Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t crew quarters generally below guest suites? How did most of the crew survive but the guests did not?

It was around 4am, so guests were in cabins, crew on deck due to the storm. The chef was sleeping because chefs are off duty at night, so he died too. The captain should have been at dock and not out during the storm. Is it possible the guest insisted on it despite captain's advice? Sure. Still terrible and it made me have more respect for Captain Sandy on Below Deck: she will tell the guests she's staying at dock despite protests and them being very upset, to avoid situations like these.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t crew quarters generally below guest suites? How did most of the crew survive but the guests did not?

It was around 4am, so guests were in cabins, crew on deck due to the storm. The chef was sleeping because chefs are off duty at night, so he died too. The captain should have been at dock and not out during the storm. Is it possible the guest insisted on it despite captain's advice? Sure. Still terrible and it made me have more respect for Captain Sandy on Below Deck: she will tell the guests she's staying at dock despite protests and them being very upset, to avoid situations like these.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of Below Deck 😆
This would never happen on Captain Lee's watch!

[Anonymous]

Also at 4am some of the guests might not have been sober. I probably wouldn’t be if I were a guest on a yacht.

[Anonymous]

Various theories include anchor sway, anchor line wrapped under hull increasing heel, max recoverable heel being less than 90 degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:The two accidents seemed too connected to be coincidence, but I didn't follow through to get any details or learn if foul play was suspected in either incident.

In other words, you think one of the people involved can control the weather?

Most marine experts agree that that weather event wouldn’t have been sufficient to sink a boat that size unless there was something else going on.

Link?

Suitably weasel worded: "most" and "experts." Usually that means two people who have seen a boat from a distance and run a YouTube channel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, what is up with Hewlett Packard now going after the widow?

From what I’ve read they are obliged to their shareholders to continue the existing case. There’s some argument that it could possibly be dropped without risk of being sued by shareholders. They aren’t going to get $4B out of her anyway. The judge has already said that ain’t happening even before he died, plus they are only worth $500M. Paupers.

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Anonymous wrote:The two accidents seemed too connected to be coincidence, but I didn't follow through to get any details or learn if foul play was suspected in either incident.

In other words, you think one of the people involved can control the weather?

Most marine experts agree that that weather event wouldn’t have been sufficient to sink a boat that size unless there was something else going on.

Link?

Suitably weasel worded: "most" and "experts." Usually that means two people who have seen a boat from a distance and run a YouTube channel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg343vjwklo.amp

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The two accidents seemed too connected to be coincidence, but I didn't follow through to get any details or learn if foul play was suspected in either incident.

In other words, you think one of the people involved can control the weather?

Most marine experts agree that that weather event wouldn’t have been sufficient to sink a boat that size unless there was something else going on.

Link?

Suitably weasel worded: "most" and "experts." Usually that means two people who have seen a boat from a distance and run a YouTube channel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg343vjwklo.amp

The experts don't support the idea that the weather couldn't sink the boat. Did you post the right link to the right experts?

But experts have told the BBC that this was likely a "black swan" occurrence of freak weather - and that no-one is necessarily at fault.

[Anonymous]

Sailing Scuttlebutt has articles with opinions about anchor sway, the boat, etc. It's a reputable site in the sailing community.

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2024/08/27/former-bayesian-captain-offers-insight/

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2024/08/29/did-anchor-sway-contribute-to-bayesian-tragedy/

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2024/08/30/video-reviewing-the-bayesian-tragedy/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, her of course. But the ship builders are Italian and I think the likelihood that Italian investigators lean to protect them and pin it on a foreign crew will be high. Ask Amanda Knox

+1. The Italian authorities were investigating it as manslaughter.

[Anonymous]

What pretentious git named this boat? Sad

[Anonymous]

The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The name isn’t the problem. It was that the mast had to be the tallest single mast in the world.

It wasn’t rigged for sail while sitting at anchor, so I don’t understand why you think that is somehow damning.

So it’s the tallest sloop ever made. Ok? And?

It’s basically a scaled-up design, so nothing about it is exactly bleeding edge design. I would argue the retractable keel, assuming it’s retracted while at anchor, which it probably is, is more at-fault than the mast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What pretentious git named this boat? Sad

I thought it was an Armenian name.

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Anonymous wrote:The two accidents seemed too connected to be coincidence, but I didn't follow through to get any details or learn if foul play was suspected in either incident.

In other words, you think one of the people involved can control the weather?

Most marine experts agree that that weather event wouldn’t have been sufficient to sink a boat that size unless there was something else going on.

Link?

Suitably weasel worded: "most" and "experts." Usually that means two people who have seen a boat from a distance and run a YouTube channel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg343vjwklo.amp

The experts don't support the idea that the weather couldn't sink the boat. Did you post the right link to the right experts?

But experts have told the BBC that this was likely a "black swan" occurrence of freak weather - and that no-one is necessarily at fault.

I thought they were looking into the possibility that a hatch was open and the keel being partly raised. Another captain nearby said he started his engines to stabilize his boat, don’t know if this boat did the same. Apparently the Bayesian captain is being super cooperative though.