Designer and mark up norms

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Anonymous wrote:Technology has changed the game, designer.
Just like with realtors, it’s upending your industry.

Anyone worth their salt can subscribe to AD and similar, go on Instagram, go to trade shows. No one should pay you above retail for a good that you received a trade discount for - that is just stupid.

You're talking about decorating, and I agree.

AD and Insta is not design.

It is when most “designers” in DC which DOES NOT license don’t even know that much and then upcharge. You can see a beautiful design you like and it will tell you the source. That knowledge used to be why people hired designers. Now designers need to work harder and pass on their discounts to stay in the game.

What do you mean DC does not license?

DC has the strictest licensure laws in the nation for interior designers because it has a title act and a practice act.
DC requires that designers AND decorators have their NCIDQ and register with DC. Do they always enforce? No. But you are really misinformed.

Licensure is through NCIDQ certification - you pass the exams and then you register with your jurisdiction(s).

See here: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/47/chapters/28/subchapters/I-B/parts/G

And here: https://www.cidq.org/regulated-jurisdictions

WaPo

“Opponents say licensing is little more than government-sponsored window dressing for interior decorators to elevate their status to help them compete with architects, who can hang out their shingles only after completing five or six years of formal training, a three-year apprenticeship and a four-day examination.
The D.C. designer law sets a qualifying examination -- but no educational requirements -- for anyone doing business as an "interior designer." People who call themselves "interior decorators" aren't covered, though that phrase is out of favor with designers who deride it as applying only to "housewives in floppy hats."”

This is riddled with inaccuracies. You should go read the NCIDQ website if you care so much. The exam is a series of three exams with low pass rates. A four year degree is required to sit for them. And you are citing arguments by opponents - that's not fact...that's a journalist re-telling someone's story, which aims to deregulate a profession, which has aims geared away from consumer protection.

Are you a design professional? Or just a couch-surfer trying to play expert?

Because it’s from 1986 just to point out how little has changed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that people are being up charged for Delta and similar HGTV type stuff. They should not be.

Telling people to take meds never won an argument.

Again, I don't think you know how this works.

A designer or contractor buying a Delta (or Toto or whatever) toilet is getting a wholesale or trade discount, then they are upcharging to get the price closer to, or often under, retail. You are almost always paying LESS for these things through a designer than through retail, or at least you're breaking even.

But I would also say that a designer is most appropriate when purchasing things that are not available to the general public.

That’s not the case here. The “designers” take people to Ferguson and then upcharge. The same product is available on build.com which is Ferguson for even less, and even less on Amazon.

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Anonymous wrote:Technology has changed the game, designer.
Just like with realtors, it’s upending your industry.

Anyone worth their salt can subscribe to AD and similar, go on Instagram, go to trade shows. No one should pay you above retail for a good that you received a trade discount for - that is just stupid.

You're talking about decorating, and I agree.

AD and Insta is not design.

It is when most “designers” in DC which DOES NOT license don’t even know that much and then upcharge. You can see a beautiful design you like and it will tell you the source. That knowledge used to be why people hired designers. Now designers need to work harder and pass on their discounts to stay in the game.

What do you mean DC does not license?

DC has the strictest licensure laws in the nation for interior designers because it has a title act and a practice act.
DC requires that designers AND decorators have their NCIDQ and register with DC. Do they always enforce? No. But you are really misinformed.

Licensure is through NCIDQ certification - you pass the exams and then you register with your jurisdiction(s).

See here: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/47/chapters/28/subchapters/I-B/parts/G

And here: https://www.cidq.org/regulated-jurisdictions

WaPo

“Opponents say licensing is little more than government-sponsored window dressing for interior decorators to elevate their status to help them compete with architects, who can hang out their shingles only after completing five or six years of formal training, a three-year apprenticeship and a four-day examination.
The D.C. designer law sets a qualifying examination -- but no educational requirements -- for anyone doing business as an "interior designer." People who call themselves "interior decorators" aren't covered, though that phrase is out of favor with designers who deride it as applying only to "housewives in floppy hats."”

You realize interior design regulation is geared mostly toward commercial design right?

Do you really want interior design deregulated when it comes to the schools your children attend?
The retirement homes your parents live in?
The the movie theaters your kids visit?
The hotel you stay in when you travel?

Huge huge implications here for health, safety, and welfare when it comes to interior partitioning, fire and life safety, materials safety, fall prevention, and so many other things.

I don’t. I want it properly regulated for the consumers too.

Yeah...that's not how it works. Consumers occupy all kinds of spaces, and if you are hiring someone to design a space that people occupy, that person should be trained and licensed. Home owners and renters do not have to hire and pay those people, so easy solution there: don't.

[Anonymous]

DC realistically has work for fewer than a dozen proper designers

Yet there is an army of botoxed housewives who upcharge but can’t tell you what a Pythagorean theorem is without which they literally can’t do their designing

How many pay for and use AutoCAD? Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC realistically has work for fewer than a dozen proper designers

Yet there is an army of botoxed housewives who upcharge but can’t tell you what a Pythagorean theorem is without which they literally can’t do their designing

How many pay for and use AutoCAD? Give me a break.

AutoCAD is outdated software, but yes, I agree.

[Anonymous]

Of course it is, but it’s de minimus. These “designers” use a free version of Chief Architect. Are you kidding me?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course it is, but it’s de minimus. These “designers” use a free version of Chief Architect. Are you kidding me?!

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[Anonymous]

Clients don’t like paying an upcharge for something they can walk in an buy.

The old school was a design fee plus mark up on to the trade price.

With the access to information, technology and the ability to work with the manufacturers, most high end designers charge a design fee and/or a combination of a % of goods or overall budget but pass on the to the trade discount vs. nickel and diming their customers. That’s very low class.

It comes out similar but the incentives, the trust, the feeling is very different. And the customer is a little better off.

[Anonymous]

There are a few to the trade only places, but I have found that they aren’t that great. It’s much more exciting to custom make, buy mutant lights in Italy, bookcases at Sotheby’s etc - they have a consignment shop even.

I would sooner be flogged myself than put an exclusive 😂 Kelly Wearstler some of these to the trade flog in my house. Let alone at an upcharge

[Anonymous]

Murano but mutant is intriguing 😂

[Anonymous]

Also, the above is for the actual designers. Not randos with an associates degree in bathroom design

[Anonymous]

Not even sure what to do with those

[Anonymous]

I looked up the local programs for

Kitchen and Bath Designer


which is accredited by the National Kitchen and Bath Association.

What credibility! Now that I know this, please upcharge me 40-50% to retail and then another 15% and a storage and delivery and ordering fee on top the hourly fee. You obviously deserve it

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