Do Harvard's Problems Benefit Stanford/Princeton/Yale or Just Drag Down All the Ivies?

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Anonymous wrote:NP I saw the story about Harvard Gay scandal on the TV news in France. It was hardly a little tiny story the world ignores.

The Harvard brand is super old and much larger than any individual.

If you think firing a President who has been there less than a year because she may have copied work will dilute the brand, good luck with that.

It's not quite that. I'm a Harvard alum. I was unhappy with her selection and did not go or watch the inauguration.When I heard of it and studied it it was clear she was unqualified and a weakling put in place because of her skin color AND her area of study (DEI) in which her research is NOT IMPRESSIVE. (I am personal friends with black members of the board). I am sick of DEI taking over our universities. She was never qualified either from academic standing or LEADERSHIP standing - she had NEVER been the head of a university like Harvard. Yet the board/Harvard Corporation pushed her on us. All in the name of DEI. I was disgusted with this back in July when her appointment was announced; disgusted at the inauguration; disgusted when she was absent when the first pro-Palestinian protest occurred. She has been, in my mind, utterly useless and irresponsible as a Harvard President. We all saw this coming, but not the plagiarism. I knew her work was incredibly weak but the Harvard Corporation (yes I have associates on it) NEEDED to have her president for obvious reasons and went forward. Read up on her background. There is no racism here. She was always a bad candidate for Harvard, and any other institution for that matter.

She's done a great service. Gay should have stayed. Don't say she was a mediocre scholar who never belong in the same league as Harvard. Her record as a #1 cheater is absolutely fitting for one of the most corrupt institutions in the world.

I think the previous PP is one of those political posters. How many times did they include "DEI?" Definitely trying to wage a negative image campaign there. So tired of people using this board to advance a political agenda.

Just stop. The DEI push is an issue for many of us who are nonpolitical and one that needs to be discussed. Just dismissing it is ignorant. It's not going away. It has entrapped our nation's institutions. READ AND LEARN before you say such nonsense. This is a critical time in our nation's universities. And read up on how the chinese and russians imposed indoctrination on eras of young people. Germans too. It's casebook communisim or similar. To say otherwise is to say you don'tknow world history

Not sure why you are defending one of the most corrupt institutions in the world. Its anti-Asian, antisemitic... and I don't know what else. Gay was in the right place. She's a mediocre scholar. She cheated her way to the top. She fits in perfectly as a figurehead of an emperor with no clothes on.

Where are you getting that? When I attended it was over 30% Jewish. This was after the exclusionary practices of the 50s and 60s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

Sounds like someone really can't handle the idea that Harvard's brand is being diluted.

PP you replied to. Ha ha, I have no ties to Harvard or any other Ivy institution. But as a member of an international family, with nieces and nephews who are considering US colleges, I can GUARANTEE that your little provincial disputes about the comparative worth of Harvard vs other Ivies and top tier colleges means NOTHING. The majority of the world still views Ivies exactly as before.

You people have a case of being too close to the problem. Every little Ivy travail that most of the world ignores is blown up to huge proportions in your eyes. You are just so gleeful when anything remotely negative happens to an Ivy. It's so obvious to others who don't have a dog in this fight that it's a case of deep envy. If your kid was offered a spot, most of you would jump at it.

I stand by what I said.

And that's the thing about Harvard.

It attracts people that want the name and that's it. It gets the foreigners that want the brand. It gets the private school apps. Again, brand.

Meanwhile, apps were down significantly this year. And it will be worse next year.

It doesn't offer good STEM for undergrad. It seems to only be accessibale for very hooked kids, so smart kids aren't applying anymore. And it's become a political thing, which no ambitious 18 year old wants to be a part of.

So, it's the rich kids from Columbia or China or wherever, the privileged from Harvard-Westlake or Horace Mann, some DEI, also from the top privates, some athletes that aren't good enough for better D1, and maybe three genuinely smart kids.

The reality is that Harvard saw their apps drop by nearly 20 percent this year. It will be a much bigger drop next year.

But, of course, Harvard will remain a big name in Montevideo.

Meanwhile, smart kids aren't applying anymore and have moved on.

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't be surprised if Harvard drops down to #7-8 in the next US News ranking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP I saw the story about Harvard Gay scandal on the TV news in France. It was hardly a little tiny story the world ignores.

The Harvard brand is super old and much larger than any individual.

If you think firing a President who has been there less than a year because she may have copied work will dilute the brand, good luck with that.

It's not quite that. I'm a Harvard alum. I was unhappy with her selection and did not go or watch the inauguration.When I heard of it and studied it it was clear she was unqualified and a weakling put in place because of her skin color AND her area of study (DEI) in which her research is NOT IMPRESSIVE. (I am personal friends with black members of the board). I am sick of DEI taking over our universities. She was never qualified either from academic standing or LEADERSHIP standing - she had NEVER been the head of a university like Harvard. Yet the board/Harvard Corporation pushed her on us. All in the name of DEI. I was disgusted with this back in July when her appointment was announced; disgusted at the inauguration; disgusted when she was absent when the first pro-Palestinian protest occurred. She has been, in my mind, utterly useless and irresponsible as a Harvard President. We all saw this coming, but not the plagiarism. I knew her work was incredibly weak but the Harvard Corporation (yes I have associates on it) NEEDED to have her president for obvious reasons and went forward. Read up on her background. There is no racism here. She was always a bad candidate for Harvard, and any other institution for that matter.

She's done a great service. Gay should have stayed. Don't say she was a mediocre scholar who never belong in the same league as Harvard. Her record as a #1 cheater is absolutely fitting for one of the most corrupt institutions in the world.

I think the previous PP is one of those political posters. How many times did they include "DEI?" Definitely trying to wage a negative image campaign there. So tired of people using this board to advance a political agenda.

Just stop. The DEI push is an issue for many of us who are nonpolitical and one that needs to be discussed. Just dismissing it is ignorant. It's not going away. It has entrapped our nation's institutions. READ AND LEARN before you say such nonsense. This is a critical time in our nation's universities. And read up on how the chinese and russians imposed indoctrination on eras of young people. Germans too. It's casebook communisim or similar. To say otherwise is to say you don'tknow world history

Not sure why you are defending one of the most corrupt institutions in the world. Its anti-Asian, antisemitic... and I don't know what else. Gay was in the right place. She's a mediocre scholar. She cheated her way to the top. She fits in perfectly as a figurehead of an emperor with no clothes on.

would you please provide some proof for your claims?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

Sounds like someone really can't handle the idea that Harvard's brand is being diluted.

PP you replied to. Ha ha, I have no ties to Harvard or any other Ivy institution. But as a member of an international family, with nieces and nephews who are considering US colleges, I can GUARANTEE that your little provincial disputes about the comparative worth of Harvard vs other Ivies and top tier colleges means NOTHING. The majority of the world still views Ivies exactly as before.

You people have a case of being too close to the problem. Every little Ivy travail that most of the world ignores is blown up to huge proportions in your eyes. You are just so gleeful when anything remotely negative happens to an Ivy. It's so obvious to others who don't have a dog in this fight that it's a case of deep envy. If your kid was offered a spot, most of you would jump at it.

I stand by what I said.

And that's the thing about Harvard.

It attracts people that want the name and that's it. It gets the foreigners that want the brand. It gets the private school apps. Again, brand.

Meanwhile, apps were down significantly this year. And it will be worse next year.

It doesn't offer good STEM for undergrad. It seems to only be accessibale for very hooked kids, so smart kids aren't applying anymore. And it's become a political thing, which no ambitious 18 year old wants to be a part of.

So, it's the rich kids from Columbia or China or wherever, the privileged from Harvard-Westlake or Horace Mann, some DEI, also from the top privates, some athletes that aren't good enough for better D1, and maybe three genuinely smart kids.

The reality is that Harvard saw their apps drop by nearly 20 percent this year. It will be a much bigger drop next year.

But, of course, Harvard will remain a big name in Montevideo.

Meanwhile, smart kids aren't applying anymore and have moved on.

You are making it a political thing. You keep posting and go on and on waging some kind of mythical culture war. Can't you just move on and let other people draw their own conclusions? Not a Harvard booster, but so tired of people trying to make this political with hyperbole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh God, another weekly "let's bash the Ivies" thread.

Someone is on a mission out there. Quite tiresome and I don't even have a kid at an ivy.

+1

It is tiresome. We get it - Harvard is shit and Yale is in decline. Princeton is a darling which baffles me because they are just as woke and have the same issues as HY yet somehow people choose to look the other way because of their strength in STEM?!?!?

Let's move on. Seriously.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh God, another weekly "let's bash the Ivies" thread.

Someone is on a mission out there. Quite tiresome and I don't even have a kid at an ivy.

+1

It is tiresome. We get it - Harvard is shit and Yale is in decline. Princeton is a darling which baffles me because they are just as woke and have the same issues as HY yet somehow people choose to look the other way because of their strength in STEM?!?!?

Let's move on. Seriously.

Harvard is NOT shit! Harvard will always be a huge brand, but it needs to reassess its woke ideology. Dr. Gay propped up by the Obamas while being only marginally qualified for the position.

Yale is NOT in decline! Yale will always be a huge brand and is less woke than many other elite institutions.

Princeton is NOT a darling! Princeton will always be huge brand, but I agree with you that Princeton has the woke mind virus yet considered a conservative institution.

[Anonymous]

Won’t change a thing.

Not even for Harvard.

However, due to the debacle, will be a TON of preferential, how do I say this, “non-anti-Semite” acceptances for the next couple of years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh God, another weekly "let's bash the Ivies" thread.

Someone is on a mission out there. Quite tiresome and I don't even have a kid at an ivy.

+1

It is tiresome. We get it - Harvard is shit and Yale is in decline. Princeton is a darling which baffles me because they are just as woke and have the same issues as HY yet somehow people choose to look the other way because of their strength in STEM?!?!?

Let's move on. Seriously.

+1000

Princeton and STEM??? You DO realize Princeton is a Theology school with its majority endowment in the liberal arts?

It’s “STEM” is arguably laughable. That’s like saying Chicago is a great art school…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

Sounds like someone really can't handle the idea that Harvard's brand is being diluted.

PP you replied to. Ha ha, I have no ties to Harvard or any other Ivy institution. But as a member of an international family, with nieces and nephews who are considering US colleges, I can GUARANTEE that your little provincial disputes about the comparative worth of Harvard vs other Ivies and top tier colleges means NOTHING. The majority of the world still views Ivies exactly as before.

You people have a case of being too close to the problem. Every little Ivy travail that most of the world ignores is blown up to huge proportions in your eyes. You are just so gleeful when anything remotely negative happens to an Ivy. It's so obvious to others who don't have a dog in this fight that it's a case of deep envy. If your kid was offered a spot, most of you would jump at it.

I stand by what I said.

And that's the thing about Harvard.

It attracts people that want the name and that's it. It gets the foreigners that want the brand. It gets the private school apps. Again, brand.

Meanwhile, apps were down significantly this year. And it will be worse next year.

It doesn't offer good STEM for undergrad. It seems to only be accessibale for very hooked kids, so smart kids aren't applying anymore. And it's become a political thing, which no ambitious 18 year old wants to be a part of.

So, it's the rich kids from Columbia or China or wherever, the privileged from Harvard-Westlake or Horace Mann, some DEI, also from the top privates, some athletes that aren't good enough for better D1, and maybe three genuinely smart kids.

The reality is that Harvard saw their apps drop by nearly 20 percent this year. It will be a much bigger drop next year.

But, of course, Harvard will remain a big name in Montevideo.

Meanwhile, smart kids aren't applying anymore and have moved on.

What are you on about? Neither Harvard nor Princeton nor Yale are good at STEM. Stanford even is middling.

STEM is not what you go to these liberal arts schools for.

[Anonymous]

(And by STEM I mean undergrad).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

Sounds like someone really can't handle the idea that Harvard's brand is being diluted.

PP you replied to. Ha ha, I have no ties to Harvard or any other Ivy institution. But as a member of an international family, with nieces and nephews who are considering US colleges, I can GUARANTEE that your little provincial disputes about the comparative worth of Harvard vs other Ivies and top tier colleges means NOTHING. The majority of the world still views Ivies exactly as before.

You people have a case of being too close to the problem. Every little Ivy travail that most of the world ignores is blown up to huge proportions in your eyes. You are just so gleeful when anything remotely negative happens to an Ivy. It's so obvious to others who don't have a dog in this fight that it's a case of deep envy. If your kid was offered a spot, most of you would jump at it.

I stand by what I said.

And that's the thing about Harvard.

It attracts people that want the name and that's it. It gets the foreigners that want the brand. It gets the private school apps. Again, brand.

Meanwhile, apps were down significantly this year. And it will be worse next year.

It doesn't offer good STEM for undergrad. It seems to only be accessibale for very hooked kids, so smart kids aren't applying anymore. And it's become a political thing, which no ambitious 18 year old wants to be a part of.

So, it's the rich kids from Columbia or China or wherever, the privileged from Harvard-Westlake or Horace Mann, some DEI, also from the top privates, some athletes that aren't good enough for better D1, and maybe three genuinely smart kids.

The reality is that Harvard saw their apps drop by nearly 20 percent this year. It will be a much bigger drop next year.

But, of course, Harvard will remain a big name in Montevideo.

Meanwhile, smart kids aren't applying anymore and have moved on.

What are you on about? Neither Harvard nor Princeton nor Yale are good at STEM. Stanford even is middling.

STEM is not what you go to these liberal arts schools for.

And by STEM I mean undergrad STEM.

Grad school is a different ballgame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

Sounds like someone really can't handle the idea that Harvard's brand is being diluted.

PP you replied to. Ha ha, I have no ties to Harvard or any other Ivy institution. But as a member of an international family, with nieces and nephews who are considering US colleges, I can GUARANTEE that your little provincial disputes about the comparative worth of Harvard vs other Ivies and top tier colleges means NOTHING. The majority of the world still views Ivies exactly as before.

You people have a case of being too close to the problem. Every little Ivy travail that most of the world ignores is blown up to huge proportions in your eyes. You are just so gleeful when anything remotely negative happens to an Ivy. It's so obvious to others who don't have a dog in this fight that it's a case of deep envy. If your kid was offered a spot, most of you would jump at it.

I stand by what I said.

And that's the thing about Harvard.

It attracts people that want the name and that's it. It gets the foreigners that want the brand. It gets the private school apps. Again, brand.

Meanwhile, apps were down significantly this year. And it will be worse next year.

It doesn't offer good STEM for undergrad. It seems to only be accessibale for very hooked kids, so smart kids aren't applying anymore. And it's become a political thing, which no ambitious 18 year old wants to be a part of.

So, it's the rich kids from Columbia or China or wherever, the privileged from Harvard-Westlake or Horace Mann, some DEI, also from the top privates, some athletes that aren't good enough for better D1, and maybe three genuinely smart kids.

The reality is that Harvard saw their apps drop by nearly 20 percent this year. It will be a much bigger drop next year.

But, of course, Harvard will remain a big name in Montevideo.

Meanwhile, smart kids aren't applying anymore and have moved on.

What are you on about? Neither Harvard nor Princeton nor Yale are good at STEM. Stanford even is middling.

STEM is not what you go to these liberal arts schools for.

+1

Precisely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious as to whether all the bad press about Harvard lately makes its rivals look better by comparison, or just drags down all the elite schools.

My gut is that this is a boon to Stanford and Princeton in particular, and maybe less so to Yale (given that Yale is so far left now), but may it just unleashes all the negative feelings that others have towards the traditionally elite schools, especially the Ivies.

Ironically, Yale is not as far left as perceived and actually in the middle compared to the other Ivies. Yes, there is a sizable leftist community yet far less leftist than many other schools, e.g., Harvard, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Berkley, Wesleyan, Middlebury, etc.

You’re kidding, right? Even if you want to ignore the entire Amy Chua episode, are you talking about the same Yale that relieved Professor Christakis and his wife from their positions because they suggested that students shouldn’t take Halloween costumes too seriously and talk to each other if they found a Halloween costume offensive? The same Yale that threatened the career of a student because he sent out an invitation to a party that referred to his apartment as a “trap house?” That’s before we get to any of the recent events post Palestinian conflict.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious as to whether all the bad press about Harvard lately makes its rivals look better by comparison, or just drags down all the elite schools.

My gut is that this is a boon to Stanford and Princeton in particular, and maybe less so to Yale (given that Yale is so far left now), but may it just unleashes all the negative feelings that others have towards the traditionally elite schools, especially the Ivies.

Ironically, Yale is not as far left as perceived and actually in the middle compared to the other Ivies. Yes, there is a sizable leftist community yet far less leftist than many other schools, e.g., Harvard, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Berkley, Wesleyan, Middlebury, etc.

You’re kidding, right? Even if you want to ignore the entire Amy Chua episode, are you talking about the same Yale that relieved Professor Christakis and his wife from their positions because they suggested that students shouldn’t take Halloween costumes too seriously and talk to each other if they found a Halloween costume offensive? The same Yale that threatened the career of a student because he sent out an invitation to a party that referred to his apartment as a “trap house?” That’s before we get to any of the recent events post Palestinian conflict.

Do you actually have any personal and direct experience with Yale or are you basing all of this on what has been covered in the media?

Because I have personal and direct experience with Yale, and I confirm that what the previous poster said is correct - "Yale is not as far left as perceived and actually in the middle compared to the other Ivies". It's true the incidences you referred to happened, but they do not paint a holistic picture of the campus environment. There are several very prominent conservative organizations on campus that are very active and have a lot of members. But, of course, this won't be covered by the media because it doesn't fit with the story they are trying to push...or with the story some posters on DCUM are trying to push about certain schools.