Brown reinstating SATs/ACT requirements

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Anonymous wrote:colleges will start making announcements for class of 2026 soon to give current sophomores plenty of time to prep.

Current juniors will be the last class to have real test optional options.

Brown and Dartmouth are implementing them for class of 2029 (currently juniors)...no options there. At least Yale offers flexibility on the types of tests accepted.

HS class of 2025 should be exempted from these requirements giving the timing of the announcements.

That's silly. Surely kids (and parents, and counselors) knew that schools were reviewing the policies and considering going back to test-required. Anyway, March-August before senior year is a fine and traditional time to take the exam. (Really, are there kids who never even take the exams because of TO policies? I assumed almost all took the exams and decided not to submit based on lower-than-hoped-for scores.)

Your kid has over 7 months to take the test even if class of 2025. Some even take October of senior year.

Come on--they obviously took it once and did bad. Or took a mock at their school and figured they would have to do too much 'work' and studying to raise some points.

We already know that. Virtually every kid in the DMV takes it at least once. Every HS in the DMV suggests this. My kid is a sophomore and their school already provided free mock ACT and mock SATs.

IF they kid didn't ---well---they already weeded themselves out.

This! Every parent here fighting for TO with pretend reasons really does have a kid who didn't do well in the tests. A good number of them are spending multiple hundreds an hour to get that score to go up to that magic 1350 number. Of course, they'd all like for the SATs to disappear

Wow you know what EVERY parent is thinking? What a skill!

No, that's not what every parent is thinking. We only ever planned to take the SAT if the schools targeting it required it. Luckily, as of right now, none do. We also never took a "mock" test b/c the test would have been paper when we did so and the actual test digital (different tests).

We simply chose not to spend the time or money on these tests unless we had to.

No PSAT?

[Anonymous]

UC system will once again be test required, albeit their own test, within four years.

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Anonymous wrote:My Senior kicked butt on standardized tests...of course, it's the year after him they come back.

my now freshman DC had amazing SAT scores, but a lot of colleges were TO. Bad luck of the draw.

Is that why they think they didn't get in some places? If so, you should be sure they at least understand that it wasn't the only reason.

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Anonymous wrote:From the email:

Brown will continue to offer its Early Decision option, which is attractive to prospective students and has contributed to efforts to enroll an undergraduate class that is both highly qualified and diverse.

Starting with next year’s application cycle (effective for the Class of 2029), Brown will reinstate the requirement that applicants for first-year admission submit standardized tests scores (the SAT or ACT, except in the rare circumstance when these tests are not available to a student). This will accompany enhanced communications to students and school counselors emphasizing that test scores are interpreted in the context of a student’s background and educational opportunities.

Current practices for applicants with family connections — including “legacies” and children of faculty and staff — will remain unchanged while we continue to consider a range of complex questions raised by the committee and seek more input from our community.

Have no issue with them doing it but very later notification since most who are planning on taking it already signed up. No open slots by us testing unless you drive 2+ hours - (not CA) - would only have the potential August slot open- they have half the amount of locations they had in the past since not as many students are taking it.

Not a lot of time for kids to now study with AP tests etc.

People take these tests in senior year all the time. That is the norm in this country. Not too late at all to sign up if you are in 11th now.

There are no Sat dates past June in our area - there is supposed to be one in August and then one sometime in October- kind of late when the common spoons in August and ED for brown is 11/1- you might not have your October score back before ED is due.

Pre covid the latest high performer kids took it in our area was May - and the August was only used if they were trying to study just one area to increase their super score. Most took SAT around same time as PSAT - would try and qualify for National Merit.

[Anonymous]

The group really moaning right now is the coaches at these top schools. TO policies temporarily gave them considerable leeway recruiting and some would directly advise against (or for) submitting scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:colleges will start making announcements for class of 2026 soon to give current sophomores plenty of time to prep.

Current juniors will be the last class to have real test optional options.

Brown and Dartmouth are implementing them for class of 2029 (currently juniors)...no options there. At least Yale offers flexibility on the types of tests accepted.

HS class of 2025 should be exempted from these requirements giving the timing of the announcements.

That's silly. Surely kids (and parents, and counselors) knew that schools were reviewing the policies and considering going back to test-required. Anyway, March-August before senior year is a fine and traditional time to take the exam. (Really, are there kids who never even take the exams because of TO policies? I assumed almost all took the exams and decided not to submit based on lower-than-hoped-for scores.)

Your kid has over 7 months to take the test even if class of 2025. Some even take October of senior year.

Come on--they obviously took it once and did bad. Or took a mock at their school and figured they would have to do too much 'work' and studying to raise some points.

We already know that. Virtually every kid in the DMV takes it at least once. Every HS in the DMV suggests this. My kid is a sophomore and their school already provided free mock ACT and mock SATs.

IF they kid didn't ---well---they already weeded themselves out.

This! Every parent here fighting for TO with pretend reasons really does have a kid who didn't do well in the tests. A good number of them are spending multiple hundreds an hour to get that score to go up to that magic 1350 number. Of course, they'd all like for the SATs to disappear

Wow you know what EVERY parent is thinking? What a skill!

No, that's not what every parent is thinking. We only ever planned to take the SAT if the schools targeting it required it. Luckily, as of right now, none do. We also never took a "mock" test b/c the test would have been paper when we did so and the actual test digital (different tests).

We simply chose not to spend the time or money on these tests unless we had to.

Are you in California or something? This seems like an odd approach for someone aiming for Brown. I haven’t heard of a single one of my DC’s friends that didn’t take the test at least twice. We are in the DMV.

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Penn announced TO for next cycle 2024-25

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the email:

Brown will continue to offer its Early Decision option, which is attractive to prospective students and has contributed to efforts to enroll an undergraduate class that is both highly qualified and diverse.

Starting with next year’s application cycle (effective for the Class of 2029), Brown will reinstate the requirement that applicants for first-year admission submit standardized tests scores (the SAT or ACT, except in the rare circumstance when these tests are not available to a student). This will accompany enhanced communications to students and school counselors emphasizing that test scores are interpreted in the context of a student’s background and educational opportunities.

Current practices for applicants with family connections — including “legacies” and children of faculty and staff — will remain unchanged while we continue to consider a range of complex questions raised by the committee and seek more input from our community.

Have no issue with them doing it but very later notification since most who are planning on taking it already signed up. No open slots by us testing unless you drive 2+ hours - (not CA) - would only have the potential August slot open- they have half the amount of locations they had in the past since not as many students are taking it.

Not a lot of time for kids to now study with AP tests etc.

People take these tests in senior year all the time. That is the norm in this country. Not too late at all to sign up if you are in 11th now.

There are no Sat dates past June in our area - there is supposed to be one in August and then one sometime in October- kind of late when the common spoons in August and ED for brown is 11/1- you might not have your October score back before ED is due.

Pre covid the latest high performer kids took it in our area was May - and the August was only used if they were trying to study just one area to increase their super score. Most took SAT around same time as PSAT - would try and qualify for National Merit.

You’d have both August and October tests back in time for ED. This isn’t a this year thing. Plenty of kids take the Oct test every year and have it in time for ED. And things are faster this year bcs of DSAT.

Take it both dates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:colleges will start making announcements for class of 2026 soon to give current sophomores plenty of time to prep.

Current juniors will be the last class to have real test optional options.

Brown and Dartmouth are implementing them for class of 2029 (currently juniors)...no options there. At least Yale offers flexibility on the types of tests accepted.

HS class of 2025 should be exempted from these requirements giving the timing of the announcements.

That's silly. Surely kids (and parents, and counselors) knew that schools were reviewing the policies and considering going back to test-required. Anyway, March-August before senior year is a fine and traditional time to take the exam. (Really, are there kids who never even take the exams because of TO policies? I assumed almost all took the exams and decided not to submit based on lower-than-hoped-for scores.)

Your kid has over 7 months to take the test even if class of 2025. Some even take October of senior year.

Come on--they obviously took it once and did bad. Or took a mock at their school and figured they would have to do too much 'work' and studying to raise some points.

We already know that. Virtually every kid in the DMV takes it at least once. Every HS in the DMV suggests this. My kid is a sophomore and their school already provided free mock ACT and mock SATs.

IF they kid didn't ---well---they already weeded themselves out.

This! Every parent here fighting for TO with pretend reasons really does have a kid who didn't do well in the tests. A good number of them are spending multiple hundreds an hour to get that score to go up to that magic 1350 number. Of course, they'd all like for the SATs to disappear

Wow you know what EVERY parent is thinking? What a skill!

No, that's not what every parent is thinking. We only ever planned to take the SAT if the schools targeting it required it. Luckily, as of right now, none do. We also never took a "mock" test b/c the test would have been paper when we did so and the actual test digital (different tests).

We simply chose not to spend the time or money on these tests unless we had to.

Okay so now you have to. If you have these few schools on your list.

It doesn’t put you at a disadvantage. Kids did spend time on this and yours did not. That was a calculation you made and a chance you took. Now you need to pivot. You knew that was a possibility. GL!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Penn announced TO for next cycle 2024-25

Not surprised, they’re raking in the athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the email:

Brown will continue to offer its Early Decision option, which is attractive to prospective students and has contributed to efforts to enroll an undergraduate class that is both highly qualified and diverse.

Starting with next year’s application cycle (effective for the Class of 2029), Brown will reinstate the requirement that applicants for first-year admission submit standardized tests scores (the SAT or ACT, except in the rare circumstance when these tests are not available to a student). This will accompany enhanced communications to students and school counselors emphasizing that test scores are interpreted in the context of a student’s background and educational opportunities.

Current practices for applicants with family connections — including “legacies” and children of faculty and staff — will remain unchanged while we continue to consider a range of complex questions raised by the committee and seek more input from our community.

Have no issue with them doing it but very later notification since most who are planning on taking it already signed up. No open slots by us testing unless you drive 2+ hours - (not CA) - would only have the potential August slot open- they have half the amount of locations they had in the past since not as many students are taking it.

Not a lot of time for kids to now study with AP tests etc.

People take these tests in senior year all the time. That is the norm in this country. Not too late at all to sign up if you are in 11th now.

There are no Sat dates past June in our area - there is supposed to be one in August and then one sometime in October- kind of late when the common spoons in August and ED for brown is 11/1- you might not have your October score back before ED is due.

Pre covid the latest high performer kids took it in our area was May - and the August was only used if they were trying to study just one area to increase their super score. Most took SAT around same time as PSAT - would try and qualify for National Merit.

Registration for 2024-25 test dates (beginning with August) does not open until May/June.

Oct is in plenty of time for Brown ED. Scores are released 13 days after the test. The test is 10/5/24.

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Anonymous wrote:Penn announced TO for next cycle 2024-25

I don’t think so, do you have a cite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:colleges will start making announcements for class of 2026 soon to give current sophomores plenty of time to prep.

Current juniors will be the last class to have real test optional options.

Brown and Dartmouth are implementing them for class of 2029 (currently juniors)...no options there. At least Yale offers flexibility on the types of tests accepted.

HS class of 2025 should be exempted from these requirements giving the timing of the announcements.

That's silly. Surely kids (and parents, and counselors) knew that schools were reviewing the policies and considering going back to test-required. Anyway, March-August before senior year is a fine and traditional time to take the exam. (Really, are there kids who never even take the exams because of TO policies? I assumed almost all took the exams and decided not to submit based on lower-than-hoped-for scores.)

Your kid has over 7 months to take the test even if class of 2025. Some even take October of senior year.

Come on--they obviously took it once and did bad. Or took a mock at their school and figured they would have to do too much 'work' and studying to raise some points.

We already know that. Virtually every kid in the DMV takes it at least once. Every HS in the DMV suggests this. My kid is a sophomore and their school already provided free mock ACT and mock SATs.

IF they kid didn't ---well---they already weeded themselves out.

This! Every parent here fighting for TO with pretend reasons really does have a kid who didn't do well in the tests. A good number of them are spending multiple hundreds an hour to get that score to go up to that magic 1350 number. Of course, they'd all like for the SATs to disappear

Agree with this. Very obvious. wealthy parents who don't have high scoring kids are the most pissed off about this.

Signed --

Former NMSF with immigrant parents who never did one thing to help me with "test prep" and whose score certainly helped get into a good college.

This is so ignorant and smarmy. All we know from this is that you are good at standardized tests and at gloating.

I don't disagree with the decision entirely, but, some kids just don't do well with this format. I taught SAT prep for years, and it doesn't measure intelligence. I do think it's a useful data point, but I wish Brown had followed Yale and included AP and IB as options in lieu of SAT or ACT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Penn announced TO for next cycle 2024-25

I don’t think so, do you have a cite?

They still haven’t announced their official policy for next year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Penn announced TO for next cycle 2024-25

Not surprised, they’re raking in the athletes.

But now those better athletes might unionize and Penn won't like that. Be careful what you wish for.