Is 7 "too old" for first grade?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a child with a similar birthday. It's a challenging birthday because no matter what you do, they will be on the edge of the age curve. So there's no right answer, but that also means there's no wrong answer.

My child started 1st at just turned 6 and it's been fine. However, if the school had recommended starting 1st at 7, I would have been totally fine with that. In some ways it's better to have the school tell you what they think will work best because then you don't have to guess and you can be more confident that they will provide your child with the support he needs, whether he's among the youngest or among the oldest.

No, it is not best for that school to make that decision. Are you crazy and a lazy parent?

Ah, I recognize you.

Yes, it is best for the school to make that decision because they will have a far better idea of what the age range of other kids in the grade will be, as well as what will be expected of children in the grade and what skills the kids will be expected to have coming in. Especially in a private school, they are best able to make a recommendation. A parent might know their own child well, but especially coming to a school for the very first time after traveling, can't really have any idea of what the classroom environment will be like or what the other kids are like.

School is not an individualized experience. It's a group experience. It works best when kids are ready for what they will be asked to do and when they will fall within the expected range of abilities and behaviors. If you want a fully individualized education, homeschool or hire tutors. If you want school, you will need to defer to their judgment on some of these things, and your judgment comes into play in choosing the school.

Thank you for confirming your lazy parenting.
I bet you would medicate OPs child too if it made your life easier.

Stay mad. It is working out so well for you.

Stay lazy. It is working out so well for you since you are only concerned about yourself.

You get that you're arguing with yourself here, right?

Then who are you arguing with?

No one, I'm not arguing. I noted in my original comment that as a parent of a child who has the same birthday (late August) that there are pluses and minuses both to sending "on time" and redshirting. We sent on time and it's been fine, we could have redshirted and that would have been fine. My recommendation is to listen to the school's recommendation because give that it can really go either way, I'd heavily weight what the school thinks you should do because it's a strong indication of what they will be best able and willing to support. Meaning that if they recommend redshirting, this is likely because they often recommend redshirting in similar circumstances and will have experience making sure kids in that position are well supported. And I might worry that going against the recommendation would result in my child being the youngest kid in a classroom with many redshirted summer birthdays, which would exacerbate any delays he might have due to homeschooling and moving around. I stand by this recommendation and no one has actually said anything in response to counter it.

The PP (who is probably you, just sockpuppeting manically) was triggered by some aspect of this, called me crazy and lazy and then accused me of wanting to forcibly medicate OP's child. This is, in a word, insane.

If you want to provide OP with some advice based on your experience or views on redshirting, I would encourage you to do so. Calling me names and accusing me of a bunch of stuff is unproductive. Yes, you are arguing with yourself.

Thank you for the dissertation that no one will read.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I appreciate everyone's comments (except that one flex person 😆).

I honestly didn't even know there was a term for this. I think I'm fine with starting 1st grade at 7 and ultimately graduating at 18.

I was weird, I am nearly a mid-Sept baby and graduated HS and started college at 17.

Sorry OP. As someone who is familiar with education, I would not recommend holding back.

Familiar with education? Like you once read a book?!

Is that what you got out of PPs comment? That someone in education has read a book? Are you that dense?

Are you a moron? Who takes advice from someone "familiar" with education? WTF does that even mean? You were a secretary? You went to school yourself? You have kids in school? All of us here are "familiar with education" that doesn't make one opinion carry more weight than another. If you are impressed by that PPs self proclaimed expertise, I feel sorry for you.

I am not the pp you are commenting to but I would not take your advice. You are only hurting your stance with your outburst and an emotional hothead.

I'm not giving any advice. Just laughing at the people who call themselves "educators" thinking their opinion carries any weight. OP should listen to the "educators" who have actually met her child vs the crazy anti-redshirters here who give the same crazy advice on all of these threads that are not based in reality.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I appreciate everyone's comments (except that one flex person 😆).

I honestly didn't even know there was a term for this. I think I'm fine with starting 1st grade at 7 and ultimately graduating at 18.

I was weird, I am nearly a mid-Sept baby and graduated HS and started college at 17.

Sorry OP. As someone who is familiar with education, I would not recommend holding back.

Familiar with education? Like you once read a book?!

Is that what you got out of PPs comment? That someone in education has read a book? Are you that dense?

Are you a moron? Who takes advice from someone "familiar" with education? WTF does that even mean? You were a secretary? You went to school yourself? You have kids in school? All of us here are "familiar with education" that doesn't make one opinion carry more weight than another. If you are impressed by that PPs self proclaimed expertise, I feel sorry for you.

And you need to ask your own question. Who would take advice from you? Someone who calls anonymous people morons for having a different opinion. Wow!

Sorry I haven't given any advice in this dumpster fire of a thread. OP should be warned that she came to the wrong place for advice on this.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I appreciate everyone's comments (except that one flex person 😆).

I honestly didn't even know there was a term for this. I think I'm fine with starting 1st grade at 7 and ultimately graduating at 18.

I was weird, I am nearly a mid-Sept baby and graduated HS and started college at 17.

Sorry OP. As someone who is familiar with education, I would not recommend holding back.

Familiar with education? Like you once read a book?!

Yes, I have read a book. We all have read a book. I am an educator.

And? Still not impressed. All educators don't recommend never holding back. You're being cagey about your so called expertise. Maybe you're a dog trainer?

I don’t care to impress you. This isn’t about you. No one said all educators don’t recommend never holding back. You are way too invested and reaching for out don’t know what with your made up “gotchas.”

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I appreciate everyone's comments (except that one flex person 😆).

I honestly didn't even know there was a term for this. I think I'm fine with starting 1st grade at 7 and ultimately graduating at 18.

I was weird, I am nearly a mid-Sept baby and graduated HS and started college at 17.

Sorry OP. As someone who is familiar with education, I would not recommend holding back.

As someone with 2 children who started public school ON TIME and both turned/will turn 18 senior year, I would suggest OP do what is best for her family.

So why do you suggest that being in 2nd grade is not what’s best since her child is on grade level academically?

Who suggested what?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I appreciate everyone's comments (except that one flex person 😆).

I honestly didn't even know there was a term for this. I think I'm fine with starting 1st grade at 7 and ultimately graduating at 18.

I was weird, I am nearly a mid-Sept baby and graduated HS and started college at 17.

Sorry OP. As someone who is familiar with education, I would not recommend holding back.

Familiar with education? Like you once read a book?!

Is that what you got out of PPs comment? That someone in education has read a book? Are you that dense?

Are you a moron? Who takes advice from someone "familiar" with education? WTF does that even mean? You were a secretary? You went to school yourself? You have kids in school? All of us here are "familiar with education" that doesn't make one opinion carry more weight than another. If you are impressed by that PPs self proclaimed expertise, I feel sorry for you.

And you need to ask your own question. Who would take advice from you? Someone who calls anonymous people morons for having a different opinion. Wow!

Sorry I haven't given any advice in this dumpster fire of a thread. OP should be warned that she came to the wrong place for advice on this.

OP here - Yikes, I really didn't think this would go so horribly.. but .. then again.. it's the Internet 🥴

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - I can see the request because my child has never been in a formal environment with other kids, like preschool or daycare and things have been more lax at home.

I think the school's biggest reason is to get my child to understand structure and routine.

I of course want to set my child up for success and don't want them to be struggling if they were to be in 2nd grade.

Understandable, the structure and routine will not be difficult and will be overcome in no time. It’s only second grade and not like upper grades where students need to concentrate more. There is still a lot of play in second grade and your child will fall in line to what the others are doing. Homeschool children typically are more mature and you mentioned you moved quite a bit so I would be willing to bet that your child is above level and can tolerate better than older kids.

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Put your child in the grade he is academically prepared for. If they cannot fit in socially, you can move them back. I promise though, you will not need to do that. Also, you have more than 6 months to prepare your child for that. Place your child in 2nd.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - I can see the request because my child has never been in a formal environment with other kids, like preschool or daycare and things have been more lax at home.

I think the school's biggest reason is to get my child to understand structure and routine.

I of course want to set my child up for success and don't want them to be struggling if they were to be in 2nd grade.

Understandable, the structure and routine will not be difficult and will be overcome in no time. It’s only second grade and not like upper grades where students need to concentrate more. There is still a lot of play in second grade and your child will fall in line to what the others are doing. Homeschool children typically are more mature and you mentioned you moved quite a bit so I would be willing to bet that your child is above level and can tolerate better than older kids.

My kiddo reads very well and is doing well in double digit math. Started reading chapter books recently. Language seems above a typical kid age - says words and uses descriptions that I know I didn't say at that age 😆

But yes, the biggest strike is not having formal structure because we are loosy goosy and don't have a routine. School said kiddo took longer to complete some tasks compared to others in class.

Granted, it was only one day, and the kids being compared are almost done with their first year.

Overall, though, I can improve on points made before the next school year if we are accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:Put your child in the grade he is academically prepared for. If they cannot fit in socially, you can move them back. I promise though, you will not need to do that. Also, you have more than 6 months to prepare your child for that. Place your child in 2nd.

Not if the school turns them down for 2nd.

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Anonymous wrote:Put your child in the grade he is academically prepared for. If they cannot fit in socially, you can move them back. I promise though, you will not need to do that. Also, you have more than 6 months to prepare your child for that. Place your child in 2nd.

Not if the school turns them down for 2nd.

OP here - yes, I distinctly got the impression that if we said no, we still want to be considered for 2nd, then we'd be getting a "thanks, but no thanks" letter very soon.

Because I said okay to 1st grade evaluation instead, I think we're still in the running then.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - I can see the request because my child has never been in a formal environment with other kids, like preschool or daycare and things have been more lax at home.

I think the school's biggest reason is to get my child to understand structure and routine.

I of course want to set my child up for success and don't want them to be struggling if they were to be in 2nd grade.

Understandable, the structure and routine will not be difficult and will be overcome in no time. It’s only second grade and not like upper grades where students need to concentrate more. There is still a lot of play in second grade and your child will fall in line to what the others are doing. Homeschool children typically are more mature and you mentioned you moved quite a bit so I would be willing to bet that your child is above level and can tolerate better than older kids.

My kiddo reads very well and is doing well in double digit math. Started reading chapter books recently. Language seems above a typical kid age - says words and uses descriptions that I know I didn't say at that age 😆

But yes, the biggest strike is not having formal structure because we are loosy goosy and don't have a routine. School said kiddo took longer to complete some tasks compared to others in class.

Granted, it was only one day, and the kids being compared are almost done with their first year.

Overall, though, I can improve on points made before the next school year if we are accepted.

Your kid will get it. That is so minor, he will figure it out and it will be quick. He just hasn’t had to do it, but he will when his peers are. Put him in second and I wish you luck on whatever choice you make.

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Anonymous wrote:Put your child in the grade he is academically prepared for. If they cannot fit in socially, you can move them back. I promise though, you will not need to do that. Also, you have more than 6 months to prepare your child for that. Place your child in 2nd.

Not if the school turns them down for 2nd.

OP here - yes, I distinctly got the impression that if we said no, we still want to be considered for 2nd, then we'd be getting a "thanks, but no thanks" letter very soon.

Because I said okay to 1st grade evaluation instead, I think we're still in the running then.

They will take him for 2nd, they just want you to agree to 1st without any pushback.

[Anonymous]

My older son has friends who turned 7 in July and August prior to 1st grade. My child turned 7 after the end of 1st grade.

Summer birthday kids are outliers no matter which way you go. Just do what is best for your kid. If his BD is truly “just before school” aka July / August / September, it should not be an issue.

Where people get all judgy is when kids turn 7 before the end of Kindergarten (March/April/May/sometimes June).

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Anonymous wrote:I have a child with a similar birthday. It's a challenging birthday because no matter what you do, they will be on the edge of the age curve. So there's no right answer, but that also means there's no wrong answer.

My child started 1st at just turned 6 and it's been fine. However, if the school had recommended starting 1st at 7, I would have been totally fine with that. In some ways it's better to have the school tell you what they think will work best because then you don't have to guess and you can be more confident that they will provide your child with the support he needs, whether he's among the youngest or among the oldest.

No, it is not best for that school to make that decision. Are you crazy and a lazy parent?

Ah, I recognize you.

Yes, it is best for the school to make that decision because they will have a far better idea of what the age range of other kids in the grade will be, as well as what will be expected of children in the grade and what skills the kids will be expected to have coming in. Especially in a private school, they are best able to make a recommendation. A parent might know their own child well, but especially coming to a school for the very first time after traveling, can't really have any idea of what the classroom environment will be like or what the other kids are like.

School is not an individualized experience. It's a group experience. It works best when kids are ready for what they will be asked to do and when they will fall within the expected range of abilities and behaviors. If you want a fully individualized education, homeschool or hire tutors. If you want school, you will need to defer to their judgment on some of these things, and your judgment comes into play in choosing the school.

Thank you for confirming your lazy parenting.
I bet you would medicate OPs child too if it made your life easier.

Stay mad. It is working out so well for you.

Stay lazy. It is working out so well for you since you are only concerned about yourself.

You get that you're arguing with yourself here, right?

Then who are you arguing with?

No one, I'm not arguing. I noted in my original comment that as a parent of a child who has the same birthday (late August) that there are pluses and minuses both to sending "on time" and redshirting. We sent on time and it's been fine, we could have redshirted and that would have been fine. My recommendation is to listen to the school's recommendation because give that it can really go either way, I'd heavily weight what the school thinks you should do because it's a strong indication of what they will be best able and willing to support. Meaning that if they recommend redshirting, this is likely because they often recommend redshirting in similar circumstances and will have experience making sure kids in that position are well supported. And I might worry that going against the recommendation would result in my child being the youngest kid in a classroom with many redshirted summer birthdays, which would exacerbate any delays he might have due to homeschooling and moving around. I stand by this recommendation and no one has actually said anything in response to counter it.

The PP (who is probably you, just sockpuppeting manically) was triggered by some aspect of this, called me crazy and lazy and then accused me of wanting to forcibly medicate OP's child. This is, in a word, insane.

If you want to provide OP with some advice based on your experience or views on redshirting, I would encourage you to do so. Calling me names and accusing me of a bunch of stuff is unproductive. Yes, you are arguing with yourself.

Thank you for the dissertation that no one will read.

I would not take advice on education from someone who calls three paragraphs a "dissertation."