Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?

[Anonymous]

No way Americans would evacuate like Japanese.

Maybe Germans. Maybe Swiss. But not Americans.

The point about separated families is important with the current airline practice of separating out every conceivable thing, including seat selection, into a separate profit center. I could see a parent holding things up trying to unite with their kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if Americans might all make it off the plane, it wouldn’t be without nastiness, words, swearing, shoving, and people rooting through bags to grab stuff first.

If cabin crew wastes precious time subduing or restraining especially unruly passengers, those are precious seconds slipping away that will make it all the more likely that people will die. What happens in those types of situations? Is there a protocol?

Did you watch the movie Titanic? Some unruly passengers got shot by the crew. A plane captain is a captain as much as a ship captain is.

But I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing. On the real life example of the Hudson landing, none of that happened.

James Cameron took creative license with that scene. There is ambiguity as to whether any officer actually shot passengers rather than firing warning shots in the air. The particular person Cameron picked to carry out that action, First Officer William Murdoch, was hailed as a hero who saved many passengers and there was no evidence he took a bribe or shot anyone as the movie depicted. Movies, even "historical enactments"' should not be relied upon for historical accuracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No way Americans would evacuate like Japanese.

Maybe Germans. Maybe Swiss. But not Americans.

The point about separated families is important with the current airline practice of separating out every conceivable thing, including seat selection, into a separate profit center. I could see a parent holding things up trying to unite with their kid.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a chance! I'd love to live in Japan. I can deal with having no community because I'm not Japanese. Americans aren't very community minded anyway. I just want to be somewhere that people follow rules (reasonable ones--I'm not a total fascist) and don't disrespect public spaces so much.

I found Scotland to be very respectful of their environment and community-minded.

[Anonymous]

I think Americans would deplane in a similar manner. Perhaps it’s just wishful thinking, but I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just reading the articles about how miraculous it was that 360+ passengers were evacuated so quickly. I wonder if an flight full of American passengers would fair as well? On one hand, the plane on the hudson was a good example of people cooperating and following orders. But that was 2018. It feels like people are behaving badly on planes post-COVID. I was on a flight yesterday and was mortified by how a passenger was talking to a flight attendant. Of course, I would hope an emergency situation would bring out best in us all, but could totally see US passengers pushing and/or trying to take luggage with them, slowing down the whole process. Thoughts?

hhttps://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/asia/japan-airlines-collision-passenger-accounts-intl-hnk/index.html

Of course not.

In the US some WH official would have asked all passengers to first of all please line up by skin color of face, then skin color of arms, then legs. Then by gender identity, then by actual sex. Of course then there'd be some debate about all those parameters.

By the time the line was formed, they were all burned corpses. Except the WH officials, who had of course left ready to write an OpEd for the NYT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No way Americans would evacuate like Japanese.

Maybe Germans. Maybe Swiss. But not Americans.

The point about separated families is important with the current airline practice of separating out every conceivable thing, including seat selection, into a separate profit center. I could see a parent holding things up trying to unite with their kid.

I think people would either push the child forward to be with the parent or push past the parent or both. Similar to the fa’s experience with obese passengers, I don’t think children are separated by several rows from their parents very often.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a fight attendant and no, they would not.

I have a feeling these videos will be used in training as an example of a perfect evacuation. Unfortunately, people suck and would rather die than leave their precious carry-on behind. I’m to the point where, if this ever happens to me, I’m not dying for you if you choose to fool around. I’m out.

yup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Watch this only if you don't have high blood pressure. You can see people going down the evacuation slides with carry-ons.

That’s an amazing video. I do see some bags, but I also wonder if those weren’t people toward the front of the plane that grabbed their backpack or whatever from the seat in front of them and had it in their hand/lap already when it was time to stand up. I get it that you’re supposed to leave everything behind, but I didn’t see anything that looked like people were pulling luggage out of the overhead compartment.

I am curious about the long delays though. I would have thought there would have been more of a steady stream of people. There was in the beginning but then long pauses and then one or two others, not apparently injured (and empty handed - they weren’t collecting their bags). I wonder why that was?

[Anonymous]

My friend was on the 2009 US Airways flight that landed in the Hudson River. He said that everyone was very respectful and followed directions. No one was pushing, shoving and/or worried about their carry ons.

I’m saddened that we as people think so little of ourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think if there was a fire and smoke filling the cabin, people would be panicking to get out, pushing people out of the way and not grabbing their stuff.

I encourage you to check out some videos on YouTube of this exact scenario. People very much do not.

do not panic or refrain from grabbing their stuff?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a good reason to travel with your absolute must have items (like phone l, keys and wallet) in your pocket. If you have those items you can forget the rest (unless you have a pet stowed under the seat or a child. Not leaving those behind.)

that's exactly how i travel - phone, keys, wallet, and then my meds in bag under my seat. I might grab them as I'm sure the insurance wouldn't reissue then I would be dead another way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way Americans would evacuate like Japanese.

Maybe Germans. Maybe Swiss. But not Americans.

The point about separated families is important with the current airline practice of separating out every conceivable thing, including seat selection, into a separate profit center. I could see a parent holding things up trying to unite with their kid.

I think people would either push the child forward to be with the parent or push past the parent or both. Similar to the fa’s experience with obese passengers, I don’t think children are separated by several rows from their parents very often.

Can totally see the parent pushing past to reunite. I was once unexpectedly in a declared disaster area and my mom tried to ram the police barricade to reach the inner perimeter. This was decades before cellphones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Watch this only if you don't have high blood pressure. You can see people going down the evacuation slides with carry-ons.

Amazing that they're not running as fast as they can away from the plane!! Once they get down the slide, they seem to slow down. I'd be running so fast!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No way Americans would evacuate like Japanese.

Maybe Germans. Maybe Swiss. But not Americans.

The point about separated families is important with the current airline practice of separating out every conceivable thing, including seat selection, into a separate profit center. I could see a parent holding things up trying to unite with their kid.

I think people would either push the child forward to be with the parent or push past the parent or both. Similar to the fa’s experience with obese passengers, I don’t think children are separated by several rows from their parents very often.

People would be bringing the child forward to be evacuated. No doubt in my mind at all.