Maryland bill to exempt student punishment for threatening teachers and staff moves forward

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

Do you actually work in a school? I already know the answer.....

Yes, with emotionally disabled kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

AMEN!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

No, SRO's were given backup and offices. They were removed from disciplining children because that is not their job, they are only involved in crimes. You ask any SRO who is trying to build relationships with teens if they are glad to not be involved in discipline each and everyone will tell you it's an improvement.

I not only work in schools, but my H is a cop.

Our experience is W schools won't even let cops in the school so their statistics look better and they are more likely to get parents to agree to therapy instead of discipline.

yes, variability is an issue, but a W school kid has drugs, they call the parents and the parents get a therapist involved quickly... looks good in the courts too.

We need to stop moving kids around schools, if they can't go to their home school, move them to an alternative school or homeschool.

Sheinbein who is a perfect example, went to W school, was a huge problem, moved to a downcounty school.

We need to stop wringing hands over a kid that is rude and focus on kids who are dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

No, SRO's were given backup and offices. They were removed from disciplining children because that is not their job, they are only involved in crimes. You ask any SRO who is trying to build relationships with teens if they are glad to not be involved in discipline each and everyone will tell you it's an improvement.

I not only work in schools, but my H is a cop.

Our experience is W schools won't even let cops in the school so their statistics look better and they are more likely to get parents to agree to therapy instead of discipline.

yes, variability is an issue, but a W school kid has drugs, they call the parents and the parents get a therapist involved quickly... looks good in the courts too.

We need to stop moving kids around schools, if they can't go to their home school, move them to an alternative school or homeschool.

Sheinbein who is a perfect example, went to W school, was a huge problem, moved to a downcounty school.

We need to stop wringing hands over a kid that is rude and focus on kids who are dangerous.

At Kennedy, when a kid gets busted with drugs, one of two things happens:

1) The parent, who might be single and not an English speaker, is desperate to get their kid help. They are then shuffled into a byzantine referral system that fails to communicate and coordinate and often times, their kid never gets the help they need, or the help starts but then dissolves for whatever bureaucratic reason. Everyone involved points the finger at everyone else.

2) The parent, who actively enables their kids' behavior or fears their kid facing the justice system, works actively to help their kid evade serious consequences. The fear of police intervention can be somewhat understandable, but parents are wrong if they think substance abuse and distribution is something they can handle on their own with their children. Most parents are not equipped to do that kind of rehabilitative work because they're too enmeshed with their kids to separate fact from fiction.

[Anonymous]

This week's news about a Texas version of the law that is being amended in the OP:

Citizen arrested for "disrupting" a county meeting by using a swear word to refer to the murder of his child and the police who abbetted.

https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/cross-arrested-after-outburst-during-county-meeting/

We don't need to enable heavy handed police state to control people who are being "disruptive".

[Anonymous]

We need to elevate the debate beyond squabbling over which kids deserve to be screwed over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why anyone would support exempting kids who threaten the lives of others, especially authority figures who are on the front lines, from punishments. What is the rationale? Are we encouraging school shooters now?

Has your child ever threatened you or another child? Ever?

I'm sure you'll say "no, my golden child never does anything like that". But think about all your friends who aren't as good parents as you and their kids, who go on fortnite and yell threats at each other, or throw controllers at TV screens

the law actually is in line with all laws in the united states. there is a difference between a threat and a credible theat.

You can't just arrest someone for saying a threat unless they can carry it out.

The old law is not in line with that. That's what the new law is (hamfistedly) changing. The new law doesn't make anything legal that way already illegal outside school. It simply removes extra prohibitions on behavior of students in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why anyone would support exempting kids who threaten the lives of others, especially authority figures who are on the front lines, from punishments. What is the rationale? Are we encouraging school shooters now?

Has your child ever threatened you or another child? Ever?

I'm sure you'll say "no, my golden child never does anything like that". But think about all your friends who aren't as good parents as you and their kids, who go on fortnite and yell threats at each other, or throw controllers at TV screens

the law actually is in line with all laws in the united states. there is a difference between a threat and a credible theat.

You can't just arrest someone for saying a threat unless they can carry it out.

The old law is not in line with that. That's what the new law is (hamfistedly) changing. The new law doesn't make anything legal that way already illegal outside school. It simply removes extra prohibitions on behavior of students in schools.

Let's assume this framing that it's outdated law that is redundant and antiquated: How often is it used to arrest children and is the prevalence of use enough to prioritize it over the serious student behavior, safety and security issues that are terrorizing students, teachers and parents?

Even if we believe the law needed to be updated, the optics of politics doing so in the midst of a safety and security crisis specifically AROUND student behavior is baffling. It's the wrong time and it's a really bad look. You would think professional politicians would grasp that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This week's news about a Texas version of the law that is being amended in the OP:

Citizen arrested for "disrupting" a county meeting by using a swear word to refer to the murder of his child and the police who abbetted.

https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/cross-arrested-after-outburst-during-county-meeting/

We don't need to enable heavy handed police state to control people who are being "disruptive".

The far-right posters paid to promote these things like SROs here sure do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our culture is circling the drain.

Only Donald Trump and the Christian right can save us!

It's certainly not going to be Biden and the Democrats. Looks like they are the ones who got us into this situation in the first place, with their complete disregard for law and order. We need balance.

Sure. Let’s balance it out by supporting a crotch-grabbing, tax-dodging, disease-spreading, democracy-hating liar who wouldn’t know truth or morality if it hit him in the face. A wanna be dictator will be great for teaching proper behavior.

That’s a much better option than a compassionate, intelligent and experienced leader who is trying to dig us out of a hole left by his immoral predecessor.

Balance would be common sense consequences for bad behavior that are tailored to the offense. I don’t think punishments will work on the most troubled kids but a free pass is not appropriate either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our culture is circling the drain.

Only Donald Trump and the Christian right can save us!

It's certainly not going to be Biden and the Democrats. Looks like they are the ones who got us into this situation in the first place, with their complete disregard for law and order. We need balance.

Sure. Let’s balance it out by supporting a crotch-grabbing, tax-dodging, disease-spreading, democracy-hating liar who wouldn’t know truth or morality if it hit him in the face. A wanna be dictator will be great for teaching proper behavior.

That’s a much better option than a compassionate, intelligent and experienced leader who is trying to dig us out of a hole left by his immoral predecessor.

Balance would be common sense consequences for bad behavior that are tailored to the offense. I don’t think punishments will work on the most troubled kids but a free pass is not appropriate either.

Troubled kids need special schools to deal with the drug, mental health and other issues they have. Its not just about punishment but support and treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This week's news about a Texas version of the law that is being amended in the OP:

Citizen arrested for "disrupting" a county meeting by using a swear word to refer to the murder of his child and the police who abbetted.

https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/cross-arrested-after-outburst-during-county-meeting/

We don't need to enable heavy handed police state to control people who are being "disruptive".

If places like Texas, Alabama, or Florida do this, we should follow suit!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

DP. This is just silly and trollish. If you are a bored teenager, head over to Roblox. You’ll have more fun over there.

The PP is correct: The SRO program has been diluted thanks to the political pressure of a couple council members. (Against the wishes of all principals, too.)

And as a teacher, I can FIRSTHAND tell you that discipline is lax and nonexistent at some of our schools.

So take your silly “lies” nonsense somewhere else.