Designer and mark up norms

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Technology has changed the game, designer.
Just like with realtors, it’s upending your industry.

Anyone worth their salt can subscribe to AD and similar, go on Instagram, go to trade shows. No one should pay you above retail for a good that you received a trade discount for - that is just stupid.

You're talking about decorating, and I agree.

AD and Insta is not design.

It is when most “designers” in DC which DOES NOT license don’t even know that much and then upcharge. You can see a beautiful design you like and it will tell you the source. That knowledge used to be why people hired designers. Now designers need to work harder and pass on their discounts to stay in the game.

What do you mean DC does not license?

DC has the strictest licensure laws in the nation for interior designers because it has a title act and a practice act.
DC requires that designers AND decorators have their NCIDQ and register with DC. Do they always enforce? No. But you are really misinformed.

Licensure is through NCIDQ certification - you pass the exams and then you register with your jurisdiction(s).

See here: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/47/chapters/28/subchapters/I-B/parts/G

And here: https://www.cidq.org/regulated-jurisdictions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You’re joking right?

New Ravenna is accent tile unless you’re building an adobe retreat in Santa Fe. Delta is China-made inferior product. Ditto Brizzo. Daltike has lead.

If the designer upcharges, and you can’t control the delivery dates, you can get Dornbracht, Hansgrohe, Duravit, Toto on Amazon delivered for free on demand.

I go straight to the manufacturers. Stick with Europeans because of the quality and strict regulatory standards. Designers here hate Porcelanosa because the product is excellent and the customer gets the same 40% discount during sale.

With all due respect, you are not the kind of client that would be a good fit working with a designer.

You must be joking. Why? Because I’m savvy and can assure you have higher end items in my house than your customers receive from you.

Why don’t you explain how Delta is better than Dornbracht?

Share a link to the design with all hand painted tile from VA?

Come on!

1.) I am not a practicing designer.

2.) Delta is not high end, you misread my post.

3.) New Ravenna isn't painted??

Girl, take your meds and calm down. I am sure your house is lovely.

[Anonymous]

New Ravenna has a lovely lead glaze.

[Anonymous]

Apologies, meant to say Daltile.

The point on New Ravenna is that unless it’s a loo or you’re building in Portugal, it’s too much.

[Anonymous]

The point is that people are being up charged for Delta and similar HGTV type stuff. They should not be.

Telling people to take meds never won an argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apologies, meant to say Daltile.

The point on New Ravenna is that unless it’s a loo or you’re building in Portugal, it’s too much.

I don't think you know what it is or aren't familiar with it. It isn't painted and I am not sure what lead has to do with it. Have you specified it? Seen it in person, even? Of course editorials are ridiculous and splashy, but it has very high end neutrals. And they are extremely high quality and extremely expensive. And no designer is going to sell it at cost to a client. Also, no designer is going to order tile from Amazon or online without viewing the lot or having a trusted rep view it for them, to ensure the veining and defects and colors and everything is as it should be (in general, and for the particular client).

https://newravenna.com/about/as-seen-in/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Technology has changed the game, designer.
Just like with realtors, it’s upending your industry.

Anyone worth their salt can subscribe to AD and similar, go on Instagram, go to trade shows. No one should pay you above retail for a good that you received a trade discount for - that is just stupid.

You're talking about decorating, and I agree.

AD and Insta is not design.

It is when most “designers” in DC which DOES NOT license don’t even know that much and then upcharge. You can see a beautiful design you like and it will tell you the source. That knowledge used to be why people hired designers. Now designers need to work harder and pass on their discounts to stay in the game.

What do you mean DC does not license?

DC has the strictest licensure laws in the nation for interior designers because it has a title act and a practice act.
DC requires that designers AND decorators have their NCIDQ and register with DC. Do they always enforce? No. But you are really misinformed.

Licensure is through NCIDQ certification - you pass the exams and then you register with your jurisdiction(s).

See here: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/47/chapters/28/subchapters/I-B/parts/G

And here: https://www.cidq.org/regulated-jurisdictions

WaPo

“Opponents say licensing is little more than government-sponsored window dressing for interior decorators to elevate their status to help them compete with architects, who can hang out their shingles only after completing five or six years of formal training, a three-year apprenticeship and a four-day examination.
The D.C. designer law sets a qualifying examination -- but no educational requirements -- for anyone doing business as an "interior designer." People who call themselves "interior decorators" aren't covered, though that phrase is out of favor with designers who deride it as applying only to "housewives in floppy hats."”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is that people are being up charged for Delta and similar HGTV type stuff. They should not be.

Telling people to take meds never won an argument.

Again, I don't think you know how this works.

A designer or contractor buying a Delta (or Toto or whatever) toilet is getting a wholesale or trade discount, then they are upcharging to get the price closer to, or often under, retail. You are almost always paying LESS for these things through a designer than through retail, or at least you're breaking even.

But I would also say that a designer is most appropriate when purchasing things that are not available to the general public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Technology has changed the game, designer.
Just like with realtors, it’s upending your industry.

Anyone worth their salt can subscribe to AD and similar, go on Instagram, go to trade shows. No one should pay you above retail for a good that you received a trade discount for - that is just stupid.

You're talking about decorating, and I agree.

AD and Insta is not design.

It is when most “designers” in DC which DOES NOT license don’t even know that much and then upcharge. You can see a beautiful design you like and it will tell you the source. That knowledge used to be why people hired designers. Now designers need to work harder and pass on their discounts to stay in the game.

What do you mean DC does not license?

DC has the strictest licensure laws in the nation for interior designers because it has a title act and a practice act.
DC requires that designers AND decorators have their NCIDQ and register with DC. Do they always enforce? No. But you are really misinformed.

Licensure is through NCIDQ certification - you pass the exams and then you register with your jurisdiction(s).

See here: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/47/chapters/28/subchapters/I-B/parts/G

And here: https://www.cidq.org/regulated-jurisdictions

WaPo

“Opponents say licensing is little more than government-sponsored window dressing for interior decorators to elevate their status to help them compete with architects, who can hang out their shingles only after completing five or six years of formal training, a three-year apprenticeship and a four-day examination.
The D.C. designer law sets a qualifying examination -- but no educational requirements -- for anyone doing business as an "interior designer." People who call themselves "interior decorators" aren't covered, though that phrase is out of favor with designers who deride it as applying only to "housewives in floppy hats."”

This is riddled with inaccuracies. You should go read the NCIDQ website if you care so much. The exam is a series of three exams with low pass rates. A four year degree is required to sit for them. And you are citing arguments by opponents - that's not fact...that's a journalist re-telling someone's story, which aims to deregulate a profession, which has aims geared away from consumer protection.

Are you a design professional? Or just a couch-surfer trying to play expert?

[Anonymous]

We've done our own design - why do you need a designer for a small bathroom? It's not hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apologies, meant to say Daltile.

The point on New Ravenna is that unless it’s a loo or you’re building in Portugal, it’s too much.

I don't think you know what it is or aren't familiar with it. It isn't painted and I am not sure what lead has to do with it. Have you specified it? Seen it in person, even? Of course editorials are ridiculous and splashy, but it has very high end neutrals. And they are extremely high quality and extremely expensive. And no designer is going to sell it at cost to a client. Also, no designer is going to order tile from Amazon or online without viewing the lot or having a trusted rep view it for them, to ensure the veining and defects and colors and everything is as it should be (in general, and for the particular client).

https://newravenna.com/about/as-seen-in/

You are being purposely obtuse.

The highest quality normal use tile (vs. accent like New Ravenna or Daltike which has lead in at least one glaze) can be purchased by a consumer directly. Top manufacturers do offer a discount, Porcelanosa famously twice a year at 40%. Designers don’t like them because they don’t get a better discount. Places like that will make sure your tile comes from the same lot, it’s not even a question. They also sell everything else from bathtubs to towel holders to mirrors. All at 40% off.

Amazon will sell you the top German faucets showers etc you could get up charged for at better price and on demand delivery.

For anything else, one can work directly with the manufacturer. If a designer does not pass on their trade discount, let alone up charges for good included in their designs, they are suspect and most intelligent people will not work with them.

There are many fee structures. The best one, the high designer use, is a flat fee for services plus sometimes % of goods BUT that typically high amount is offset by a trade discount being passed on to the consumer for those goods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We've done our own design - why do you need a designer for a small bathroom? It's not hard.

She already paid for the design. She did it smartly, by the hour and controlled the hours. They now want to take her by untold up charges and fees on the goods portion that’s not even inclusive of installation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Technology has changed the game, designer.
Just like with realtors, it’s upending your industry.

Anyone worth their salt can subscribe to AD and similar, go on Instagram, go to trade shows. No one should pay you above retail for a good that you received a trade discount for - that is just stupid.

You're talking about decorating, and I agree.

AD and Insta is not design.

It is when most “designers” in DC which DOES NOT license don’t even know that much and then upcharge. You can see a beautiful design you like and it will tell you the source. That knowledge used to be why people hired designers. Now designers need to work harder and pass on their discounts to stay in the game.

What do you mean DC does not license?

DC has the strictest licensure laws in the nation for interior designers because it has a title act and a practice act.
DC requires that designers AND decorators have their NCIDQ and register with DC. Do they always enforce? No. But you are really misinformed.

Licensure is through NCIDQ certification - you pass the exams and then you register with your jurisdiction(s).

See here: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/47/chapters/28/subchapters/I-B/parts/G

And here: https://www.cidq.org/regulated-jurisdictions

WaPo

“Opponents say licensing is little more than government-sponsored window dressing for interior decorators to elevate their status to help them compete with architects, who can hang out their shingles only after completing five or six years of formal training, a three-year apprenticeship and a four-day examination.
The D.C. designer law sets a qualifying examination -- but no educational requirements -- for anyone doing business as an "interior designer." People who call themselves "interior decorators" aren't covered, though that phrase is out of favor with designers who deride it as applying only to "housewives in floppy hats."”

You realize interior design regulation is geared mostly toward commercial design right?

Do you really want interior design deregulated when it comes to the schools your children attend?
The retirement homes your parents live in?
The the movie theaters your kids visit?
The hotel you stay in when you travel?

Huge huge implications here for health, safety, and welfare when it comes to interior partitioning, fire and life safety, materials safety, fall prevention, and so many other things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Technology has changed the game, designer.
Just like with realtors, it’s upending your industry.

Anyone worth their salt can subscribe to AD and similar, go on Instagram, go to trade shows. No one should pay you above retail for a good that you received a trade discount for - that is just stupid.

You're talking about decorating, and I agree.

AD and Insta is not design.

It is when most “designers” in DC which DOES NOT license don’t even know that much and then upcharge. You can see a beautiful design you like and it will tell you the source. That knowledge used to be why people hired designers. Now designers need to work harder and pass on their discounts to stay in the game.

What do you mean DC does not license?

DC has the strictest licensure laws in the nation for interior designers because it has a title act and a practice act.
DC requires that designers AND decorators have their NCIDQ and register with DC. Do they always enforce? No. But you are really misinformed.

Licensure is through NCIDQ certification - you pass the exams and then you register with your jurisdiction(s).

See here: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/47/chapters/28/subchapters/I-B/parts/G

And here: https://www.cidq.org/regulated-jurisdictions

WaPo

“Opponents say licensing is little more than government-sponsored window dressing for interior decorators to elevate their status to help them compete with architects, who can hang out their shingles only after completing five or six years of formal training, a three-year apprenticeship and a four-day examination.
The D.C. designer law sets a qualifying examination -- but no educational requirements -- for anyone doing business as an "interior designer." People who call themselves "interior decorators" aren't covered, though that phrase is out of favor with designers who deride it as applying only to "housewives in floppy hats."”

This is riddled with inaccuracies. You should go read the NCIDQ website if you care so much. The exam is a series of three exams with low pass rates. A four year degree is required to sit for them. And you are citing arguments by opponents - that's not fact...that's a journalist re-telling someone's story, which aims to deregulate a profession, which has aims geared away from consumer protection.

Are you a design professional? Or just a couch-surfer trying to play expert?

Because it’s from 1986 just to point out how little has changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Technology has changed the game, designer.
Just like with realtors, it’s upending your industry.

Anyone worth their salt can subscribe to AD and similar, go on Instagram, go to trade shows. No one should pay you above retail for a good that you received a trade discount for - that is just stupid.

You're talking about decorating, and I agree.

AD and Insta is not design.

It is when most “designers” in DC which DOES NOT license don’t even know that much and then upcharge. You can see a beautiful design you like and it will tell you the source. That knowledge used to be why people hired designers. Now designers need to work harder and pass on their discounts to stay in the game.

What do you mean DC does not license?

DC has the strictest licensure laws in the nation for interior designers because it has a title act and a practice act.
DC requires that designers AND decorators have their NCIDQ and register with DC. Do they always enforce? No. But you are really misinformed.

Licensure is through NCIDQ certification - you pass the exams and then you register with your jurisdiction(s).

See here: https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/47/chapters/28/subchapters/I-B/parts/G

And here: https://www.cidq.org/regulated-jurisdictions

WaPo

“Opponents say licensing is little more than government-sponsored window dressing for interior decorators to elevate their status to help them compete with architects, who can hang out their shingles only after completing five or six years of formal training, a three-year apprenticeship and a four-day examination.
The D.C. designer law sets a qualifying examination -- but no educational requirements -- for anyone doing business as an "interior designer." People who call themselves "interior decorators" aren't covered, though that phrase is out of favor with designers who deride it as applying only to "housewives in floppy hats."”

You realize interior design regulation is geared mostly toward commercial design right?

Do you really want interior design deregulated when it comes to the schools your children attend?
The retirement homes your parents live in?
The the movie theaters your kids visit?
The hotel you stay in when you travel?

Huge huge implications here for health, safety, and welfare when it comes to interior partitioning, fire and life safety, materials safety, fall prevention, and so many other things.

I don’t. I want it properly regulated for the consumers too.