Metro Jumping

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a daily Metro commuter; I haven’t been near a Metro track in years because to do so activates my anxiety to panic levels. And yes, I have a diagnosis of panic disorder and have taken meds for decades.

My metro panic developed from claustrophobia but now I’m sorry to report is multifaceted. I have no interest in facing my fears as I’ve done with airplane travel. I simply will not ride Metro.

As challenging as airplane travel can be, at least the passenger sitting next to you is not lighting up a joint mid-flight and likely didn’t vault past the security checkpoint and the gate agent to board the plane without paying.

But who cares if the person next to you vaulted over the turnstile? Why would the fact that they didn’t pay make you more anxious?

Fare evasion is theft of services. And you can be sure that anyone who commits assault, robbery or some other crime likely didn’t pay a faire to ride.

OK, but that doesn't mean that the person next to you who didn't pay likely is going to commit assault or robbery. Besides, once you're on the train, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the other people in the system paid or not when they walked in, except in a small handful of cases where you see people entering when you do.

Do you ride Metro regularly? Or you just have an opinion on how it's sketchy now because people aren't paying? I commute to and from work by Metro two or three days a week, and I really am not remotely bothered by individual people not paying, except insofar as it's obviously not good for the system if they're not collecting fares. I pay. I don't care if the person next to me paid. None of them have assaulted me.

There is a strong correlation between people who commit this crime and people who commit other crimes. People are generally not selectively anti-social.

Yes, but even if 100 percent of crime committed on Metro is committed by people who don't pay their fares, we don't know (a) what percentage of people who don't pay their fares commit other crimes (it's surely a small one, though) or (b) who among your fellow passengers hasn't paid their fares. So again, I don't worry about it when I'm on Metro.

Wow, you’re so smart. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a daily Metro commuter; I haven’t been near a Metro track in years because to do so activates my anxiety to panic levels. And yes, I have a diagnosis of panic disorder and have taken meds for decades.

My metro panic developed from claustrophobia but now I’m sorry to report is multifaceted. I have no interest in facing my fears as I’ve done with airplane travel. I simply will not ride Metro.

As challenging as airplane travel can be, at least the passenger sitting next to you is not lighting up a joint mid-flight and likely didn’t vault past the security checkpoint and the gate agent to board the plane without paying.

But who cares if the person next to you vaulted over the turnstile? Why would the fact that they didn’t pay make you more anxious?

Fare evasion is theft of services. And you can be sure that anyone who commits assault, robbery or some other crime likely didn’t pay a faire to ride.

OK, but that doesn't mean that the person next to you who didn't pay likely is going to commit assault or robbery. Besides, once you're on the train, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the other people in the system paid or not when they walked in, except in a small handful of cases where you see people entering when you do.

Do you ride Metro regularly? Or you just have an opinion on how it's sketchy now because people aren't paying? I commute to and from work by Metro two or three days a week, and I really am not remotely bothered by individual people not paying, except insofar as it's obviously not good for the system if they're not collecting fares. I pay. I don't care if the person next to me paid. None of them have assaulted me.

There is a strong correlation between people who commit this crime and people who commit other crimes. People are generally not selectively anti-social.

Yes, but even if 100 percent of crime committed on Metro is committed by people who don't pay their fares, we don't know (a) what percentage of people who don't pay their fares commit other crimes (it's surely a small one, though) or (b) who among your fellow passengers hasn't paid their fares. So again, I don't worry about it when I'm on Metro.

So you’ve said…but if you are not caring so hard, why are you here posting in this thread?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The last time I rode metro an unhoused man was smoking drugs that were not marijuana and screaming obscenities.

A bunch of people, including myself, get off as quickly as possible and move to a different car. I always wonder about the people that stayed.

They weren't racists.

lol…back in my day trolls at least tried a little bit.

OK. How about, "Statistically speaking, you are more likely to be assaulted by a cishet White male than an unhoused person." Moving to another car just puts you in more danger.

Why are you assuming the unhoused person in this story isn’t a cis white male? The biases in this forum are unreal.

I didn't say her or she was. I said a cishet White male more likely to assault you than some random unhoused person. Moving to another car with more White men is increasing your risk, not reducing it. You are safer in the car with fewer people even if one of the passengers is an unhoused cishet White male.

Please provide the basis for this claim (& specifically in DC). What data are you using?

https://www.commerce.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/hau-chg-mythsfacts-12-8-2016.pdf

[Anonymous]

Riding the metro and busses is very unpleasant. I was taking the bus to the metro but it was dirty and I got tired of waiting, especially in bad weather. Started driving and parking at the metro but I hated walking to my car after work because it was very sketchy. So now I drive and have not looked back.

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Anonymous wrote:The last time I rode metro an unhoused man was smoking drugs that were not marijuana and screaming obscenities.

A bunch of people, including myself, get off as quickly as possible and move to a different car. I always wonder about the people that stayed.

They weren't racists.

lol…back in my day trolls at least tried a little bit.

OK. How about, "Statistically speaking, you are more likely to be assaulted by a cishet White male than an unhoused person." Moving to another car just puts you in more danger.

Why are you assuming the unhoused person in this story isn’t a cis white male? The biases in this forum are unreal.

I didn't say her or she was. I said a cishet White male more likely to assault you than some random unhoused person. Moving to another car with more White men is increasing your risk, not reducing it. You are safer in the car with fewer people even if one of the passengers is an unhoused cishet White male.

Please provide the basis for this claim (& specifically in DC). What data are you using?

https://www.commerce.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/hau-chg-mythsfacts-12-8-2016.pdf

DP. Do you really not know the difference between Washington state and Washington, D.C.? LOL!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a daily Metro commuter; I haven’t been near a Metro track in years because to do so activates my anxiety to panic levels. And yes, I have a diagnosis of panic disorder and have taken meds for decades.

My metro panic developed from claustrophobia but now I’m sorry to report is multifaceted. I have no interest in facing my fears as I’ve done with airplane travel. I simply will not ride Metro.

As challenging as airplane travel can be, at least the passenger sitting next to you is not lighting up a joint mid-flight and likely didn’t vault past the security checkpoint and the gate agent to board the plane without paying.

But who cares if the person next to you vaulted over the turnstile? Why would the fact that they didn’t pay make you more anxious?

Fare evasion is theft of services. And you can be sure that anyone who commits assault, robbery or some other crime likely didn’t pay a faire to ride.

OK, but that doesn't mean that the person next to you who didn't pay likely is going to commit assault or robbery. Besides, once you're on the train, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the other people in the system paid or not when they walked in, except in a small handful of cases where you see people entering when you do.

Do you ride Metro regularly? Or you just have an opinion on how it's sketchy now because people aren't paying? I commute to and from work by Metro two or three days a week, and I really am not remotely bothered by individual people not paying, except insofar as it's obviously not good for the system if they're not collecting fares. I pay. I don't care if the person next to me paid. None of them have assaulted me.

There is a strong correlation between people who commit this crime and people who commit other crimes. People are generally not selectively anti-social.

Yes, but even if 100 percent of crime committed on Metro is committed by people who don't pay their fares, we don't know (a) what percentage of people who don't pay their fares commit other crimes (it's surely a small one, though) or (b) who among your fellow passengers hasn't paid their fares. So again, I don't worry about it when I'm on Metro.

So you’ve said…but if you are not caring so hard, why are you here posting in this thread?

Because I think the rest of you who are gnashing your teeth about it are being ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a daily Metro commuter; I haven’t been near a Metro track in years because to do so activates my anxiety to panic levels. And yes, I have a diagnosis of panic disorder and have taken meds for decades.

My metro panic developed from claustrophobia but now I’m sorry to report is multifaceted. I have no interest in facing my fears as I’ve done with airplane travel. I simply will not ride Metro.

As challenging as airplane travel can be, at least the passenger sitting next to you is not lighting up a joint mid-flight and likely didn’t vault past the security checkpoint and the gate agent to board the plane without paying.

But who cares if the person next to you vaulted over the turnstile? Why would the fact that they didn’t pay make you more anxious?

Fare evasion is theft of services. And you can be sure that anyone who commits assault, robbery or some other crime likely didn’t pay a faire to ride.

OK, but that doesn't mean that the person next to you who didn't pay likely is going to commit assault or robbery. Besides, once you're on the train, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the other people in the system paid or not when they walked in, except in a small handful of cases where you see people entering when you do.

Do you ride Metro regularly? Or you just have an opinion on how it's sketchy now because people aren't paying? I commute to and from work by Metro two or three days a week, and I really am not remotely bothered by individual people not paying, except insofar as it's obviously not good for the system if they're not collecting fares. I pay. I don't care if the person next to me paid. None of them have assaulted me.

There is a strong correlation between people who commit this crime and people who commit other crimes. People are generally not selectively anti-social.

Yes, but even if 100 percent of crime committed on Metro is committed by people who don't pay their fares, we don't know (a) what percentage of people who don't pay their fares commit other crimes (it's surely a small one, though) or (b) who among your fellow passengers hasn't paid their fares. So again, I don't worry about it when I'm on Metro.

So you’ve said…but if you are not caring so hard, why are you here posting in this thread?

Because I think the rest of you who are gnashing your teeth about it are being ridiculous.

The person who doesn’t know that Washington, DC is not in Washington state wants us to know that we’re being ridiculous and that they of course know better. Wild!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a daily Metro commuter; I haven’t been near a Metro track in years because to do so activates my anxiety to panic levels. And yes, I have a diagnosis of panic disorder and have taken meds for decades.

My metro panic developed from claustrophobia but now I’m sorry to report is multifaceted. I have no interest in facing my fears as I’ve done with airplane travel. I simply will not ride Metro.

As challenging as airplane travel can be, at least the passenger sitting next to you is not lighting up a joint mid-flight and likely didn’t vault past the security checkpoint and the gate agent to board the plane without paying.

But who cares if the person next to you vaulted over the turnstile? Why would the fact that they didn’t pay make you more anxious?

Fare evasion is theft of services. And you can be sure that anyone who commits assault, robbery or some other crime likely didn’t pay a faire to ride.

OK, but that doesn't mean that the person next to you who didn't pay likely is going to commit assault or robbery. Besides, once you're on the train, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the other people in the system paid or not when they walked in, except in a small handful of cases where you see people entering when you do.

Do you ride Metro regularly? Or you just have an opinion on how it's sketchy now because people aren't paying? I commute to and from work by Metro two or three days a week, and I really am not remotely bothered by individual people not paying, except insofar as it's obviously not good for the system if they're not collecting fares. I pay. I don't care if the person next to me paid. None of them have assaulted me.

There is a strong correlation between people who commit this crime and people who commit other crimes. People are generally not selectively anti-social.

Yes, but even if 100 percent of crime committed on Metro is committed by people who don't pay their fares, we don't know (a) what percentage of people who don't pay their fares commit other crimes (it's surely a small one, though) or (b) who among your fellow passengers hasn't paid their fares. So again, I don't worry about it when I'm on Metro.

So you’ve said…but if you are not caring so hard, why are you here posting in this thread?

Because I think the rest of you who are gnashing your teeth about it are being ridiculous.

I don’t really care about the metro, I don’t have to ride it any longer. For my trips into DC I can Uber. It’s more about the casual acceptance of antisocial behaviors. It doesn’t bother you, so you don’t care. People don’t care about shoplifting. Maybe a little is ok.

Then, maybe a little racism is ok, too. If you are a man, why would a little casual misogyny bother you?

Come on, we live in a society, act like an adult.

[Anonymous]

All i know is when I was a kid in the 80s, and DC was a far poorer town, I never saw anyone (except MAYBE someone really destitute looking people) jump the fair gates. We had our little pink student metrocards and we used them. If you lost your card, you would ask a stranger for money (OK, maybe not the best idea, but people helped!) or ask the station manager for a break. Jumping was just not even part of the equation.

Now, I am sure some teenagers etc did it on the regular, but the idea of every day seeing normal, employed-looking 20-30- and 40-something people just walking thru (over) the gates without paying (like we do today) -- because they felt like not paying -- was not a thing at all.

Chaos begets chaos. Not paying begets more not paying. Safety goes down. All the other rules like not drinking, eating or smoking (weed) fall apart too.

The new WMATA guy at least seems to get this and has made a read dent in the problem. No one wants to be handing out big fine (that won't get paid) or for anyone to go to jail. Just be a good citizen about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a daily Metro commuter; I haven’t been near a Metro track in years because to do so activates my anxiety to panic levels. And yes, I have a diagnosis of panic disorder and have taken meds for decades.

My metro panic developed from claustrophobia but now I’m sorry to report is multifaceted. I have no interest in facing my fears as I’ve done with airplane travel. I simply will not ride Metro.

As challenging as airplane travel can be, at least the passenger sitting next to you is not lighting up a joint mid-flight and likely didn’t vault past the security checkpoint and the gate agent to board the plane without paying.

But who cares if the person next to you vaulted over the turnstile? Why would the fact that they didn’t pay make you more anxious?

Fare evasion is theft of services. And you can be sure that anyone who commits assault, robbery or some other crime likely didn’t pay a faire to ride.

OK, but that doesn't mean that the person next to you who didn't pay likely is going to commit assault or robbery. Besides, once you're on the train, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the other people in the system paid or not when they walked in, except in a small handful of cases where you see people entering when you do.

Do you ride Metro regularly? Or you just have an opinion on how it's sketchy now because people aren't paying? I commute to and from work by Metro two or three days a week, and I really am not remotely bothered by individual people not paying, except insofar as it's obviously not good for the system if they're not collecting fares. I pay. I don't care if the person next to me paid. None of them have assaulted me.

There is a strong correlation between people who commit this crime and people who commit other crimes. People are generally not selectively anti-social.

Yes, but even if 100 percent of crime committed on Metro is committed by people who don't pay their fares, we don't know (a) what percentage of people who don't pay their fares commit other crimes (it's surely a small one, though) or (b) who among your fellow passengers hasn't paid their fares. So again, I don't worry about it when I'm on Metro.

So you’ve said…but if you are not caring so hard, why are you here posting in this thread?

Because I think the rest of you who are gnashing your teeth about it are being ridiculous.

I don’t really care about the metro, I don’t have to ride it any longer. For my trips into DC I can Uber. It’s more about the casual acceptance of antisocial behaviors. It doesn’t bother you, so you don’t care. People don’t care about shoplifting. Maybe a little is ok.

Then, maybe a little racism is ok, too. If you are a man, why would a little casual misogyny bother you?

Come on, we live in a society, act like an adult.

I am acting like an adult: I pay my Metro fare and go about my business without whining about what the people around me are or aren't doing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a daily Metro commuter; I haven’t been near a Metro track in years because to do so activates my anxiety to panic levels. And yes, I have a diagnosis of panic disorder and have taken meds for decades.

My metro panic developed from claustrophobia but now I’m sorry to report is multifaceted. I have no interest in facing my fears as I’ve done with airplane travel. I simply will not ride Metro.

As challenging as airplane travel can be, at least the passenger sitting next to you is not lighting up a joint mid-flight and likely didn’t vault past the security checkpoint and the gate agent to board the plane without paying.

But who cares if the person next to you vaulted over the turnstile? Why would the fact that they didn’t pay make you more anxious?

Fare evasion is theft of services. And you can be sure that anyone who commits assault, robbery or some other crime likely didn’t pay a faire to ride.

OK, but that doesn't mean that the person next to you who didn't pay likely is going to commit assault or robbery. Besides, once you're on the train, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the other people in the system paid or not when they walked in, except in a small handful of cases where you see people entering when you do.

Do you ride Metro regularly? Or you just have an opinion on how it's sketchy now because people aren't paying? I commute to and from work by Metro two or three days a week, and I really am not remotely bothered by individual people not paying, except insofar as it's obviously not good for the system if they're not collecting fares. I pay. I don't care if the person next to me paid. None of them have assaulted me.

There is a strong correlation between people who commit this crime and people who commit other crimes. People are generally not selectively anti-social.

Yes, but even if 100 percent of crime committed on Metro is committed by people who don't pay their fares, we don't know (a) what percentage of people who don't pay their fares commit other crimes (it's surely a small one, though) or (b) who among your fellow passengers hasn't paid their fares. So again, I don't worry about it when I'm on Metro.

So you’ve said…but if you are not caring so hard, why are you here posting in this thread?

Because I think the rest of you who are gnashing your teeth about it are being ridiculous.

The person who doesn’t know that Washington, DC is not in Washington state wants us to know that we’re being ridiculous and that they of course know better. Wild!

Actually that's a different poster, I skipped past the two pages on homelessness and cisgender white men, which seemed to be completely unrelated to whether I as a Metro rider should personally feel victimized by the fact that not everyone is paying their fare. But yeah, posting the Washington state data sheet seems like a bit of a self-own for that guy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The last time I rode metro an unhoused man was smoking drugs that were not marijuana and screaming obscenities.

A bunch of people, including myself, get off as quickly as possible and move to a different car. I always wonder about the people that stayed.

They weren't racists.

lol…back in my day trolls at least tried a little bit.

OK. How about, "Statistically speaking, you are more likely to be assaulted by a cishet White male than an unhoused person." Moving to another car just puts you in more danger.

Why are you assuming the unhoused person in this story isn’t a cis white male? The biases in this forum are unreal.

I didn't say her or she was. I said a cishet White male more likely to assault you than some random unhoused person. Moving to another car with more White men is increasing your risk, not reducing it. You are safer in the car with fewer people even if one of the passengers is an unhoused cishet White male.

Please provide the basis for this claim (& specifically in DC). What data are you using?

https://www.commerce.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/hau-chg-mythsfacts-12-8-2016.pdf

DP. Do you really not know the difference between Washington state and Washington, D.C.? LOL!

Do you think the unhoused in DC are somehow more violent than the unhoused in Washington?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All i know is when I was a kid in the 80s, and DC was a far poorer town, I never saw anyone (except MAYBE someone really destitute looking people) jump the fair gates. We had our little pink student metrocards and we used them. If you lost your card, you would ask a stranger for money (OK, maybe not the best idea, but people helped!) or ask the station manager for a break. Jumping was just not even part of the equation.

Now, I am sure some teenagers etc did it on the regular, but the idea of every day seeing normal, employed-looking 20-30- and 40-something people just walking thru (over) the gates without paying (like we do today) -- because they felt like not paying -- was not a thing at all.

Chaos begets chaos. Not paying begets more not paying. Safety goes down. All the other rules like not drinking, eating or smoking (weed) fall apart too.

The new WMATA guy at least seems to get this and has made a read dent in the problem. No one wants to be handing out big fine (that won't get paid) or for anyone to go to jail. Just be a good citizen about it.

I wonder about this too...how did it suddenly become a thing? Some kid did it and then his friends started and then when they did not get in trouble many kids did it. The kids grew up and still continued to jump. Other people then felt that paying was optional...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All i know is when I was a kid in the 80s, and DC was a far poorer town, I never saw anyone (except MAYBE someone really destitute looking people) jump the fair gates. We had our little pink student metrocards and we used them. If you lost your card, you would ask a stranger for money (OK, maybe not the best idea, but people helped!) or ask the station manager for a break. Jumping was just not even part of the equation.

Now, I am sure some teenagers etc did it on the regular, but the idea of every day seeing normal, employed-looking 20-30- and 40-something people just walking thru (over) the gates without paying (like we do today) -- because they felt like not paying -- was not a thing at all.

Chaos begets chaos. Not paying begets more not paying. Safety goes down. All the other rules like not drinking, eating or smoking (weed) fall apart too.

The new WMATA guy at least seems to get this and has made a read dent in the problem. No one wants to be handing out big fine (that won't get paid) or for anyone to go to jail. Just be a good citizen about it.

I wonder about this too...how did it suddenly become a thing? Some kid did it and then his friends started and then when they did not get in trouble many kids did it. The kids grew up and still continued to jump. Other people then felt that paying was optional...

No, it's actually because in 2018, the District decriminalized Metro fare evasion, which used to be a criminal offense with a $300 penalty, and made it a civil violation with a $50 fine that was essentially impossible to collect.

I am the same PP who thinks this is not a big deal, fwiw, but it's not exactly a mystery why it started happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The last time I rode metro an unhoused man was smoking drugs that were not marijuana and screaming obscenities.

A bunch of people, including myself, get off as quickly as possible and move to a different car. I always wonder about the people that stayed.

They weren't racists.

lol…back in my day trolls at least tried a little bit.

OK. How about, "Statistically speaking, you are more likely to be assaulted by a cishet White male than an unhoused person." Moving to another car just puts you in more danger.

Why are you assuming the unhoused person in this story isn’t a cis white male? The biases in this forum are unreal.

I didn't say her or she was. I said a cishet White male more likely to assault you than some random unhoused person. Moving to another car with more White men is increasing your risk, not reducing it. You are safer in the car with fewer people even if one of the passengers is an unhoused cishet White male.

Please provide the basis for this claim (& specifically in DC). What data are you using?

https://www.commerce.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/hau-chg-mythsfacts-12-8-2016.pdf

DP. Do you really not know the difference between Washington state and Washington, D.C.? LOL!

Do you think the unhoused in DC are somehow more violent than the unhoused in Washington?

Stop insulting yourself.