White House 'Strongly Opposes' Proposed 19.5% Pay Hike for Junior Enlisted Troops

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Anonymous wrote:Like any issue, IMO people need to do more research.

Using the calculator on military.com, an E3 with 3 years of service in the DC area with dependents is getting $71,328 annually, including their housing allowance.

If they live on base then the housing allowance goes away but they are essentially living for free in base housing. They (and their dependents) get practically free health/dental/vision care, spouse gets hiring priority for U.S. government jobs, and childcare is ridiculously low.

That's a pretty good deal for someone who (traditionally) is in their early 20s, married and may have a kid or two.

And often not high performers (either grade wise or with low level criminal violations).

What?

What’s so hard to understand? High performers don’t enlist in the military.

If they want to serve they go the officer route. Enlistment is for losers. They would be working at Walmart or flipping burgers if they didn’t have the military.

I can’t even take you seriously.

You can’t refute anything I’ve said.

Enlisted are the bottom of the barrel and are compensated more than enough.

It doesn’t matter if enlisted are not doctors or attorneys or scientists. They do a hard job and our country should pay them enough to rent a decent apartment or home.

I cannot believe you are talking about our Service Members this way. Democrats always are attacking Trump for being mean, crass, without manners, insulting people, disparaging immigrants and other countries.

You are are just as bad as he is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suckers.

The GOP has consistently resisted military pay increases for decades and now, in an election year, they come up with a HUGE pay increase they know will be rejected. Y'all need to be a little more suspect when stuff like this comes out of the blue.

Do they deserve a pay increase? Absolutely. But 19.5% overnight? Pull my other leg.

Do you have a citation for your claim?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Im not sure I understand what the issue is....they are doing a military wide compensation review and want that completed BEFORE signing a 19.5% pay hike correct?

"While Tuesday's statement from the White House suggested Congress should wait until the administration's review is done to make any significant changes to military pay, the senior enlisted leaders for all the military services earlier this year urged lawmakers to act immediately to boost service members' pay.

Additionally, a House Armed Services Committee staffer told reporters last month that a 15% raise for junior enlisted service members is among the options the administration's review is considering.

The White House's statement Tuesday cited cost as a concern with the House's plan. A Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday estimated the increase in pay for junior enlisted troops would cost $24.4 billion from 2025 to 2029.

The administration also argued that service members have already received significant raises in recent years, citing the 5.2% troops got this year and the 4.6% increase last year.

"If the president's FY 2025 request is enacted, service members will have received a 15% basic pay increase in just three years," the statement said, though it would actually add up to 14.3%."

Senior military leaders recommend this. They know lower enlisted troops are struggling.
Bipartisan leadership in the House Armed Services committee recommends this. They have examined the issues.

Lower enlisted troops can’t afford housing. How do you think that’s not problem?

Then housing allowance should be adjusted. Let the formal review be completed and then push this forward. This is all delayed from previous administrations.

Ill also add that the bill the House Committee is trying to push through REMOVES MARIJUANA TESTING FOR RECRUITMENT AND ENLISTED!!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As the military is facing a "once in a generation recruitment crisis," the White House said it "strongly opposes" a proposed nearly 20% pay raise for junior enlisted troops.

"The number one priority for our military is getting that recruitment crisis under control and increasing pay is a good way to do that," said Veterans on Duty chairman Jeremy Hunt on "Fox & Friends" Thursday.

"The administration is strongly committed to taking care of our service members and their families, and appreciates the [House Armed Services Committee's] concern for the needs of the most junior enlisted members, but strongly opposes making a significant, permanent change to the basic pay schedule before the completion of the Fourteenth Quadrennial Review of Military Compensation," the White House said in a statement.


Hunt slammed this opposition, saying, "It's truly remarkable to me. … President Biden has approved over $100 billion in student loan forgiveness. But when it comes to our troops, America's most precious resource, he's complaining about an increase in military pay?"

https://www.foxnews.com/media/embarrassment-white-house-blasted-opposing-pay-hike-troops.amp

That’s actually a great point. Millions for student loan forgiveness; Military families paying oop for their housing costs.

No wonder recruitment is in the toilet.

+10000
What completely screwed up priorities this administration has.

This is where the billions that went to pay off college loans SHOULD have gone.

First off the BILLIONS to pay off loans were regulations enacted by previous administrations that were mishandled. Oh and lets not forgot for-profit and Christian universities that I KNOW republicans were all about and then either collapsed, lost accreditation, or were predatory in loan practices.

A majority of the loan payoff is keeping the loan parameters i.e. 20 years of payments, you get forgiven and the student loan companies were not calculating payments correctly and/or keeping records well. Every single federal loan account is having to be audited.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like any issue, IMO people need to do more research.

Using the calculator on military.com, an E3 with 3 years of service in the DC area with dependents is getting $71,328 annually, including their housing allowance.

If they live on base then the housing allowance goes away but they are essentially living for free in base housing. They (and their dependents) get practically free health/dental/vision care, spouse gets hiring priority for U.S. government jobs, and childcare is ridiculously low.

That's a pretty good deal for someone who (traditionally) is in their early 20s, married and may have a kid or two.

And often not high performers (either grade wise or with low level criminal violations).

What?

What’s so hard to understand? High performers don’t enlist in the military.

If they want to serve they go the officer route. Enlistment is for losers. They would be working at Walmart or flipping burgers if they didn’t have the military.

I can’t even take you seriously.

You can’t refute anything I’ve said.

Enlisted are the bottom of the barrel and are compensated more than enough.

It doesn’t matter if enlisted are not doctors or attorneys or scientists. They do a hard job and our country should pay them enough to rent a decent apartment or home.

I cannot believe you are talking about our Service Members this way. Democrats always are attacking Trump for being mean, crass, without manners, insulting people, disparaging immigrants and other countries.

You are are just as bad as he is.

Waaah cry more. They are misogynist magas who have no value in the modern battlefields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Im not sure I understand what the issue is....they are doing a military wide compensation review and want that completed BEFORE signing a 19.5% pay hike correct?

"While Tuesday's statement from the White House suggested Congress should wait until the administration's review is done to make any significant changes to military pay, the senior enlisted leaders for all the military services earlier this year urged lawmakers to act immediately to boost service members' pay.

Additionally, a House Armed Services Committee staffer told reporters last month that a 15% raise for junior enlisted service members is among the options the administration's review is considering.

The White House's statement Tuesday cited cost as a concern with the House's plan. A Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday estimated the increase in pay for junior enlisted troops would cost $24.4 billion from 2025 to 2029.

The administration also argued that service members have already received significant raises in recent years, citing the 5.2% troops got this year and the 4.6% increase last year.

"If the president's FY 2025 request is enacted, service members will have received a 15% basic pay increase in just three years," the statement said, though it would actually add up to 14.3%."

Senior military leaders recommend this. They know lower enlisted troops are struggling.
Bipartisan leadership in the House Armed Services committee recommends this. They have examined the issues.

Lower enlisted troops can’t afford housing. How do you think that’s not problem?

Then housing allowance should be adjusted. Let the formal review be completed and then push this forward. This is all delayed from previous administrations.

Ill also add that the bill the House Committee is trying to push through REMOVES MARIJUANA TESTING FOR RECRUITMENT AND ENLISTED!!!!!

Do you have a citation that this was delayed by previous administrations?

[Anonymous]

US Military service members currently serve mostly as private militia for the interests of the power class.

This is the rich subsidizing their interests on the backs of the average American taxpayer. Most of these kids will be shipped off to Ukraine or the ME.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Im not sure I understand what the issue is....they are doing a military wide compensation review and want that completed BEFORE signing a 19.5% pay hike correct?

"While Tuesday's statement from the White House suggested Congress should wait until the administration's review is done to make any significant changes to military pay, the senior enlisted leaders for all the military services earlier this year urged lawmakers to act immediately to boost service members' pay.

Additionally, a House Armed Services Committee staffer told reporters last month that a 15% raise for junior enlisted service members is among the options the administration's review is considering.

The White House's statement Tuesday cited cost as a concern with the House's plan. A Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday estimated the increase in pay for junior enlisted troops would cost $24.4 billion from 2025 to 2029.

The administration also argued that service members have already received significant raises in recent years, citing the 5.2% troops got this year and the 4.6% increase last year.

"If the president's FY 2025 request is enacted, service members will have received a 15% basic pay increase in just three years," the statement said, though it would actually add up to 14.3%."

Senior military leaders recommend this. They know lower enlisted troops are struggling.
Bipartisan leadership in the House Armed Services committee recommends this. They have examined the issues.

Lower enlisted troops can’t afford housing. How do you think that’s not problem?

Then housing allowance should be adjusted. Let the formal review be completed and then push this forward. This is all delayed from previous administrations.

Ill also add that the bill the House Committee is trying to push through REMOVES MARIJUANA TESTING FOR RECRUITMENT AND ENLISTED!!!!!

Do you have a citation that this was delayed by previous administrations?

https://www.navycs.com/charts/ https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/07/2023-military-pay-raise-will-be-largest-20-years.html
You can see year by year. President, year, increase. It usually matches fed increases.

Obama recession, no one got raises. Clinton balancing the budget- no one got raises. But Bush and Trump both pro-military and the raises were eh.

And you are uneducated if you think that the base pay is all they get. https://www.navycs.com/military-pay.html And most of the allowances are untaxed. So when you talk about 2000 BAH you need to increase it to what it would be for taxed rate because its untaxed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Im not sure I understand what the issue is....they are doing a military wide compensation review and want that completed BEFORE signing a 19.5% pay hike correct?

"While Tuesday's statement from the White House suggested Congress should wait until the administration's review is done to make any significant changes to military pay, the senior enlisted leaders for all the military services earlier this year urged lawmakers to act immediately to boost service members' pay.

Additionally, a House Armed Services Committee staffer told reporters last month that a 15% raise for junior enlisted service members is among the options the administration's review is considering.

The White House's statement Tuesday cited cost as a concern with the House's plan. A Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday estimated the increase in pay for junior enlisted troops would cost $24.4 billion from 2025 to 2029.

The administration also argued that service members have already received significant raises in recent years, citing the 5.2% troops got this year and the 4.6% increase last year.

"If the president's FY 2025 request is enacted, service members will have received a 15% basic pay increase in just three years," the statement said, though it would actually add up to 14.3%."

Senior military leaders recommend this. They know lower enlisted troops are struggling.
Bipartisan leadership in the House Armed Services committee recommends this. They have examined the issues.

Lower enlisted troops can’t afford housing. How do you think that’s not problem?

Then housing allowance should be adjusted. Let the formal review be completed and then push this forward. This is all delayed from previous administrations.

Ill also add that the bill the House Committee is trying to push through REMOVES MARIJUANA TESTING FOR RECRUITMENT AND ENLISTED!!!!!

Do you have a citation that this was delayed by previous administrations?

https://www.navycs.com/charts/ https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/07/2023-military-pay-raise-will-be-largest-20-years.html
You can see year by year. President, year, increase. It usually matches fed increases.

Obama recession, no one got raises. Clinton balancing the budget- no one got raises. But Bush and Trump both pro-military and the raises were eh.

And you are uneducated if you think that the base pay is all they get. https://www.navycs.com/military-pay.html And most of the allowances are untaxed. So when you talk about 2000 BAH you need to increase it to what it would be for taxed rate because its untaxed.

Dude I retired after 27 years. I am shocked Biden talks about his son and Dr. Jill talks about military families needing support and lower enlisted are struggling to pay their rent.

[Anonymous]

Stop pissing so much money away on the military please. Everyone needs healthcare. But no, we gotta give some high school grad $100k per year now to go kill goat herders in Afghanistan.

They get free healthcare citizens can only dream of. They get free housing. Free food. Free utilities. They know what they sign up for. The military is not an occupation intended to turn soldiers into wealthy UMC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop pissing so much money away on the military please. Everyone needs healthcare. But no, we gotta give some high school grad $100k per year now to go kill goat herders in Afghanistan.

They get free healthcare citizens can only dream of. They get free housing. Free food. Free utilities. They know what they sign up for. The military is not an occupation intended to turn soldiers into wealthy UMC.

They get nothing free, they earn it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop pissing so much money away on the military please. Everyone needs healthcare. But no, we gotta give some high school grad $100k per year now to go kill goat herders in Afghanistan.

They get free healthcare citizens can only dream of. They get free housing. Free food. Free utilities. They know what they sign up for. The military is not an occupation intended to turn soldiers into wealthy UMC.

If it’s so awesome and the average citizen can only dream of the benefits, are you going to enlist? You can have all that too. Why don’t you so so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop pissing so much money away on the military please. Everyone needs healthcare. But no, we gotta give some high school grad $100k per year now to go kill goat herders in Afghanistan.

They get free healthcare citizens can only dream of. They get free housing. Free food. Free utilities. They know what they sign up for. The military is not an occupation intended to turn soldiers into wealthy UMC.

If it’s so awesome and the average citizen can only dream of the benefits, are you going to enlist? You can have all that too. Why don’t you so so?

Because I’m not a loser. I went to college and make more than any enlisted moron could dream of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Im not sure I understand what the issue is....they are doing a military wide compensation review and want that completed BEFORE signing a 19.5% pay hike correct?

"While Tuesday's statement from the White House suggested Congress should wait until the administration's review is done to make any significant changes to military pay, the senior enlisted leaders for all the military services earlier this year urged lawmakers to act immediately to boost service members' pay.

Additionally, a House Armed Services Committee staffer told reporters last month that a 15% raise for junior enlisted service members is among the options the administration's review is considering.

The White House's statement Tuesday cited cost as a concern with the House's plan. A Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday estimated the increase in pay for junior enlisted troops would cost $24.4 billion from 2025 to 2029.

The administration also argued that service members have already received significant raises in recent years, citing the 5.2% troops got this year and the 4.6% increase last year.

"If the president's FY 2025 request is enacted, service members will have received a 15% basic pay increase in just three years," the statement said, though it would actually add up to 14.3%."

Senior military leaders recommend this. They know lower enlisted troops are struggling.
Bipartisan leadership in the House Armed Services committee recommends this. They have examined the issues.

Lower enlisted troops can’t afford housing. How do you think that’s not problem?

Then housing allowance should be adjusted. Let the formal review be completed and then push this forward. This is all delayed from previous administrations.

Ill also add that the bill the House Committee is trying to push through REMOVES MARIJUANA TESTING FOR RECRUITMENT AND ENLISTED!!!!!

Do you have a citation that this was delayed by previous administrations?

https://www.navycs.com/charts/ https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/07/2023-military-pay-raise-will-be-largest-20-years.html
You can see year by year. President, year, increase. It usually matches fed increases.

Obama recession, no one got raises. Clinton balancing the budget- no one got raises. But Bush and Trump both pro-military and the raises were eh.

And you are uneducated if you think that the base pay is all they get. https://www.navycs.com/military-pay.html And most of the allowances are untaxed. So when you talk about 2000 BAH you need to increase it to what it would be for taxed rate because its untaxed.

Dude I retired after 27 years. I am shocked Biden talks about his son and Dr. Jill talks about military families needing support and lower enlisted are struggling to pay their rent.

They arent struggling to pay their rent. They are struggling because the bases are in HCOL and the government doesnt properly adjust for COL. The government also wont regulate housing and who is purchasing housing. The Ft Carson example was talking about people wanting to buy homes because of VA loans and equity but buying a home isnt a guarantee and shouldnt be what we are increasing pay towards. They have 26000 personnel but only 3100 housing units. Why was base personnel expanded without housing expanded? The base command is now advocating for reduction in builder liability so that they can get more condos built......they are all over the place. And then commenting about how some of the families have to have dual incomes to survive........ermmm yes so do most families. I didnt realize that being an enlisted meant you got a SAHP. Are we subsidizing that now?

Id love to see the numbers on how much base housing costs the military to run versus BAH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Im not sure I understand what the issue is....they are doing a military wide compensation review and want that completed BEFORE signing a 19.5% pay hike correct?

"While Tuesday's statement from the White House suggested Congress should wait until the administration's review is done to make any significant changes to military pay, the senior enlisted leaders for all the military services earlier this year urged lawmakers to act immediately to boost service members' pay.

Additionally, a House Armed Services Committee staffer told reporters last month that a 15% raise for junior enlisted service members is among the options the administration's review is considering.

The White House's statement Tuesday cited cost as a concern with the House's plan. A Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday estimated the increase in pay for junior enlisted troops would cost $24.4 billion from 2025 to 2029.

The administration also argued that service members have already received significant raises in recent years, citing the 5.2% troops got this year and the 4.6% increase last year.

"If the president's FY 2025 request is enacted, service members will have received a 15% basic pay increase in just three years," the statement said, though it would actually add up to 14.3%."

Senior military leaders recommend this. They know lower enlisted troops are struggling.
Bipartisan leadership in the House Armed Services committee recommends this. They have examined the issues.

Lower enlisted troops can’t afford housing. How do you think that’s not problem?

Then housing allowance should be adjusted. Let the formal review be completed and then push this forward. This is all delayed from previous administrations.

Ill also add that the bill the House Committee is trying to push through REMOVES MARIJUANA TESTING FOR RECRUITMENT AND ENLISTED!!!!!

Do you have a citation that this was delayed by previous administrations?

https://www.navycs.com/charts/ https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/07/2023-military-pay-raise-will-be-largest-20-years.html
You can see year by year. President, year, increase. It usually matches fed increases.

Obama recession, no one got raises. Clinton balancing the budget- no one got raises. But Bush and Trump both pro-military and the raises were eh.

And you are uneducated if you think that the base pay is all they get. https://www.navycs.com/military-pay.html And most of the allowances are untaxed. So when you talk about 2000 BAH you need to increase it to what it would be for taxed rate because its untaxed.

Dude I retired after 27 years. I am shocked Biden talks about his son and Dr. Jill talks about military families needing support and lower enlisted are struggling to pay their rent.

They arent struggling to pay their rent. They are struggling because the bases are in HCOL and the government doesnt properly adjust for COL. The government also wont regulate housing and who is purchasing housing. The Ft Carson example was talking about people wanting to buy homes because of VA loans and equity but buying a home isnt a guarantee and shouldnt be what we are increasing pay towards. They have 26000 personnel but only 3100 housing units. Why was base personnel expanded without housing expanded? The base command is now advocating for reduction in builder liability so that they can get more condos built......they are all over the place. And then commenting about how some of the families have to have dual incomes to survive........ermmm yes so do most families. I didnt realize that being an enlisted meant you got a SAHP. Are we subsidizing that now?

Id love to see the numbers on how much base housing costs the military to run versus BAH

A lot of factors make it more difficult for the spouse of a military member to have a career, especially if they have young children. Frequent moves make it difficult to establish client bases and maintain state issued licenses/certifications. Also makes it more difficult to network. The fact that literally any time your spouse could deploy to an undisclosed location, for an undetermined amount of time, with less than 24 hours notice, means you have to be ready to be 100% responsible for all daycare pickups/drop offs and parenting.