Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?

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Anonymous wrote:My DH's friend was on the flight that Sully landed on the Hudson. He was sitting in the very last row. He said the passengers were pretty calm and orderly, even as the plane started to fill up with water in the back. The passengers went onto the wings of the plane to be rescued.

Don't count out Americans in coming together.

They didn’t have the option of taking their carry-ons out with them. Who knows what might have happened if they did.

They were told to leave them and they did. What is your problem?

What were they going to do, swim with them? These are two completely different scenarios and you know it.

You are weirdly aggressive and fixated on luggage. Maybe see someone for that to get it fixed.

Our friend, who’s also over 6 ft, said the plane landed at a tilt with the nose up higher than the back and the very back started taking on water. He was in the last row. He said the people were very quiet and calm as they exited but they were also super slow that by the time it was finally their turn in the last row to start moving forward to get out, the water had come to his shoulders and he was helping hold someone up.

You think people wouldn’t panic in this, but they didn’t. Die mad about it I guess.

[Anonymous]

Even if Americans might all make it off the plane, it wouldn’t be without nastiness, words, swearing, shoving, and people rooting through bags to grab stuff first.

If cabin crew wastes precious time subduing or restraining especially unruly passengers, those are precious seconds slipping away that will make it all the more likely that people will die. What happens in those types of situations? Is there a protocol?

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Americans might all make it off the plane, it wouldn’t be without nastiness, words, swearing, shoving, and people rooting through bags to grab stuff first.

If cabin crew wastes precious time subduing or restraining especially unruly passengers, those are precious seconds slipping away that will make it all the more likely that people will die. What happens in those types of situations? Is there a protocol?

Did you watch the movie Titanic? Some unruly passengers got shot by the crew. A plane captain is a captain as much as a ship captain is.

But I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing. On the real life example of the Hudson landing, none of that happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know some people would be trying to livestream it too.

Have you ever seen Japanese tourist? Americans wish they were as adept at photographing and livestreaming.

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Anonymous wrote:Just reading the articles about how miraculous it was that 360+ passengers were evacuated so quickly. I wonder if an flight full of American passengers would fair as well? On one hand, the plane on the hudson was a good example of people cooperating and following orders. But that was 2018. It feels like people are behaving badly on planes post-COVID. I was on a flight yesterday and was mortified by how a passenger was talking to a flight attendant. Of course, I would hope an emergency situation would bring out best in us all, but could totally see US passengers pushing and/or trying to take luggage with them, slowing down the whole process. Thoughts?

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Heeeeeelllllll no. Most Americans are selfish, contemptible people who only think of themselves. A good percentage are also just plain, outright cruel. It pains me to say this about my country but I truly feel this and witness it all the time. Just look how people talk on here. And more painfully than how they say it, the things they believe. It's truly awful a lot of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM would first form a committee to elect a subcommittee that would determine the most optimal way to deplane.

I disagree. I’ll tell you the best way. I went to school in Boston and DH is biglaw.

The DCUM plane would evacuate flawlessly because there’s nothing like that DCUM moment where all the PPs are in agreement because the OP is a sh*tshow.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM would first form a committee to elect a subcommittee that would determine the most optimal way to deplane.

I disagree. I’ll tell you the best way. I went to school in Boston and DH is biglaw.

The DCUM plane would evacuate flawlessly because there’s nothing like that DCUM moment where all the PPs are in agreement because the OP is a sh*tshow.

Agree. OP is always wrong and it's always her fault.

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Not a chance! I'd love to live in Japan. I can deal with having no community because I'm not Japanese. Americans aren't very community minded anyway. I just want to be somewhere that people follow rules (reasonable ones--I'm not a total fascist) and don't disrespect public spaces so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Just reading the articles about how miraculous it was that 360+ passengers were evacuated so quickly. I wonder if an flight full of American passengers would fair as well? On one hand, the plane on the hudson was a good example of people cooperating and following orders. But that was 2018. It feels like people are behaving badly on planes post-COVID. I was on a flight yesterday and was mortified by how a passenger was talking to a flight attendant. Of course, I would hope an emergency situation would bring out best in us all, but could totally see US passengers pushing and/or trying to take luggage with them, slowing down the whole process. Thoughts?

hhttps://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/asia/japan-airlines-collision-passenger-accounts-intl-hnk/index.html

Heeeeeelllllll no. Most Americans are selfish, contemptible people who only think of themselves. A good percentage are also just plain, outright cruel. It pains me to say this about my country but I truly feel this and witness it all the time. Just look how people talk on here. And more painfully than how they say it, the things they believe. It's truly awful a lot of the time.

And you know this exactly how? That has not been my experience during a real emergency.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s shocking to think that Americans would block the aisle in an evacuation to get their luggage from overhead, yet that is what they would do. Conversely other Americans are not confident or active enough to just push past. So we would have Doug from Omaha holding up the evacuation in the aisle because he MUST bring his bag, while everyone behind him just stands there looking dumb and not taking action.

I’m the FA from above. It’s not just Americans, Canadians are almost worse! Especially on Canadian-bound US-departing flights. It’s like they have something to prove. Certain Europeans tend to be pretty awful, too. Asian passengers are the most cooperative and well behaved pax.

Funny that Asians are great on planes but horrible tourists off the plane.

Just some overt racism I see..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just reading the articles about how miraculous it was that 360+ passengers were evacuated so quickly. I wonder if an flight full of American passengers would fair as well? On one hand, the plane on the hudson was a good example of people cooperating and following orders. But that was 2018. It feels like people are behaving badly on planes post-COVID. I was on a flight yesterday and was mortified by how a passenger was talking to a flight attendant. Of course, I would hope an emergency situation would bring out best in us all, but could totally see US passengers pushing and/or trying to take luggage with them, slowing down the whole process. Thoughts?

hhttps://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/asia/japan-airlines-collision-passenger-accounts-intl-hnk/index.html

Of course they wouldn't. Americans are generally much much fatter than Japanese as well. This would certainly be a huge factor.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a chance! I'd love to live in Japan. I can deal with having no community because I'm not Japanese. Americans aren't very community minded anyway. I just want to be somewhere that people follow rules (reasonable ones--I'm not a total fascist) and don't disrespect public spaces so much.

Japan also has sensible housing and transportation policy that allows Tokyo, one of the world's densest cities, to have relatively affordable apartments and homes for people to live in with easy access to subway and commuter rail. An absolute pipe dream here.

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If cabin crew wastes precious time subduing or restraining especially unruly passengers, those are precious seconds slipping away that will make it all the more likely that people will die. What happens in those types of situations? Is there a protocol?

This is why crew wont' argue if you're about to jump off onto the slide with your carry-on. It's quicker to just let you do it than argue and waste time.

In general, I think an evacuation of a plane full of Americans would be worse than a plane full of Japanese, as the Japanese society is more about rule-following and what's the best for the society not the individual.

Where Americans will come out ahead is if the situation dictates the need for rule breaking. Think of 9/11 and the flight that crashed in PA. It's because, instead of following the rules and listening to the hijackers, some passengers stood up and overpowered them, potentially avoiding a much worse disaster. That wasn't in the rule book.

[Anonymous]

Not in a million years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DH's friend was on the flight that Sully landed on the Hudson. He was sitting in the very last row. He said the passengers were pretty calm and orderly, even as the plane started to fill up with water in the back. The passengers went onto the wings of the plane to be rescued.

Don't count out Americans in coming together.

They didn’t have the option of taking their carry-ons out with them. Who knows what might have happened if they did.

They were told to leave them and they did. What is your problem?

What were they going to do, swim with them? These are two completely different scenarios and you know it.

You are weirdly aggressive and fixated on luggage. Maybe see someone for that to get it fixed.

Our friend, who’s also over 6 ft, said the plane landed at a tilt with the nose up higher than the back and the very back started taking on water. He was in the last row. He said the people were very quiet and calm as they exited but they were also super slow that by the time it was finally their turn in the last row to start moving forward to get out, the water had come to his shoulders and he was helping hold someone up.

You think people wouldn’t panic in this, but they didn’t. Die mad about it I guess.

Maybe because YouTube is full of videos of planes ON THE GROUND on literal fire with people casually dragging their bags off the emergency slides and WALKING away with them.

Why are you acting like the two scenarios are the same? Of course people weren’t bringing their bags out onto open water. How does this not make sense to you?