I hate Trump, but I get why a huge part of middle America loves him

[Anonymous]

It’s not just Middle America that likes Trump and it isn’t just white people.I must admit illegal immigration is such a genius issue to make your signature ( even though we know he’s just BS’ing )because everyone resents it (white, black, Hispanics, Asians). Trump also speaks on a fifth grade reading level so everyone can understand him. He doesn’t sound like professorial or like he’s a political diplomat. He doesn’t mince his words and people like that.

Nobody despises illegal immigration more than legal immigrants who had to wait for the system and pay the hard way (immigration lawyer, green card, work permit, paying taxes, then waiting 5 years to take the citizenship exam).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.

If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.

I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.

So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?

DP Nope. All the sky is falling in his first term never came about either. The left has been crying wolf about Trump for a long long time now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.

If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.

I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.

So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?

PP, no, I don’t believe that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.

If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.

I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.

So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?

I am not the PP but I agree and plan to vote Trump. And no, I do not think Trump will seek revenge or threaten our democracy. That is not something I am worried about. I am very worried about immigration and crime and both of those are actually happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.

If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.

I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.

So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?

DP Nope. All the sky is falling in his first term never came about either. The left has been crying wolf about Trump for a long long time now.

All the crap they warned about Trump ends up happening under Biden. WW3 and world on fire. Hyperinflation and declining lifespans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump’s supporters are not competing with undocumented immigrants. His supporters are the people who employ undocumented immigrants.

This. I live in white flyover country. The immigrants aren’t taking our jobs. There are job openings everywhere with competitive pay and signing bonuses.

My husband has been laid off for two months and cannot find a job. He’s never had that problem before. He’s in the tech field and very talented but it seems the odds are stacked against him.

Tech over hired and was due for massive layoffs. Maybe we’re overpaid. Now that the bubble has busrt he’s going to need to readjust. The got needs people with his skills. They over don’t want to go into got because they want to make more money. He can serve his country and have a decent salary or keep chasing $$. But really, stop with the victimhood.

[Anonymous]

Many were overpaid!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.

If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.

I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.

So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?

PP, no, I don’t believe that.

He's literally working on revenge plans if he gets in office.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/05/trump-revenge-second-term/

Don't believe it? He has promised it on the campaign trail. Read the direct quotes.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/22/trump-revenge-game-plan-alarm

Don't believe that?
When Hannity asked him if it was true, he declined to respond. Read the direct quotes.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/politics/trump-2024-fox-town-hall/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not just Middle America that likes Trump and it isn’t just white people.I must admit illegal immigration is such a genius issue to make your signature ( even though we know he’s just BS’ing )because everyone resents it (white, black, Hispanics, Asians). Trump also speaks on a fifth grade reading level so everyone can understand him. He doesn’t sound like professorial or like he’s a political diplomat. He doesn’t mince his words and people like that.

Nobody despises illegal immigration more than legal immigrants who had to wait for the system and pay the hard way (immigration lawyer, green card, work permit, paying taxes, then waiting 5 years to take the citizenship exam).

The GOP in the House need to bring a bill that will make changes. Balls is in their court but that DO NOT WANT TO IMPROVE IMMIGRATION. It’s more powerful as a wedge issue. Now we’re got OP and Mrs. Patagonia vest complaining immigrants are taking their jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.

If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.

I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.

So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?

I am not the PP but I agree and plan to vote Trump. And no, I do not think Trump will seek revenge or threaten our democracy. That is not something I am worried about. I am very worried about immigration and crime and both of those are actually happening.

There is nothing rational or credible about this post. Trump is telling you that his Presidency is about revenge (and avoiding jail). He has not communicated any platform. He’s not going to solve immigration or crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.

If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.

I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.

So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?

I am not the PP but I agree and plan to vote Trump. And no, I do not think Trump will seek revenge or threaten our democracy. That is not something I am worried about. I am very worried about immigration and crime and both of those are actually happening.

Lol. He’s promised revenge and to destroy democracy, but never let facts trouble your pretty little head.

[Anonymous]

Objectively, as a Dem, I am anti Trump NOT because of all his policies but because of who he is. He's very unbalanced, totally without mores and a complete buffoon. Hearing what he says and not just past actions but current ones, he's just not rational and capable of running any organization.

However, I have to say that he can hire other people as long as they are competent to do all the work. POTUS doesn't do the work. He represents the US and he makes critical decisions impacting all of us. So because of this, I have fears.

I agree with PP that a lot of what he's able to actually do/change is moot. He did not kill us all in the first administration and he won't do it if re-elected. What I worry about is what he does to the morale of this country, our influence globally. I also am pro choice and a I'm not with him on immigration insofar as to be isolationist which essentially is his platform.

On the immigration front - it's less to do with competition for hires and more to do with the fact that a lot of immigrants will work their ass off doing stuff non immigrants won't. You see the restaurant dishwashers? You see the landscapers? You see the nannies? All immigrants. The business owners, the tech specialists - all immigrants. I hire people for a living and 95% of all the talent I can place for my clients have a last name that is Asian, Russian, Latino or African. The only jobs that really below to your non-immigrant are BD/sales and marketing to an extent, corp finance jobs.

As a country, US is made of immigrants. You cannot limit immigration - that's the gist of the US and its strength. Bezos, Musk - immigrant backgrounds. Google co-founders - immigrant backgrounds. You can approach immigration in a way that's legal but you can't just outlaw it altogether, that's totally unrealistic because the US econ functions with high paying and low paying jobs both. The immigrants are willing to work up in a way that a lot of non-immigrants will not.

So I don't like Trump and prob won't vote for him but I understand like OP, why he has his fans. I don't agree with his platform but politically speaking, he's just another candidate, he's not the devil. Personally, I think he is but I think a lot of people are willing to overlook this point if they buy into his political platform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Objectively, as a Dem, I am anti Trump NOT because of all his policies but because of who he is. He's very unbalanced, totally without mores and a complete buffoon. Hearing what he says and not just past actions but current ones, he's just not rational and capable of running any organization.

However, I […].

Truly, congratulations on missing the point and mistaking that for clarity. What a screed to say you don’t follow politics closely.

Also go read about Project 2025. And the GOP’s plans for national abortion and birth control bans.

[Anonymous]

They actually have not been screwed over by progressive policies. They just watch news that tells them this and never mentions everything in their lives that’s good because of democrats.

Small but clear example: years ago Obama gave them a tax cut. They didn’t know or care until it wasn’t renewed after the planned end date and THEN they and their news sources acted like/said Obama increased their taxes.

All that farm aid and college preferences for first gen/rural? They can thank the progressives for that too.

The money their states get from blue states? They can thank us “godless, liberal city slickers” for that too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

They need to quit whining and pull themselves up by the bootstraps.