Republican utopia - Texas!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP... what's happening in Texas and elsewhere is an atrocity. Heathcare needs should be determined by doctors and qualified medical professionals, NOT attorneys, judges and legislators.

Aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is not healthcare.

Spouting nonsense is not useful to this discussion. Not a single poster said that "aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is healthcare".

Yet no one is talking about solutions for women besides abortion, This woman didn’t want an abortion.

The only solution offered in this thread is abortion, even if a woman doesn’t want one.

The solution for all women is not doctors aborting every baby because of pregnancy complications. But that’s all you talk about.

There are other options for a woman with pregnancy complications and none of them are considered by people who think abortion is the answer to every woman’s pregnancy complications.

Nonsense. It is talked about for this case because the woman is now dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes abortion IS a solution. Nobody thinks it is the only one.

It does need to be a possibility that doctors can discuss with their pregnant patients when needed. This is not allowed in TX, so this woman likely didn’t get the info about her condition to be considered “fully informed”

What the patient chooses to do with the information provided by medical professionals is her decision. One hopes they have all information needed.

This woman told her mom to save her baby’s life before her own life, why can’t you accept she was informed?

The only solution offered on this thread is abortion.

No one is even considering this woman and her baby had a chance to live, which they definitely did.

Again: if this woman aborted her baby, the next woman with a high risk pregnancy would have gained no benefit.

The reality you think is correct is women continue to abort their high risk pregnancy /babies against their will.

That’s the solution you are advocating for.

[Anonymous]

Bed rest sounds like it might have helped, too. Hard to say.

A job that offered adequate paid leave and health insurance may have helped, also.

I’m not her doctor and don’t know if rest/proper medication were the solutions to keep her alive, though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP... what's happening in Texas and elsewhere is an atrocity. Heathcare needs should be determined by doctors and qualified medical professionals, NOT attorneys, judges and legislators.

Aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is not healthcare.

Spouting nonsense is not useful to this discussion. Not a single poster said that "aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is healthcare".

Yet no one is talking about solutions for women besides abortion, This woman didn’t want an abortion.

The only solution offered in this thread is abortion, even if a woman doesn’t want one.

The solution for all women is not doctors aborting every baby because of pregnancy complications. But that’s all you talk about.

There are other options for a woman with pregnancy complications and none of them are considered by people who think abortion is the answer to every woman’s pregnancy complications.

Nonsense. It is talked about for this case because the woman is now dead.

So the next woman with a high risk pregnancy is benefiting from this case how? Don’t women who have high risk pregnancies deserve to have their babies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP... what's happening in Texas and elsewhere is an atrocity. Heathcare needs should be determined by doctors and qualified medical professionals, NOT attorneys, judges and legislators.

Aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is not healthcare.

Spouting nonsense is not useful to this discussion. Not a single poster said that "aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is healthcare".

Yet no one is talking about solutions for women besides abortion, This woman didn’t want an abortion.

The only solution offered in this thread is abortion, even if a woman doesn’t want one.

The solution for all women is not doctors aborting every baby because of pregnancy complications. But that’s all you talk about.

There are other options for a woman with pregnancy complications and none of them are considered by people who think abortion is the answer to every woman’s pregnancy complications.

Dp- no one has said abortion is the only answer. You aren’t able to discuss this honestly and in good faith.
This woman’s doctors were unable to speak honestly and thoroughly about her condition.
So we will never know what her choice was. She wasn’t given all the information to make it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bed rest sounds like it might have helped, too. Hard to say.

A job that offered adequate paid leave and health insurance may have helped, also.

I’m not her doctor and don’t know if rest/proper medication were the solutions to keep her alive, though

Yes, because we aren’t doctors we don’t know if her taking doctor prescribed medications and her taking doctor prescribed bed rest would have helped her. Doctors often tell their pregnant patients to take medication that hurts them and rest when they should be working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP... what's happening in Texas and elsewhere is an atrocity. Heathcare needs should be determined by doctors and qualified medical professionals, NOT attorneys, judges and legislators.

Aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is not healthcare.

Spouting nonsense is not useful to this discussion. Not a single poster said that "aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is healthcare".

Yet no one is talking about solutions for women besides abortion, This woman didn’t want an abortion.

The only solution offered in this thread is abortion, even if a woman doesn’t want one.

The solution for all women is not doctors aborting every baby because of pregnancy complications. But that’s all you talk about.

There are other options for a woman with pregnancy complications and none of them are considered by people who think abortion is the answer to every woman’s pregnancy complications.

Nonsense. It is talked about for this case because the woman is now dead.

So the next woman with a high risk pregnancy is benefiting from this case how? Don’t women who have high risk pregnancies deserve to have their babies?

Abortion bans do nothing to help this woman or the next woman with a high risk pregnancy. No one should be forced to have an abortion or forced to give birth. Stay out of it..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes abortion IS a solution. Nobody thinks it is the only one.

It does need to be a possibility that doctors can discuss with their pregnant patients when needed. This is not allowed in TX, so this woman likely didn’t get the info about her condition to be considered “fully informed”

What the patient chooses to do with the information provided by medical professionals is her decision. One hopes they have all information needed.

This woman told her mom to save her baby’s life before her own life, why can’t you accept she was informed?

She wasn’t informed that her best option for her survival was abortion. We know this because Texas law dictates that.
The only solution offered on this thread is abortion.

No one is even considering this woman and her baby had a chance to live, which they definitely did.

Again: if this woman aborted her baby, the next woman with a high risk pregnancy would have gained no benefit.

The reality you think is correct is women continue to abort their high risk pregnancy /babies against their will.

That’s the solution you are advocating for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes abortion IS a solution. Nobody thinks it is the only one.

It does need to be a possibility that doctors can discuss with their pregnant patients when needed. This is not allowed in TX, so this woman likely didn’t get the info about her condition to be considered “fully informed”

What the patient chooses to do with the information provided by medical professionals is her decision. One hopes they have all information needed.

This woman told her mom to save her baby’s life before her own life, why can’t you accept she was informed?

The only solution offered on this thread is abortion.

No one is even considering this woman and her baby had a chance to live, which they definitely did.

Again: if this woman aborted her baby, the next woman with a high risk pregnancy would have gained no benefit.

The reality you think is correct is women continue to abort their high risk pregnancy /babies against their will.

That’s the solution you are advocating for.

Sometimes things change when worst case scenario is the reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bed rest sounds like it might have helped, too. Hard to say.

A job that offered adequate paid leave and health insurance may have helped, also.

I’m not her doctor and don’t know if rest/proper medication were the solutions to keep her alive, though

Yes, because we aren’t doctors we don’t know if her taking doctor prescribed medications and her taking doctor prescribed bed rest would have helped her. Doctors often tell their pregnant patients to take medication that hurts them and rest when they should be working.

I think you’re reading into what I’m saying. The doc may have prescribed those 2 things and she didn’t do them (for so many reasons that we also could debate). Would doing those things have been enough to save her? I don’t know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP... what's happening in Texas and elsewhere is an atrocity. Heathcare needs should be determined by doctors and qualified medical professionals, NOT attorneys, judges and legislators.

Aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is not healthcare.

Spouting nonsense is not useful to this discussion. Not a single poster said that "aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is healthcare".

Yet no one is talking about solutions for women besides abortion, This woman didn’t want an abortion.

The only solution offered in this thread is abortion, even if a woman doesn’t want one.

The solution for all women is not doctors aborting every baby because of pregnancy complications. But that’s all you talk about.

There are other options for a woman with pregnancy complications and none of them are considered by people who think abortion is the answer to every woman’s pregnancy complications.

Dp- no one has said abortion is the only answer. You aren’t able to discuss this honestly and in good faith.
This woman’s doctors were unable to speak honestly and thoroughly about her condition.
So we will never know what her choice was. She wasn’t given all the information to make it.

We know her doctors were trying to save her life and her baby’s life, which is what doctors do when a pregnant woman is ill.

Doctors try to save lives. That’s their whole job.

Doctors don’t kill patients because they have complications. They treat the complications.

The single solution offered in this thread is abortion.

If a pregnant woman has a high risk pregnancy, abortion is NOT HER ONLY SOLUTION.

There are no people in this thread saying anything other than this woman should have aborted her baby.

What should women with high risk pregnancies do? Abort.

Is that the outcome all women want? No.

Do doctors want women with high risk pregnancies to abort their babies? No.

Should diabetic women abort their babies? No.

Should women with breathing problems abort their babies? No.

Should pregnant women who can’t afford medicine abort their babies? No.

The single solution being demanded on this thread is abortion.

Women’s pregnancy care is about more than abortion.

This woman was 31 weeks pregnant when she and her baby died.

No doctor could have predicted how her pregnancy would have unfolded.

You think women who are fat or diabetic should be offered abortions routinely?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes abortion IS a solution. Nobody thinks it is the only one.

It does need to be a possibility that doctors can discuss with their pregnant patients when needed. This is not allowed in TX, so this woman likely didn’t get the info about her condition to be considered “fully informed”

What the patient chooses to do with the information provided by medical professionals is her decision. One hopes they have all information needed.

This woman told her mom to save her baby’s life before her own life, why can’t you accept she was informed?

The only solution offered on this thread is abortion.

No one is even considering this woman and her baby had a chance to live, which they definitely did.

Again: if this woman aborted her baby, the next woman with a high risk pregnancy would have gained no benefit.

The reality you think is correct is women continue to abort their high risk pregnancy /babies against their will.

That’s the solution you are advocating for.

Sometimes things change when worst case scenario is the reality.

Women can’t have abortions at 31 weeks with a healthy baby. She would have had induced labor at that point.

What are you advocating for here? Killing a healthy 31 week baby via abortion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP... what's happening in Texas and elsewhere is an atrocity. Heathcare needs should be determined by doctors and qualified medical professionals, NOT attorneys, judges and legislators.

Aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is not healthcare.

Spouting nonsense is not useful to this discussion. Not a single poster said that "aborting every baby because their mother is experiencing a high risk pregnancy is healthcare".

Yet no one is talking about solutions for women besides abortion, This woman didn’t want an abortion.

The only solution offered in this thread is abortion, even if a woman doesn’t want one.

The solution for all women is not doctors aborting every baby because of pregnancy complications. But that’s all you talk about.

There are other options for a woman with pregnancy complications and none of them are considered by people who think abortion is the answer to every woman’s pregnancy complications.

Dp- no one has said abortion is the only answer. You aren’t able to discuss this honestly and in good faith.
This woman’s doctors were unable to speak honestly and thoroughly about her condition.
So we will never know what her choice was. She wasn’t given all the information to make it.

So what other option should this woman had had, in your opinion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We won’t really know what her choice was, because she didn’t have one.
I remember reading an article about a Covid denier who rode his bike to Sturgis, before there was an available vaccine.
He felt super good about his choice on his ride out to the rally. He literally said if he died, well so be it, he was doing what he loved.
Cut to him in the ICU a month later. He didn’t want to die was regretting his decision.
But at least he had a choice.
Was this woman made aware of the risks and consequences? I’m skeptical.
Keeping women in the dark about their circumstances and the best medical advice isn’t pro life.

We do know what this woman thought:

“Leticia wasn’t as sure, recalling something Yeni said in passing after her improvement in the Austin I.C.U.: that if a doctor had to choose between saving her or saving Selene, her daughter should come first. Leticia had responded, half in jest, “And who exactly is going to take care of Selene?” “Well, you, Mami!” Yeni said. “Me?” Leticia teased. “If you leave, you better take Selene with you!” Laughing, the women laid the subject to rest, never to discuss it again."“

This loving mother told her mom her baby girl came first.

I really don’t know what you want to happen after a pregnant woman tells her own mother her baby comes first. The doctors to hold her down and an anesthesiologist administer general sedation and the medical team remove her healthy baby by force?

If anyone reads the linked article, they can read that this woman was morbidly obese, had diabetes, other significant health problems, was not enrolled in the medicaid program she was entitled to be receiving healthcare benefits from, working a physical job while very sick and pregnant, and unable to afford her needed medication because she was not enrolled in medicaid.

Her husband (who left town with her car after her and their baby girl’s death, weird) should have taken control of the situation and helped his wife enroll in medicaid and supported her financially while she was working and desperately ill. It’s a messed up situation that unfortunately ended in this woman and her baby dying. She didn’t want an abortion.

Pretty soon, news stories about pregnant women being killed by their husbands and boyfriends (which happens all too often tragically, it’s scary) and democrats will be blaming their deaths on their inability to get abortions After all, if the women could have only killed their unborn babies, their husbands/boyfriends wouldn’t have had to kill them.

How was it a choice when she wasn’t given the option to end the pregnancy or deliver it after 23 weeks when it might have been viable? That’s not a choice. Did her doctors tell her when she was first having serious problems in her pregnancy that she should consider terminating? No they did not because they are in Texas where that is illegal.

If she had been given the option of terminating or delivering early, and she said no, fair enough. That would be her choice.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that in states like Texas women especially poor women have no choice?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes abortion IS a solution. Nobody thinks it is the only one.

It does need to be a possibility that doctors can discuss with their pregnant patients when needed. This is not allowed in TX, so this woman likely didn’t get the info about her condition to be considered “fully informed”

What the patient chooses to do with the information provided by medical professionals is her decision. One hopes they have all information needed.

This woman told her mom to save her baby’s life before her own life, why can’t you accept she was informed?

The only solution offered on this thread is abortion.

No one is even considering this woman and her baby had a chance to live, which they definitely did.

Again: if this woman aborted her baby, the next woman with a high risk pregnancy would have gained no benefit.

The reality you think is correct is women continue to abort their high risk pregnancy /babies against their will.

That’s the solution you are advocating for.

Sometimes things change when worst case scenario is the reality.

Women can’t have abortions at 31 weeks with a healthy baby. She would have had induced labor at that point.

What are you advocating for here? Killing a healthy 31 week baby via abortion?

What people are advocating is letting doctors and patients have the choice they want when it comes to the patient’s pregnancy. You apparently disagree with that and think the state should make the decision.