Maryland bill to exempt student punishment for threatening teachers and staff moves forward

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

DP. This is just silly and trollish. If you are a bored teenager, head over to Roblox. You’ll have more fun over there.

The PP is correct: The SRO program has been diluted thanks to the political pressure of a couple council members. (Against the wishes of all principals, too.)

And as a teacher, I can FIRSTHAND tell you that discipline is lax and nonexistent at some of our schools.

So take your silly “lies” nonsense somewhere else.

The SRO program was eliminated because it's been conclusively shown that it doesn't work and puts kids at greater risk. They sure didn't do a lot of good at either Parkland or Uvalde.

MCPS isn't a law enforcement agency. If you want order, call MCPD and file criminal charges otherwise stop complaining.

[Anonymous]

Where is the MCEA on this issue? Why aren't they preparing to march, protest and vote on a resolution regarding this bill but they're prioritizing voting on demanding a ceasefire in Gaza?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

DP. This is just silly and trollish. If you are a bored teenager, head over to Roblox. You’ll have more fun over there.

The PP is correct: The SRO program has been diluted thanks to the political pressure of a couple council members. (Against the wishes of all principals, too.)

And as a teacher, I can FIRSTHAND tell you that discipline is lax and nonexistent at some of our schools.

So take your silly “lies” nonsense somewhere else.

The SRO program was eliminated because it's been conclusively shown that it doesn't work and puts kids at greater risk. They sure didn't do a lot of good at either Parkland or Uvalde.

MCPS isn't a law enforcement agency. If you want order, call MCPD and file criminal charges otherwise stop complaining.

This actually isn't the case. I know you keep saying it's the case, and then talking about two mass shooting events as "proof" but beyond those two examples you've shown no proof.

No one is saying that we need SROs for mass shootings, but SROs can and should be in schools to deal with everyday violence and, hopefully, to identify escalating situations before they get to the point of violence.

If you have actual data showing a correlation between removing SROs and safer schools, please share. Note that the request is for data, not vibes.

[Anonymous]

Where’s the actual bill? Feels like fear mongering which has been happening a lot. I’m all for better discipline for students and I’m worried about increased crime in schools and communities, but I think there’s a middle ground.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where’s the actual bill? Feels like fear mongering which has been happening a lot. I’m all for better discipline for students and I’m worried about increased crime in schools and communities, but I think there’s a middle ground.

It was posted on page 2 of this thread: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2024RS/bills/hb/hb0615T.pdf

[Anonymous]

So there's a bill that states that kids can threaten teachers without consequences really?

Does this have any chance of passing?

It sounds insane. Even the most progressive voters like myself think this is dumb.

[Anonymous]

liberals gonna reap what liberals gonna sow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

DP. This is just silly and trollish. If you are a bored teenager, head over to Roblox. You’ll have more fun over there.

The PP is correct: The SRO program has been diluted thanks to the political pressure of a couple council members. (Against the wishes of all principals, too.)

And as a teacher, I can FIRSTHAND tell you that discipline is lax and nonexistent at some of our schools.

So take your silly “lies” nonsense somewhere else.

The SRO program was eliminated because it's been conclusively shown that it doesn't work and puts kids at greater risk. They sure didn't do a lot of good at either Parkland or Uvalde.

MCPS isn't a law enforcement agency. If you want order, call MCPD and file criminal charges otherwise stop complaining.

This actually isn't the case. I know you keep saying it's the case, and then talking about two mass shooting events as "proof" but beyond those two examples you've shown no proof.

No one is saying that we need SROs for mass shootings, but SROs can and should be in schools to deal with everyday violence and, hopefully, to identify escalating situations before they get to the point of violence.

If you have actual data showing a correlation between removing SROs and safer schools, please share. Note that the request is for data, not vibes.

The county didn’t use real data when they initially removed SROs, so nobody is going to produce any now. That decision was made based off a panel of 3 students to represent 160,000. Hardly good data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They want all the teachers to quit.

This.

My coworker was injured and all she can do is workman’s comp while the student faced zero consequences because “it was just a joke”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

DP. This is just silly and trollish. If you are a bored teenager, head over to Roblox. You’ll have more fun over there.

The PP is correct: The SRO program has been diluted thanks to the political pressure of a couple council members. (Against the wishes of all principals, too.)

And as a teacher, I can FIRSTHAND tell you that discipline is lax and nonexistent at some of our schools.

So take your silly “lies” nonsense somewhere else.

The SRO program was eliminated because it's been conclusively shown that it doesn't work and puts kids at greater risk. They sure didn't do a lot of good at either Parkland or Uvalde.

MCPS isn't a law enforcement agency. If you want order, call MCPD and file criminal charges otherwise stop complaining.

This actually isn't the case. I know you keep saying it's the case, and then talking about two mass shooting events as "proof" but beyond those two examples you've shown no proof.

No one is saying that we need SROs for mass shootings, but SROs can and should be in schools to deal with everyday violence and, hopefully, to identify escalating situations before they get to the point of violence.

If you have actual data showing a correlation between removing SROs and safer schools, please share. Note that the request is for data, not vibes.

The county didn’t use real data when they initially removed SROs, so nobody is going to produce any now. That decision was made based off a panel of 3 students to represent 160,000. Hardly good data.

The real data I've conclusively shows that SROs make schools less safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So there's a bill that states that kids can threaten teachers without consequences really?

Does this have any chance of passing?

It sounds insane. Even the most progressive voters like myself think this is dumb.

If it does, even more quality teachers will leave. Insane is the right word.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

DP. This is just silly and trollish. If you are a bored teenager, head over to Roblox. You’ll have more fun over there.

The PP is correct: The SRO program has been diluted thanks to the political pressure of a couple council members. (Against the wishes of all principals, too.)

And as a teacher, I can FIRSTHAND tell you that discipline is lax and nonexistent at some of our schools.

So take your silly “lies” nonsense somewhere else.

The SRO program was eliminated because it's been conclusively shown that it doesn't work and puts kids at greater risk. They sure didn't do a lot of good at either Parkland or Uvalde.

MCPS isn't a law enforcement agency. If you want order, call MCPD and file criminal charges otherwise stop complaining.

This actually isn't the case. I know you keep saying it's the case, and then talking about two mass shooting events as "proof" but beyond those two examples you've shown no proof.

No one is saying that we need SROs for mass shootings, but SROs can and should be in schools to deal with everyday violence and, hopefully, to identify escalating situations before they get to the point of violence.

If you have actual data showing a correlation between removing SROs and safer schools, please share. Note that the request is for data, not vibes.

If you have data for SRO correlating with safer schools, feel free to share that, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

DP. This is just silly and trollish. If you are a bored teenager, head over to Roblox. You’ll have more fun over there.

The PP is correct: The SRO program has been diluted thanks to the political pressure of a couple council members. (Against the wishes of all principals, too.)

And as a teacher, I can FIRSTHAND tell you that discipline is lax and nonexistent at some of our schools.

So take your silly “lies” nonsense somewhere else.

The SRO program was eliminated because it's been conclusively shown that it doesn't work and puts kids at greater risk. They sure didn't do a lot of good at either Parkland or Uvalde.

MCPS isn't a law enforcement agency. If you want order, call MCPD and file criminal charges otherwise stop complaining.

This actually isn't the case. I know you keep saying it's the case, and then talking about two mass shooting events as "proof" but beyond those two examples you've shown no proof.

No one is saying that we need SROs for mass shootings, but SROs can and should be in schools to deal with everyday violence and, hopefully, to identify escalating situations before they get to the point of violence.

If you have actual data showing a correlation between removing SROs and safer schools, please share. Note that the request is for data, not vibes.

The county didn’t use real data when they initially removed SROs, so nobody is going to produce any now. That decision was made based off a panel of 3 students to represent 160,000. Hardly good data.

The real data I've conclusively shows that SROs make schools less safe.

Links or you are making it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where’s the actual bill? Feels like fear mongering which has been happening a lot. I’m all for better discipline for students and I’m worried about increased crime in schools and communities, but I think there’s a middle ground.

It was posted on page 2 of this thread: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2024RS/bills/hb/hb0615T.pdf

Good to know the bills sponsors, which includes one of my reps. I will be voting against her next go around.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for posting this! I just contacted my reps and asked them to vote NO. This is not going to help keep our schools safe and will only open us up to future lawsuits…..