Do Harvard's Problems Benefit Stanford/Princeton/Yale or Just Drag Down All the Ivies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

I disagree.

Applications were down 17 percent at Harvard this year. And that was before all the issues.They will take another hit next year.

People don't really give a damn about Harvard anymore. Particularly not young people.

I can’t imagine anyone not applying because of the Israel-Hamas stuff. They are not applying because admissions rates are too low and the tuition is too expensive for donut hole families so “what’s the point?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

I disagree.

Applications were down 17 percent at Harvard this year. And that was before all the issues. They will take another hit next year.

Yale has been on the decline for some time. Very progressive. Abusive students. No meaningful STEM, comparatively.

MIT, Stanford, and Princeton are what's what for the very top.

There are a lot of schools who could fill their classes many times over. UCLA gets more than a 100,000 apps. BU gets more than 60,000.

But in general, Ivy League is not what it was. MIT, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Rice, Chicago, Carnegie Mellon, not to mention publics like Michigan and Berkeley.

People don't really give a damn about Harvard anymore. Particularly not young people.

Apps are down because top unhooked students have finally realized (a few years too late) that SCEA is a wasted application: nobody applies there anymore; it’s too crowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know someone who recently decided between Stanford, Harvard, and mit. So yes, this is happening.

Impressive and highly unusual. What was their profile like? GPA? Public or private high? SAT/ACT? ECs?

Not unusual in my circles.

BS if you’re in the DC area. No area school has kids who get to decide from Stanford, Harvard, and MIT, not even TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

I disagree.

Applications were down 17 percent at Harvard this year. And that was before all the issues.They will take another hit next year.

People don't really give a damn about Harvard anymore. Particularly not young people.

I can’t imagine anyone not applying because of the Israel-Hamas stuff. They are not applying because admissions rates are too low and the tuition is too expensive for donut hole families so “what’s the point?”

Funny, the number of applicants went up in all the peer institutions. Only Harvard suffered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know someone who recently decided between Stanford, Harvard, and mit. So yes, this is happening.

Impressive and highly unusual. What was their profile like? GPA? Public or private high? SAT/ACT? ECs?

Not unusual in my circles.

BS if you’re in the DC area. No area school has kids who get to decide from Stanford, Harvard, and MIT, not even TJ.

Boarding school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know someone who recently decided between Stanford, Harvard, and mit. So yes, this is happening.

Impressive and highly unusual. What was their profile like? GPA? Public or private high? SAT/ACT? ECs?

Actually, if you think about it, a kid who is appealing to one of those schools will likely be appealing to another school of that caliber. So not that unusual really. I think the mit and Stanford duo admits are more common if the kid is into stem, and exceptionally strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

I disagree.

Applications were down 17 percent at Harvard this year. And that was before all the issues. They will take another hit next year.

Yale has been on the decline for some time. Very progressive. Abusive students. No meaningful STEM, comparatively.

MIT, Stanford, and Princeton are what's what for the very top.

There are a lot of schools who could fill their classes many times over. UCLA gets more than a 100,000 apps. BU gets more than 60,000.

But in general, Ivy League is not what it was. MIT, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Rice, Chicago, Carnegie Mellon, not to mention publics like Michigan and Berkeley.

People don't really give a damn about Harvard anymore. Particularly not young people.

I think you are largely right. Yale was already a bit out there, and Harvard is now eating itself alive. MIT, Stanford, and Princeton seem to be relatively unscathed in comparison, and kids are realizing there are a lot of other great options where you can avoid getting sucked into the political infighting.

Are you the same person responding to yourself? Or, are you both political posters? This is ridiculous. Yale is incredibly selective with no signs of being "on the decline." Interesting how you throw this out there. And ignore schools like Brown that have seen huge jumps in apps with HYPS level admission rates. But, that wouldn't fit your narrative. And, btw, both Yale and Brown have kids from a variety of political spectra. They are not the echo chambers you want to paint them as.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know someone who recently decided between Stanford, Harvard, and mit. So yes, this is happening.

Impressive and highly unusual. What was their profile like? GPA? Public or private high? SAT/ACT? ECs?

Not unusual in my circles.

BS if you’re in the DC area. No area school has kids who get to decide from Stanford, Harvard, and MIT, not even TJ.

Blair did. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, among others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know someone who recently decided between Stanford, Harvard, and mit. So yes, this is happening.

Impressive and highly unusual. What was their profile like? GPA? Public or private high? SAT/ACT? ECs?

Not unusual in my circles.

BS if you’re in the DC area. No area school has kids who get to decide from Stanford, Harvard, and MIT, not even TJ.

Blair did. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, among others.

PP again. Kid was Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know someone who recently decided between Stanford, Harvard, and mit. So yes, this is happening.

Impressive and highly unusual. What was their profile like? GPA? Public or private high? SAT/ACT? ECs?

Not unusual in my circles.

mm

Really? What’s that circle? I know a few kids who’ve been in this situation but it’s not common and these are @ top schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, you naive little thing.

Every Ivy could fill up their freshman class a hundred times over with hungry applicants from all over the world, if all their current students quit over their supposed "bad press".

No, it's not going to change anything for your precious snowflake's application.

I disagree.

Applications were down 17 percent at Harvard this year. And that was before all the issues. They will take another hit next year.

Yale has been on the decline for some time. Very progressive. Abusive students. No meaningful STEM, comparatively.

MIT, Stanford, and Princeton are what's what for the very top.

There are a lot of schools who could fill their classes many times over. UCLA gets more than a 100,000 apps. BU gets more than 60,000.

But in general, Ivy League is not what it was. MIT, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Rice, Chicago, Carnegie Mellon, not to mention publics like Michigan and Berkeley.

People don't really give a damn about Harvard anymore. Particularly not young people.

Apps are down because top unhooked students have finally realized (a few years too late) that SCEA is a wasted application: nobody applies there anymore; it’s too crowded.

I think this is true. There's a point where it's not worth it anymore for unhooked kids. Then it becomes try-hards and prestige seekers. Meanwhile, the smart kids apply elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Stanford admin tolerated and defended a cheater as president while driving a star goalie student to suicide. Their brand is suffering too.

[Anonymous]

Personally I don’t think it’s going to have any lasting effects on Harvard. Possibly yield for this year.

[Anonymous]

Oh God, another weekly "let's bash the Ivies" thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not like students are sitting around choosing between Harvard and Stanford. Harvard and Stanford are choosing between them.

Harvard won't suffer from a MAGA boycott.

I have a DC who was blessed with these choices and was very surprised at how many of the same families I kept seeing and chatting with at admitted student days. Mine chose Stanford. Stanford is smart and has the last of the admitted student days and does a fabulous job. DC’s significant other was also admitted at both.

To answer the question of what it takes. Mine had an unweighted 4.0, one and done perfect test scores, great recommendations (found this out during the Jefferson Scholarship interviews), wonderful common app essay and a unique interest that tied in well with intended major. Attended independent catholic school. Significant other was class valedictorian at a huge suburban public school and also had perfect test scores. No hooks