MAGA - describe when America was “Great”

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.

1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children

Business would hire US citizens and train them

College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving

It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker

So what policies are Trump proposing to get us there? Because tariffs and deporting migrant workers won't.

Clearly all Trump supporters and other republicans are avoiding this thread, so they aren't here to answer your question.

My take is those two are exactly what maga want. IME, aside from the nazis, the other maga are people who feel they and their kids can't compete today. The Democrats should take heed and try to take some of the edge off what we used to call 'globalism' in the 80s.

The Democrats passed the CHIPs Act, which is materially bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. This is already in process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.

For me "conservative" means the way things were in the past. Some of us don't like rapid change.
I'd say to answer your question: strong middle class, strong military, strong dollar, law and order, lower taxes. DEI is fine as far as Diversity and Inclusion goes, but Equity is impossible and ridiculous. I'd like to see all the "woke" bullshit go away.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"When them thar ______ knew their place."

They'll lie and say that's not it, but that's it.

Trump probably has more black, Japanese, Arab, Latino, and Jewish friends than you ever had and people of all these races rented rooms at Trump Tower . He’s a New Yorker but keep on, bro.

Trump is right that the wars and political correctness destroyed the US

Yes, he’s a New Yorker. And New Yorkers remember when Trump and his father worked very hard to keep POC — especially Black people— from renting apartments that they managed, starting with their properties in Queens. We also remember Trump publicly calling for the execution of 5 Black and Latino teens — before they had been tried in court. All were later exonerated.

PP, you’re trying to get “probably” to do some heavy lifting here. And “New Yorker” doesn’t really suggest what you’d like it to. DP, POC, and former New Yorker.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

Fairfax VA in the late 90s

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

Fairfax VA in the late 90s

Fairfax schools used to be great too, with marked decline under unanimous Dem school boards. Now, they only give the appearance of being good due to abundance of families supplementing education outside of school. That shouldn't be necessary IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m

Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

Fairfax VA in the late 90s

Fairfax schools used to be great too, with marked decline under unanimous Dem school boards. Now, they only give the appearance of being good due to abundance of families supplementing education outside of school. That shouldn't be necessary IMO.

Yes, it is a shame when a parade of GOP governors and GOP presidents do what they can to undermine funding and policies that can help students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1950s through the 1980s.

DP, i'd extend it to late 90s with the expansion of IT until the end of the dotcom era. When you're the country with a manufacturing base that wasn't destroyed by war you have a huge advantage.

So you think the 1950's were good for non whites in the US then?

Yep, things got better, you had the great migration, brown vs board of ed, and lots of manufacturing jobs were provided! US dominance post war of manufacturing plus a strong military meant lots of job job jobs! Strong unions too.

Do you think women were equal then?

Women and men will never be equal. Viva la difference! They have complementary traits. Plus not having to slave away to some boss in an office has benefits.

Do you know what the tax rates were in the 1950's-1980?

Almost no one paid those taxes on a personal level. On the other hand corporate tax policy did mean that companies gave more benefits to employees and there was more investment in technology. Look at Bell Labs, Xerox Parc, or IBM Research Labs which were in part a result of tax policy.

Do you know how much the Dow grew in the late 1950's to early 1970's?

PE ratio expansion isn't exactly a great thing. On the otherhand if you were a dividend investor, you were fine.

If you think that post war era was so great, you are looking at it through a very narrow lens.

Not at all!

Today we have lousy work life ballance, an economy based off intangibles that can easily be disrupted, a (legally) drugged up population, tons of neighbors who are isolated from one another with no sense of community, and if you are a service worker, lousy job prospects with poor benefits.

but we have iphones and LGBT acceptance so i guess its a fair tradeoff.

Not to mention epidemic levels of anxiety, depression, AD(H)D, etc. among teens.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m

Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

Fairfax VA in the late 90s

Fairfax schools used to be great too, with marked decline under unanimous Dem school boards. Now, they only give the appearance of being good due to abundance of families supplementing education outside of school. That shouldn't be necessary IMO.

They are terrible now. Sharing the intelligence pie isn’t working, I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m

Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

Fairfax VA in the late 90s

Fairfax schools used to be great too, with marked decline under unanimous Dem school boards. Now, they only give the appearance of being good due to abundance of families supplementing education outside of school. That shouldn't be necessary IMO.

Yes, it is a shame when a parade of GOP governors and GOP presidents do what they can to undermine funding and policies that can help students.

We've had Dem presidents 12 of past 16 years.

VA has had Dem governors 16 of the past 23 years.

FCPS has had 12-0 Dems for several years now with a majority for much longer, and continuing in the wrong direction.

Also, funding isn't everything, take a look at Baltimore City schools.
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/update-baltimore-city-now-americas-third-most-funded-school-system

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m

Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

Fairfax VA in the late 90s

Fairfax schools used to be great too, with marked decline under unanimous Dem school boards. Now, they only give the appearance of being good due to abundance of families supplementing education outside of school. That shouldn't be necessary IMO.

Yes, it is a shame when a parade of GOP governors and GOP presidents do what they can to undermine funding and policies that can help students.

Fairfax schools are well funded. Most of that money doesn't go to direct instruction. Further demographics that prioritize education are doing well in part to spending outside of fcps. Demographics that dont prioritize education will not do as well.

You can certainly argue that during the Cold war education was looked at as a higher priority by most Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"When them thar ______ knew their place."

They'll lie and say that's not it, but that's it.

Trump probably has more black, Japanese, Arab, Latino, and Jewish friends than you ever had and people of all these races rented rooms at Trump Tower . He’s a New Yorker but keep on, bro.

Trump is right that the wars and political correctness destroyed the US

lol, I’m a NYer, clown! You think I don’t know Trump? I have family who knew him back in the day. That you think he has “friends” is delusional. He has people he sees as making him a profit or giving him power.

The whole point of MAGA is a bunch of trashy rubes thinking their skin color alone makes them superior. The only reason they love Trump is specifically because they hope the crayola crayon group of “friends” you mention, will be thrown out of the country.

How delusional are you about the whole point of supporting that orange pos?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"When them thar ______ knew their place."

They'll lie and say that's not it, but that's it.

You are just a gross person who has no clue. You just want to think things are tbmhat way because it justifies you disregarding other people's opinions about how government should be run. You have either been brainwashed or intentionally paint half the country as racist. I have grown up and lived in various conservative places my entire life and have never seen even one ounce of true racism. The only people that are obsessed with race is liberals.

You are terribly deluded. And blind. You need deprogramming.