Eng grades are weighted the same??

Yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A studentin Honors English and AP Eng grades are weighted the same??

Yes.

It is really not fair to higher placed students.

[Anonymous]

Don't AP and IB courses receive .5 more weight?

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Do all HS have AP AND IB even if no full IB program?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are still on level classes in many subjects. I know this because my son has a disability that makes math and science more challenging so he has mostly been in on-level classes in these subjects. I also have seen a definite difference between honors and regular because my son has tried a few honors classes only to have to drop down.

I’m actually tired of this honors for all narrative. It’s really frustrating for students who work hard to keep up in honors to hear that it’s not really honors. If your child finds honors too easy, stick to AP.

To your first point, I think this must be school-by-school because there are categorically no on-level classes at my child's HS. I've seen it with my own eyes and heard it from the teachers.

To the bolded, the problem is that there is no AP option for a lot of these classes. For English, the first AP class a kid can take is in 11th grade, so from 6th - 10th there is no option for acceleration or differentiation outside the magnets. For science, the "Honors" classes are pre-requisites for the AP classes, except the "Honors" science classes are so heterogenous that it results in kids being unprepared for the AP version because they spent the "Honors" years doing worksheets while folks screwed around in class.

Note AP Seminar of offered at your school can be taken for English 10.

Only if it is the English wo version. Some schools offer the traditional version.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A studentin Honors English and AP Eng grades are weighted the same??

Yes.

It is really not fair to higher placed students.

The scores are made up and the points don't matter.

You think AP CS Principles (elements school summer camp) should count more than Honors Precalculus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody says it is racist to gatekeepers for honors and AP classes in private school.

Because people in private school can craft a complete grammatical sentence?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS does not call everything Honors now and yes there are plenty of in level classes and plenty of kids talking them (Despite what DCUM will tell you). The only place where this is absolutely a problem is English (MS and Grade 9/10). Choosing an advance SS, Science or Math is a different experience.

What percentage of MCPS high schools do not opt into the Honors-for-All model that is dominant in the DCC and NEC?

Many of the posted documents on school sites still show on-level classes being offered, but in reality they will only offer the Honors class. With the exception of math, which as others have said, still often has on-level options.

So in other words, the PP who is attempting to act like Honors-for-All isn't pervasive throughout MCPS high schools, is attempting to obfuscate and gaslight.

Not gaslighting. There are plenty of science, math, and social studies classes not labeled honors or AP/IB thus they are on-level. Just because DCUM is saying only honors classes are offered and everything below that is remedial doesn’t make it so.

They may show up in the course listings but do you know if there is anyone currently enrolled in them? At our HS, only honors English, science and social studies classes are available, in terms of the main graduation pathway classes. There are on-level electives of course, and there are some on-level math classes.

My kid is in the Bridge program. All classes are on grade level. It’s terrible if you need true grade level which is now honors.

Lucky for you, "honors" *is* grade level, and in Bridge you have the option of self-contained class too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do all HS have AP AND IB even if no full IB program?

No. IB classes are only available at the 8 IB high schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/high/ib

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't AP and IB courses receive .5 more weight?

No. Honors, AP, and IB courses all receive 5 points for an A, 4 points for a B, and 3 points for a C.

[Anonymous]

They should all be the same weight bc the only difference is richer more entitled parents will demand that their entitled misbehaved kids should be in the better class and the poor kids should be in the dumb classes however the rich kids are just as moronic bc they don't have to work to keep a roof over their head as well. Just another example of how richers get a leg up for being lazy.