Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

It wasn’t rigged for sail while sitting at anchor, so I don’t understand why you think that is somehow damning.

So it’s the tallest sloop ever made. Ok? And?

It’s basically a scaled-up design, so nothing about it is exactly bleeding edge design. I would argue the retractable keel, assuming it’s retracted while at anchor, which it probably is, is more at-fault than the mast.

Even with sails down the mast and huge boom might have contributed to this boat reaching its tipping point and unable to reset

I can tell you don’t understand much about boats, but every vessel has a roll limit where past that point , it will capsize. Very few boats are designed to be self-righting after a roll, most will stay capsized after they go over, so it’s doubtful that even had the water been deep enough for the mast to not have struck the seabed, it almost certainly would not have self righted after the roll.

So none of this would’ve mattered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

It wasn’t rigged for sail while sitting at anchor, so I don’t understand why you think that is somehow damning.

So it’s the tallest sloop ever made. Ok? And?

It’s basically a scaled-up design, so nothing about it is exactly bleeding edge design. I would argue the retractable keel, assuming it’s retracted while at anchor, which it probably is, is more at-fault than the mast.

Even with sails down the mast and huge boom might have contributed to this boat reaching its tipping point and unable to reset

I can tell you don’t understand much about boats, but every vessel has a roll limit where past that point , it will capsize. Very few boats are designed to be self-righting after a roll, most will stay capsized after they go over, so it’s doubtful that even had the water been deep enough for the mast to not have struck the seabed, it almost certainly would not have self righted after the roll.

So none of this would’ve mattered.

Okey dokey, so please enlighten us then with your oh so valuable superior engineering knowledge

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The two accidents seemed too connected to be coincidence, but I didn't follow through to get any details or learn if foul play was suspected in either incident.

In other words, you think one of the people involved can control the weather?

NP- well, none of the other boats sank in the storm, and this boat sank very suddenly by all accounts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

It wasn’t rigged for sail while sitting at anchor, so I don’t understand why you think that is somehow damning.

So it’s the tallest sloop ever made. Ok? And?

It’s basically a scaled-up design, so nothing about it is exactly bleeding edge design. I would argue the retractable keel, assuming it’s retracted while at anchor, which it probably is, is more at-fault than the mast.

Even with sails down the mast and huge boom might have contributed to this boat reaching its tipping point and unable to reset

I can tell you don’t understand much about boats, but every vessel has a roll limit where past that point , it will capsize. Very few boats are designed to be self-righting after a roll, most will stay capsized after they go over, so it’s doubtful that even had the water been deep enough for the mast to not have struck the seabed, it almost certainly would not have self righted after the roll.

So none of this would’ve mattered.

I’m reading online that yacht experts think the mast size may have contributed. They’re all wrong but you’re right?

[Anonymous]

Everyone knows it’s bad luck to change the name of a boat.

[Anonymous]

There a skipper who’s been posting informative videos on YouTube. Just watch his latest (you’ll find his channel with the following search terms: esysman and yacht).

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t crew quarters generally below guest suites? How did most of the crew survive but the guests did not?

It was around 4am, so guests were in cabins, crew on deck due to the storm. The chef was sleeping because chefs are off duty at night, so he died too. The captain should have been at dock and not out during the storm. Is it possible the guest insisted on it despite captain's advice? Sure. Still terrible and it made me have more respect for Captain Sandy on Below Deck: she will tell the guests she's staying at dock despite protests and them being very upset, to avoid situations like these.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of Below Deck 😆
This would never happen on Captain Lee's watch!

People please-- you both mean Captain Glenn from Below Deck Sailing Yacht which is what this boat was.

But I do love the other Captains. A. Lot.

He was never making it off the yacht. The fact the freak storm came up just covered up what was already going to happen. His ties and knowledge of spooks made him too valuable. So either he is convicted and gets shanked or acquitted and dies on his vacation. The only coincidence is a storm came up and made the job easier but with collateral damage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t crew quarters generally below guest suites? How did most of the crew survive but the guests did not?

Per the 20 year old mate the crew was called on deck to prep for the storm (put away cushions, plants etc.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

It wasn’t rigged for sail while sitting at anchor, so I don’t understand why you think that is somehow damning.

So it’s the tallest sloop ever made. Ok? And?

It’s basically a scaled-up design, so nothing about it is exactly bleeding edge design. I would argue the retractable keel, assuming it’s retracted while at anchor, which it probably is, is more at-fault than the mast.

Even with sails down the mast and huge boom might have contributed to this boat reaching its tipping point and unable to reset

This. The mast was supersized and heavy. The boom was heavy. The keel was up.

[Anonymous]

I feel for the daughter and the mom who lost her family. I read she was all alone and all the other guests were together. Such a sad reminder of how quickly tragedy can strike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t crew quarters generally below guest suites? How did most of the crew survive but the guests did not?

It was around 4am, so guests were in cabins, crew on deck due to the storm. The chef was sleeping because chefs are off duty at night, so he died too. The captain should have been at dock and not out during the storm. Is it possible the guest insisted on it despite captain's advice? Sure. Still terrible and it made me have more respect for Captain Sandy on Below Deck: she will tell the guests she's staying at dock despite protests and them being very upset, to avoid situations like these.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of Below Deck 😆
This would never happen on Captain Lee's watch!

People please-- you both mean Captain Glenn from Below Deck Sailing Yacht which is what this boat was.

But I do love the other Captains. A. Lot.

He was never making it off the yacht. The fact the freak storm came up just covered up what was already going to happen. His ties and knowledge of spooks made him too valuable. So either he is convicted and gets shanked or acquitted and dies on his vacation. The only coincidence is a storm came up and made the job easier but with collateral damage.

What?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

It wasn’t rigged for sail while sitting at anchor, so I don’t understand why you think that is somehow damning.

So it’s the tallest sloop ever made. Ok? And?

It’s basically a scaled-up design, so nothing about it is exactly bleeding edge design. I would argue the retractable keel, assuming it’s retracted while at anchor, which it probably is, is more at-fault than the mast.

Even with sails down the mast and huge boom might have contributed to this boat reaching its tipping point and unable to reset

This. The mast was supersized and heavy. The boom was heavy. The keel was up.

Keel was up but according to builders regs that was appropriate. So they’re gonna try to pin it on the crew but this seems like a design flaw to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to conjure much sympathy for the ostentatious yacht crowd. And I think the captain has some liability here. But one less billionaire in the world…

The first sentence of the wiki on the sinking is pretty unintentionally funny: "Lynch was celebrating his acquittal for fraud in his trial in San Francisco and had invited lawyers, friends and associates to join him, his wife and their daughter, on a cruise around Sicily."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_(yacht)#Sinking

Very "roaches exterminate themselves"

This is really disgusting. You don't know any of these people.

Seriously disgusting. He was acquitted after spending years on house arrest and a fortune on attorney fees. I feel for his family bc he had a quality company that employed tons of people. Whether HP overpaid or not, they mismanaged if and ran it into the ground and tried to scapegoat him to protect themselves. I also hate the posters on here who jump at the rich. One less billionaire? Think how many people he employed, how much he contributed to the economy, etc. All of that trickles down. Also think of his 2 girls who went from MS - uni (for the older one) with their dad on house arrest and unable to do anything for something he was found not guilty.

You don't get how many people have to suffer for one billionaire to exist. A billionaire is not simply "the rich." A billionaire does not prop up others, they are propped up by others. You don't get this, and that's fine.

You are not even making sense. This guy was a tech guy. Did nothing wrong in first part of his life. Sole company to HP/ Numbers were not right. Criminal trial and guy found not guilty. Nothing propped up. What are you not getting? And as for hording wealth -- first that is why there is wealth but more importantly he could do nothing with his money at all because of the dispute with HP. Learn stuff and grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

It wasn’t rigged for sail while sitting at anchor, so I don’t understand why you think that is somehow damning.

So it’s the tallest sloop ever made. Ok? And?

It’s basically a scaled-up design, so nothing about it is exactly bleeding edge design. I would argue the retractable keel, assuming it’s retracted while at anchor, which it probably is, is more at-fault than the mast.

Even with sails down the mast and huge boom might have contributed to this boat reaching its tipping point and unable to reset

I can tell you don’t understand much about boats, but every vessel has a roll limit where past that point , it will capsize. Very few boats are designed to be self-righting after a roll, most will stay capsized after they go over, so it’s doubtful that even had the water been deep enough for the mast to not have struck the seabed, it almost certainly would not have self righted after the roll.

So none of this would’ve mattered.

I’m reading online that yacht experts think the mast size may have contributed. They’re all wrong but you’re right?

PP does not know. But neither do the "experts" speaking out. I would not believe at all what they are saying at this point --- in six months to a year with more info, maybe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

It wasn’t rigged for sail while sitting at anchor, so I don’t understand why you think that is somehow damning.

So it’s the tallest sloop ever made. Ok? And?

It’s basically a scaled-up design, so nothing about it is exactly bleeding edge design. I would argue the retractable keel, assuming it’s retracted while at anchor, which it probably is, is more at-fault than the mast.

Even with sails down the mast and huge boom might have contributed to this boat reaching its tipping point and unable to reset

I can tell you don’t understand much about boats, but every vessel has a roll limit where past that point , it will capsize. Very few boats are designed to be self-righting after a roll, most will stay capsized after they go over, so it’s doubtful that even had the water been deep enough for the mast to not have struck the seabed, it almost certainly would not have self righted after the roll.

So none of this would’ve mattered.

I’m reading online that yacht experts think the mast size may have contributed. They’re all wrong but you’re right?

PP does not know. But neither do the "experts" speaking out. I would not believe at all what they are saying at this point --- in six months to a year with more info, maybe.

Sure, fair enough. We won’t know until we know. But to say that there is no way the mast size was a potential contributing design flaw that factored in here is obviously not accurate given that very issue is being discussed by people who do know something about blue water crafts