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Anonymous wrote:I just looked on their website, and all in, Tufts is $88,300 (including a mandatory 1K health and wellness fee -wtf is that?!?).

Someone please tell me how this is (or any school) is worth almost 90K. What are you exactly getting that you can’t get elsewhere for 1/2 or 1/3 the price?


If people will pay it, then that's what it's worth. Education pricing in the US is driven by the market


I mean I get that, but I’m just curious as to what people who are willing to pay think they’re getting out of it, more so than a much cheaper school.


Boston is expensive. A much cheaper school probably pays the faculty less because of a lower cost of living.
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Well the assumption is that a high stats kid will be getting plenty of merit aid.


Again - name some names please. Tell me the names of the excellent public universities that will give my high stats DC kids enough merit aid to make the cost $30k. Because many of us have been at this search for years and still haven’t found such a thing.


Michigan State is ranked 60th. They give 15k merit scholarships plus 5k for Honors college. That brings tuition down to about 33k. They have an amazing alumni network and study abroad programs. It’s a great school.

Florida state is ranked 53rd. Their OOS tuition is 21K (not sure about room and board).

I can find more if you want.

Half of the 83k OP is complaining about is room and board. Florida is 45k with room and board. Michigan state is Michigan state, which is not comparable to Tufts. Michigan is comparable to Tufts and is 76k for the first two years and 80k for the last two years


Why is Michigan State not comparable to Tufts? Other than name recognition, no one can say why Tufts is so superior.


One is small private university in New England, the other is a large land grant university in Michigan. How are they comparable other than both awarding bachelors degrees?


We’re talking about quality of education. I mean if you want to pay 80K to be in Boston at a small school, then kudos to you. But others were asking for excellent state schools that are cheaper and I provided two examples.


So how are they comparable? What makes the quality of education at Michigan State comparable to Tufts?


That’s what I’m asking. People seem to think that Tufts is superior. I haven’t seen any quantifiable evidence that the education itself is that much better. Until I do, I don’t see a difference with most colleges. And I don’t see the point of paying so much for location or name brand. But that’s just me.


Michigan State has a student to faculty ration of 12:1. Tufts is 6:1.


How does that make the education superior?

It’s the same with public HS vs Private. The private ratios are better. Maybe some people prefer smaller classes. But that doesn’t automatically translate to a better education. It’s just learning preferences/styles.


If you really think a kid can learn just as well with 600 kids in a class as 30, then go for it


+1000

Large state schools are great schools, and you can begin to "find something similar to a private school with only 6K undergrads within the honors program" but the fact is, your kid will still be a number at a large state school. Much easier to do meaningful research your sophmore/junior year when you actually get to know your professors because there are only 30 students in your classes. It's a completely different learning experience and difficult to not find the smaller classroom a much better experience


If you are in-state VA, William & Mary is akin to a small private. Professors teach every class--no TAs teaching. Class Ratio average 12:1, no huge lecture hall courses.

I went to a large state school and had TAs teaching calc and critical writing my Freshmen year and my Intro Bio and Chemistry courses had 300 students in them. It's when I found out I needed glasses because I couldn't see the whiteboard from the nosebleed seats.

Virigians are lucky to have soooo many fantastic and niche public universities---something for everyone.
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Anonymous wrote:I just looked on their website, and all in, Tufts is $88,300 (including a mandatory 1K health and wellness fee -wtf is that?!?).

Someone please tell me how this is (or any school) is worth almost 90K. What are you exactly getting that you can’t get elsewhere for 1/2 or 1/3 the price?


If people will pay it, then that's what it's worth. Education pricing in the US is driven by the market


I mean I get that, but I’m just curious as to what people who are willing to pay think they’re getting out of it, more so than a much cheaper school.


Boston is expensive. A much cheaper school probably pays the faculty less because of a lower cost of living.


+1000

Look at most Boston private schools, and check out how much kids pay for off campus apartments. Many pay $1500-2K+, and the $1500 are often dumps, no laundry in apartment (so they pay $4.50 to wash and $4.50 to dry a load in the basement of the building---that's $9 to do a damn load of laundry). Oh and it's Boston so you pay a 1month rent "finding fee" to get the aparement as well, plus the 1 month deposit (which we all know you never see again when it's in a college area).
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Close to half the students are on financial aid. The rest are largely too rich to care much about the cost, which is the same as other privates.
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Florida state


LOL Florida State is not equivalent to Tufts


Can you articulate why? This is what I’m trying to get at and no one can give a concrete answer.


What school does your child go to? What does a Better school in your county or district have that yours doesn't? ......... same thing for colleges really.



An honest person, finally!
It’s a wealthy cohort. That’s what you’re paying for. Makes sense.

My kid it as Blair. With the poors. And doing great. I guess what’s why I don’t understand paying 80k. We’re ok with the economic diversity.


So stay on that path for college. Why do you care why a Sidwell parent would want to pay for private college? You're living in different worlds.



It’s pure curiosity. I am intrigued by the willingness to spend so much. We could if we had to, but this isn’t mandatory so we won’t.


Good for you. Other people who can decide to spend more


Of course they can. I’m just curious if they think their kid is getting a better education than someone at Florida State.


Yes they do, which is precisely why they do not care what you think, no matter how many times you post, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Florida state


LOL Florida State is not equivalent to Tufts


Can you articulate why? This is what I’m trying to get at and no one can give a concrete answer.


What school does your child go to? What does a Better school in your county or district have that yours doesn't? ......... same thing for colleges really.



An honest person, finally!
It’s a wealthy cohort. That’s what you’re paying for. Makes sense.

My kid it as Blair. With the poors. And doing great. I guess what’s why I don’t understand paying 80k. We’re ok with the economic diversity.


So stay on that path for college. Why do you care why a Sidwell parent would want to pay for private college? You're living in different worlds.



It’s pure curiosity. I am intrigued by the willingness to spend so much. We could if we had to, but this isn’t mandatory so we won’t.


Good for you. Other people who can decide to spend more


Of course they can. I’m just curious if they think their kid is getting a better education than someone at Florida State.


Yes they do, which is precisely why they do not care what you think, no matter how many times you post, OP.



Now you have a problem with how many times I post? You should tell Jeff.
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Well the assumption is that a high stats kid will be getting plenty of merit aid.


Again - name some names please. Tell me the names of the excellent public universities that will give my high stats DC kids enough merit aid to make the cost $30k. Because many of us have been at this search for years and still haven’t found such a thing.


Michigan State is ranked 60th. They give 15k merit scholarships plus 5k for Honors college. That brings tuition down to about 33k. They have an amazing alumni network and study abroad programs. It’s a great school.

Florida state is ranked 53rd. Their OOS tuition is 21K (not sure about room and board).

I can find more if you want.

Half of the 83k OP is complaining about is room and board. Florida is 45k with room and board. Michigan state is Michigan state, which is not comparable to Tufts. Michigan is comparable to Tufts and is 76k for the first two years and 80k for the last two years


Why is Michigan State not comparable to Tufts? Other than name recognition, no one can say why Tufts is so superior.


One is small private university in New England, the other is a large land grant university in Michigan. How are they comparable other than both awarding bachelors degrees?


We’re talking about quality of education. I mean if you want to pay 80K to be in Boston at a small school, then kudos to you. But others were asking for excellent state schools that are cheaper and I provided two examples.


So how are they comparable? What makes the quality of education at Michigan State comparable to Tufts?


That’s what I’m asking. People seem to think that Tufts is superior. I haven’t seen any quantifiable evidence that the education itself is that much better. Until I do, I don’t see a difference with most colleges. And I don’t see the point of paying so much for location or name brand. But that’s just me.


It’s about outcomes; earnings; name recognition; contact with professors; peer group.
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Well the assumption is that a high stats kid will be getting plenty of merit aid.


Again - name some names please. Tell me the names of the excellent public universities that will give my high stats DC kids enough merit aid to make the cost $30k. Because many of us have been at this search for years and still haven’t found such a thing.


Michigan State is ranked 60th. They give 15k merit scholarships plus 5k for Honors college. That brings tuition down to about 33k. They have an amazing alumni network and study abroad programs. It’s a great school.

Florida state is ranked 53rd. Their OOS tuition is 21K (not sure about room and board).

I can find more if you want.

Half of the 83k OP is complaining about is room and board. Florida is 45k with room and board. Michigan state is Michigan state, which is not comparable to Tufts. Michigan is comparable to Tufts and is 76k for the first two years and 80k for the last two years


Why is Michigan State not comparable to Tufts? Other than name recognition, no one can say why Tufts is so superior.


One is small private university in New England, the other is a large land grant university in Michigan. How are they comparable other than both awarding bachelors degrees?


We’re talking about quality of education. I mean if you want to pay 80K to be in Boston at a small school, then kudos to you. But others were asking for excellent state schools that are cheaper and I provided two examples.


So how are they comparable? What makes the quality of education at Michigan State comparable to Tufts?


That’s what I’m asking. People seem to think that Tufts is superior. I haven’t seen any quantifiable evidence that the education itself is that much better. Until I do, I don’t see a difference with most colleges. And I don’t see the point of paying so much for location or name brand. But that’s just me.


Michigan State has a student to faculty ration of 12:1. Tufts is 6:1.


How does that make the education superior?

It’s the same with public HS vs Private. The private ratios are better. Maybe some people prefer smaller classes. But that doesn’t automatically translate to a better education. It’s just learning preferences/styles.


Now you are just egging ppl on.
Your signature is all over these posts (and the GDS one)
Give it up.
You are annoying.
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Florida state


LOL Florida State is not equivalent to Tufts


Can you articulate why? This is what I’m trying to get at and no one can give a concrete answer.


What school does your child go to? What does a Better school in your county or district have that yours doesn't? ......... same thing for colleges really.



An honest person, finally!
It’s a wealthy cohort. That’s what you’re paying for. Makes sense.

My kid it as Blair. With the poors. And doing great. I guess what’s why I don’t understand paying 80k. We’re ok with the economic diversity.


So stay on that path for college. Why do you care why a Sidwell parent would want to pay for private college? You're living in different worlds.



It’s pure curiosity. I am intrigued by the willingness to spend so much. We could if we had to, but this isn’t mandatory so we won’t.


Good for you. Other people who can decide to spend more


Of course they can. I’m just curious if they think their kid is getting a better education than someone at Florida State.


Yes they do, which is precisely why they do not care what you think, no matter how many times you post, OP.



Now you have a problem with how many times I post? You should tell Jeff.


Thank you. There are several of us here. We will.

Are you the bored mom with 2 kids already in college who cones here every day to pick on people???
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Florida state


LOL Florida State is not equivalent to Tufts


Can you articulate why? This is what I’m trying to get at and no one can give a concrete answer.


What school does your child go to? What does a Better school in your county or district have that yours doesn't? ......... same thing for colleges really.



An honest person, finally!
It’s a wealthy cohort. That’s what you’re paying for. Makes sense.

My kid it as Blair. With the poors. And doing great. I guess what’s why I don’t understand paying 80k. We’re ok with the economic diversity.


So stay on that path for college. Why do you care why a Sidwell parent would want to pay for private college? You're living in different worlds.



It’s pure curiosity. I am intrigued by the willingness to spend so much. We could if we had to, but this isn’t mandatory so we won’t.


Good for you. Other people who can decide to spend more


Of course they can. I’m just curious if they think their kid is getting a better education than someone at Florida State.


Yes they do, which is precisely why they do not care what you think, no matter how many times you post, OP.



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I do think many private schools/smaller schools provide an overall better educational experience than the large state schools.
My kids have not had to fight to get into the courses they want/need. They do not sit in lecture halls with 200+ students (except for Chem and Bio 101/102 which are often 1 lecture of 200-300 students and much smaller labs and discussion sections but it's not 300+). My kids have not had 300+ in their Calc 1 courses, it's been 30-50. I'd argue that yes, Chem/Bio 101/102 can easily be taught with larger lectures, I know from experience you can still ask questions during lecture with only 200-250 students if you sit in the front---I did that 30 years ago. But I cannot imagine taking calculus 1&2 with 150+ students vs 30-40 and calling the 150+ a better experience. It simply isn't. Sure your kid can do it an survive, but the smaller classes will 99% of the time provide the better experience.
At our highly ranked large state school, kids fight to get the courses they need. They fight to get into their desired major. If you are not directly admitted to your major, then you fight to get in (and often do not). 99% of STEM majors are direct admit, so if you don't get into your major, there isn't a simple fallback that you would want. You can either try for direct admission to engineering or CS, but NOT both. Difficult to even take any CS courses beyond the basic programming unless you are in the major, so no minoring in it like so many kids want to do. Business and economics are also "impacted/direct admit". Even kids who are directly admitted often take 5 years simply to get into the classes they need.
Me personally, I don't call that "an amazing experience". We can afford it, so while all 3 of my kids got into the flagship state school and got "into their anticipated major area" they chose to attend smaller, private universities. 2 of them (ranked in the 50-100 range) and it actually cost the same as the flagship state U did. the 3rd is at a highly ranked private and we are paying the $80K+
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Florida state


LOL Florida State is not equivalent to Tufts


Can you articulate why? This is what I’m trying to get at and no one can give a concrete answer.


What school does your child go to? What does a Better school in your county or district have that yours doesn't? ......... same thing for colleges really.



An honest person, finally!
It’s a wealthy cohort. That’s what you’re paying for. Makes sense.

My kid it as Blair. With the poors. And doing great. I guess what’s why I don’t understand paying 80k. We’re ok with the economic diversity.


So stay on that path for college. Why do you care why a Sidwell parent would want to pay for private college? You're living in different worlds.



It’s pure curiosity. I am intrigued by the willingness to spend so much. We could if we had to, but this isn’t mandatory so we won’t.


Good for you. Other people who can decide to spend more


Of course they can. I’m just curious if they think their kid is getting a better education than someone at Florida State.


Yes they do, which is precisely why they do not care what you think, no matter how many times you post, OP.



Now you have a problem with how many times I post? You should tell Jeff.


Thank you. There are several of us here. We will.

Are you the bored mom with 2 kids already in college who cones here every day to pick on people???


Oooh maybe I’ll get banned for having an opinion! Lmk what he says
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Well the assumption is that a high stats kid will be getting plenty of merit aid.


Again - name some names please. Tell me the names of the excellent public universities that will give my high stats DC kids enough merit aid to make the cost $30k. Because many of us have been at this search for years and still haven’t found such a thing.


Michigan State is ranked 60th. They give 15k merit scholarships plus 5k for Honors college. That brings tuition down to about 33k. They have an amazing alumni network and study abroad programs. It’s a great school.

Florida state is ranked 53rd. Their OOS tuition is 21K (not sure about room and board).

I can find more if you want.

Half of the 83k OP is complaining about is room and board. Florida is 45k with room and board. Michigan state is Michigan state, which is not comparable to Tufts. Michigan is comparable to Tufts and is 76k for the first two years and 80k for the last two years


Why is Michigan State not comparable to Tufts? Other than name recognition, no one can say why Tufts is so superior.


One is small private university in New England, the other is a large land grant university in Michigan. How are they comparable other than both awarding bachelors degrees?


We’re talking about quality of education. I mean if you want to pay 80K to be in Boston at a small school, then kudos to you. But others were asking for excellent state schools that are cheaper and I provided two examples.


So how are they comparable? What makes the quality of education at Michigan State comparable to Tufts?


That’s what I’m asking. People seem to think that Tufts is superior. I haven’t seen any quantifiable evidence that the education itself is that much better. Until I do, I don’t see a difference with most colleges. And I don’t see the point of paying so much for location or name brand. But that’s just me.


Michigan State has a student to faculty ration of 12:1. Tufts is 6:1.


How does that make the education superior?

It’s the same with public HS vs Private. The private ratios are better. Maybe some people prefer smaller classes. But that doesn’t automatically translate to a better education. It’s just learning preferences/styles.


Now you are just egging ppl on.
Your signature is all over these posts (and the GDS one)
Give it up.
You are annoying.


Ok I’ll play! Tell me which posts you think are mine, and I’ll let you know if you’re right.
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Michigan State has a student to faculty ration of 12:1. Tufts is 6:1.

How does that make the education superior?

It’s the same with public HS vs Private. The private ratios are better. Maybe some people prefer smaller classes. But that doesn’t automatically translate to a better education. It’s just learning preferences/styles.

Smaller student to teacher ratios do correlate with better learning outcomes. There has been a lot of research on this. Smaller class sizes always lead to higher engagement and ideal range is less than 16 students. So any classes of less than 20 are great.

My nephew is at UCLA and the popular classes have several hundred students and some sit outside in a hallway listening to the lecture on speaker. The name brand of UCLA is amazing, but that's primarily due to the strength of the faculty's research and publishing: not their teaching quality or mentoring.
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Anonymous wrote:Does the OP realize that this is a DC site? What college comparable to Tufts can my DC resident children attend for $30k. Please, tell me so I can stop saving and go on a damn vacation.


But what do you mean by “comparable”? Any state school will give you an excellent education for much cheaper. What exactly are you getting for 2 or 3x the price?


Again, please find me an excellent state school that costs $30k OOS. Please!


Well the assumption is that a high stats kid will be getting plenty of merit aid.


Again - name some names please. Tell me the names of the excellent public universities that will give my high stats DC kids enough merit aid to make the cost $30k. Because many of us have been at this search for years and still haven’t found such a thing.


Michigan State is ranked 60th. They give 15k merit scholarships plus 5k for Honors college. That brings tuition down to about 33k. They have an amazing alumni network and study abroad programs. It’s a great school.

Florida state is ranked 53rd. Their OOS tuition is 21K (not sure about room and board).

I can find more if you want.

Half of the 83k OP is complaining about is room and board. Florida is 45k with room and board. Michigan state is Michigan state, which is not comparable to Tufts. Michigan is comparable to Tufts and is 76k for the first two years and 80k for the last two years


Why is Michigan State not comparable to Tufts? Other than name recognition, no one can say why Tufts is so superior.


One is small private university in New England, the other is a large land grant university in Michigan. How are they comparable other than both awarding bachelors degrees?


We’re talking about quality of education. I mean if you want to pay 80K to be in Boston at a small school, then kudos to you. But others were asking for excellent state schools that are cheaper and I provided two examples.


So how are they comparable? What makes the quality of education at Michigan State comparable to Tufts?


That’s what I’m asking. People seem to think that Tufts is superior. I haven’t seen any quantifiable evidence that the education itself is that much better. Until I do, I don’t see a difference with most colleges. And I don’t see the point of paying so much for location or name brand. But that’s just me.


Michigan State has a student to faculty ration of 12:1. Tufts is 6:1.


How does that make the education superior?

It’s the same with public HS vs Private. The private ratios are better. Maybe some people prefer smaller classes. But that doesn’t automatically translate to a better education. It’s just learning preferences/styles.


If you really think a kid can learn just as well with 600 kids in a class as 30, then go for it




+1000

Large state schools are great schools, and you can begin to "find something similar to a private school with only 6K undergrads within the honors program" but the fact is, your kid will still be a number at a large state school. Much easier to do meaningful research your sophmore/junior year when you actually get to know your professors because there are only 30 students in your classes. It's a completely different learning experience and difficult to not find the smaller classroom a much better experience


If you are in-state VA, William & Mary is akin to a small private. Professors teach every class--no TAs teaching. Class Ratio average 12:1, no huge lecture hall courses.

I went to a large state school and had TAs teaching calc and critical writing my Freshmen year and my Intro Bio and Chemistry courses had 300 students in them. It's when I found out I needed glasses because I couldn't see the whiteboard from the nosebleed seats.

Virigians are lucky to have soooo many fantastic and niche public universities---something for everyone.


No one should assume that they will get into william and mary. It's a great option, but you need other options
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Smaller student to teacher ratios do correlate with better learning outcomes. There has been a lot of research on this. Smaller class sizes always lead to higher engagement and ideal range is less than 16 students. So any classes of less than 20 are great.

My nephew is at UCLA and the popular classes have several hundred students and some sit outside in a hallway listening to the lecture on speaker. The name brand of UCLA is amazing, but that's primarily due to the strength of the faculty's research and publishing: not their teaching quality or mentoring.
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