NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, let's all vote for the guy who wants to invoke the Insurrection Act next time there's a BLM rally. What could possibly go wrong?

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If the GOP gets their way, all of those troublesome Black people will be in camps. I’m pretty sure they’re going to overturn the 13th Amendment, too. Nothing can get in the way of American business!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a free country. If black people feel Trump will do better for them then they can vote accordingly.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that a Republican in the White House would be better for black folks in several areas. One, the current USAO in DC is Matthew Graves, a Biden appointee that declines to prosecute 67 percent of all arrests here. As a result, crime is once again an epidemic in DC - every corner of it. And the vast, vast majority of victims of violent crime in DC are black people. I don't know if people here actually talk to black people, but they went action - more police, more prosecutions, even the National Guard - to deal with crime. And that will never happen as long as Biden is president.

The border is another issue. Just because everyone is a shade of brown doesn't mean blacks naturally feel an affinity for Venezuelans who don't speak a word of English and whose children are overwhelming school districts around the country. Plus the additional pressure on housing and social services. Very often the feeling in the black community is that all those millions of illegal migrants are simply cutting to the front of the line.

Biden does not engender much loyalty in the black community. It's not like Obama. It's not even like the Clintons. I would not be surprised if 25 percent of blacks vote Republican. And I suspect turnout will be low. Add that to all the young people upset about Israel and I think Biden is going to have a lot of difficulty getting to a 2nd term. He's a bad candidate for this moment in time.

And Trump is a good one?

Of course not. Almost no one in this country wants to see a redux of Trump vs Biden. However, Biden is weak with his base. He needs college educated women, minorities, and young people to win the electoral college. His support among younger voters has been slipping rapidly after events in Israel. Many black folks lack any enthusiasm for Biden. And I don't think college educated women who are upset by Roes is enough to win this election.

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It’s not just “college educated women” who are “upset” by “Roes.” It’s a plurality of the country who don’t like the fascism of the GOP; abortion is just the first place the GOP thought they were safe and where they really let themselves loose with their authoritarianism.

Black people know that it’s the GOP who continually chisels their votes away; if so many of them were going to magically vote for fascism, they’d probably stop carving up the Black vote.

We’re in the weird ebb in a world where the media does the GOP’s work for them. Once Trump starts talking and reminds people of how awful those four years were, plus how bad his dementia* has gotten since he’s been gone, people are going to flock to Biden. Project 2025 is real. Regressives over-reaching at the state level is real. Women without full citizenship is real.

The GOP offers nothing but hate, pure id.

I actually suspect this exact type of messaging, "the GOP offers nothing but hate," is a huge part of voter alienation. It's shorthand for saying, "if you have concerns about the border, the economy, crime, or education, you must be a racist." It's very dismissive and also forgets the fact that POC live in the same world as everyone else and have the same concerns.

I’m the pp you’re replying to and nice try but what does the GOP offer on those issues, other than hate?

The border: they refuse to legislate on it. They do make fun of immigrants, both legal and not, and traffick asylum seekers around the country in an attempt to punish blue cities.

The economy: other than tax cuts for the uber wealthy and cutting services for the rest of us, what do they offer?

Crime: more vilification - ironically for this thread, usually of Black people, less so of other minorities. But what do they offer? I guess more money for privatized prisons and harsher sentences for things like drugs. But no actual policies to help with crime. Oh I guess your party’s desire to make abortion illegal will create more crime in 18 years, so I guess your party offers more crime.

Education: vouchers and book bans, I guess?

The GOP offers nothing but hatred. If you actually want to talk policy instead of idiotic right wing slogans and chewy mouth talk nonsense, let’s do it. Because I don’t see the GOP offering anything for anyone but rich old angry White men. And that’s not racism, that’s reality.

I'm not going to go point by point other than to say that America wasn't set up yesterday, and we have laws on the books that work when enforced. Your belief that only white people are affected by crime, illegal immigration etc means that you're so out of touch that anything I write will go over your head.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sure, let's all vote for the guy who wants to invoke the Insurrection Act next time there's a BLM rally. What could possibly go wrong?[/quote]
+1

If the GOP gets their way, all of those troublesome Black people will be in camps. I’m pretty sure they’re going to overturn the 13th Amendment, too. Nothing can get in the way of American business![/quote]

Camps? Seriously? Omg.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sure, let's all vote for the guy who wants to invoke the Insurrection Act next time there's a BLM rally. What could possibly go wrong?[/quote]
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If the GOP gets their way, all of those troublesome Black people will be in camps. I’m pretty sure they’re going to overturn the 13th Amendment, too. Nothing can get in the way of American business![/quote]

Camps? Seriously? Omg.

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Instead of making big gummy eyes, read: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/05/trump-revenge-second-term/

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a free country. If black people feel Trump will do better for them then they can vote accordingly.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that a Republican in the White House would be better for black folks in several areas. One, the current USAO in DC is Matthew Graves, a Biden appointee that declines to prosecute 67 percent of all arrests here. As a result, crime is once again an epidemic in DC - every corner of it. And the vast, vast majority of victims of violent crime in DC are black people. I don't know if people here actually talk to black people, but they went action - more police, more prosecutions, even the National Guard - to deal with crime. And that will never happen as long as Biden is president.

The border is another issue. Just because everyone is a shade of brown doesn't mean blacks naturally feel an affinity for Venezuelans who don't speak a word of English and whose children are overwhelming school districts around the country. Plus the additional pressure on housing and social services. Very often the feeling in the black community is that all those millions of illegal migrants are simply cutting to the front of the line.

Biden does not engender much loyalty in the black community. It's not like Obama. It's not even like the Clintons. I would not be surprised if 25 percent of blacks vote Republican. And I suspect turnout will be low. Add that to all the young people upset about Israel and I think Biden is going to have a lot of difficulty getting to a 2nd term. He's a bad candidate for this moment in time.

And Trump is a good one?

Of course not. Almost no one in this country wants to see a redux of Trump vs Biden. However, Biden is weak with his base. He needs college educated women, minorities, and young people to win the electoral college. His support among younger voters has been slipping rapidly after events in Israel. Many black folks lack any enthusiasm for Biden. And I don't think college educated women who are upset by Roes is enough to win this election.

[…]

It’s not just “college educated women” who are “upset” by “Roes.” It’s a plurality of the country who don’t like the fascism of the GOP; abortion is just the first place the GOP thought they were safe and where they really let themselves loose with their authoritarianism.

Black people know that it’s the GOP who continually chisels their votes away; if so many of them were going to magically vote for fascism, they’d probably stop carving up the Black vote.

We’re in the weird ebb in a world where the media does the GOP’s work for them. Once Trump starts talking and reminds people of how awful those four years were, plus how bad his dementia* has gotten since he’s been gone, people are going to flock to Biden. Project 2025 is real. Regressives over-reaching at the state level is real. Women without full citizenship is real.

The GOP offers nothing but hate, pure id.

I actually suspect this exact type of messaging, "the GOP offers nothing but hate," is a huge part of voter alienation. It's shorthand for saying, "if you have concerns about the border, the economy, crime, or education, you must be a racist." It's very dismissive and also forgets the fact that POC live in the same world as everyone else and have the same concerns.

I’m the pp you’re replying to and nice try but what does the GOP offer on those issues, other than hate?

The border: they refuse to legislate on it. They do make fun of immigrants, both legal and not, and traffick asylum seekers around the country in an attempt to punish blue cities.

The economy: other than tax cuts for the uber wealthy and cutting services for the rest of us, what do they offer?

Crime: more vilification - ironically for this thread, usually of Black people, less so of other minorities. But what do they offer? I guess more money for privatized prisons and harsher sentences for things like drugs. But no actual policies to help with crime. Oh I guess your party’s desire to make abortion illegal will create more crime in 18 years, so I guess your party offers more crime.

Education: vouchers and book bans, I guess?

The GOP offers nothing but hatred. If you actually want to talk policy instead of idiotic right wing slogans and chewy mouth talk nonsense, let’s do it. Because I don’t see the GOP offering anything for anyone but rich old angry White men. And that’s not racism, that’s reality.

I'm not going to go point by point other than to say that America wasn't set up yesterday, and we have laws on the books that work when enforced. Your belief that only white people are affected by crime, illegal immigration etc means that you're so out of touch that anything I write will go over your head.

If you want to talk with the grown ups, you actually have to respond to what we write instead of gish galloping.

[Anonymous]

OP, maybe you’re right that African-Americans will abandon the man who served as Barack Obama’s loyal vice-president for 8 years, and embrace the man who tried to prove that Barack Obama’s birth certificate was fake. I don’t think so, but who knows?

We should flag this thread and revisit it on Election Day next year.

[Anonymous]

It is beyond my comprehension why any minority would vote for Trump or any Republican. The party is racist, and sexist .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is beyond my comprehension why any minority would vote for Trump or any Republican. The party is racist, and sexist .

Careful. The racist and sexist people who support the GOP - but don’t like to labeled as such, no matter what their words and actions say - will be crying and tearing their shirt over you making this bland statement of fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, let's all vote for the guy who wants to invoke the Insurrection Act next time there's a BLM rally. What could possibly go wrong?

No one believes this bs anymore.

Why not when Trump is out campaigning saying he’s going to do it? Are you calling Trump a liar?
https://apnews.com/article/trump-military-insurrection-act-2024-election-03858b6291e4721991b5a18c2dfb3c36

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Anonymous wrote:Thread title should be “Profound increase in poll respondents who say they’re Black and will support Trump.”

You mean like when Biden told Charlemagne tha God that if you don't vote for him, he does not consider you authentically black? That was certainly bold politics.

No, not like that at all. Are you OK?

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Anonymous wrote:I just do not understand how so many people say they support T. It is mind boggling.

People don't all think the same. You probably think he was a Russian agent who hates Black people and tried to overthrow the government. And you probably think his tweets are mean. Imagine of you believed none of the second sentence in this paragraph and also thought he was funny, not mean, and you will start to understand Trump voters.

He was a Russian asset, not an agent, he does hate Black people and did try to overthrow the government. Not only was he mean, he was and is a stochastic terrorist. So you see why people are genuinely confused about why anyone supports that horrible man who has no plans for anything (other than fascism).

Yeah Trump hates black peole so much that he:

* gave huge amounts of money to HBCUs

* record low black unemployment

* pardoned many blacks people who were locked up in jail

Keep drinking the dem kool aid. What have the Dems done for the black community? Increase crime in their neighborhoods?

[Anonymous]

Democrats aren’t owed the black vote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just do not understand how so many people say they support T. It is mind boggling.

People don't all think the same. You probably think he was a Russian agent who hates Black people and tried to overthrow the government. And you probably think his tweets are mean. Imagine of you believed none of the second sentence in this paragraph and also thought he was funny, not mean, and you will start to understand Trump voters.

He was a Russian asset, not an agent, he does hate Black people and did try to overthrow the government. Not only was he mean, he was and is a stochastic terrorist. So you see why people are genuinely confused about why anyone supports that horrible man who has no plans for anything (other than fascism).

Yeah Trump hates black peole so much that he:

* gave huge amounts of money to HBCUs The bipartisan FUTURE Act? Trump didn’t do that, Congress did that. A blue congress did that. Meanwhile Biden’s Dept of Education opened up $100 million in grants for “HBCUs, TTCUs, MSIs and Underserved students.” https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-opens-nearly-100m-grant-opportunities-hbcus-tccus-and-msis-and-underserved-students

* record low black unemployment Biden’s is lower. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/icymi-black-unemployment-rate-hits-record-low

* pardoned many blacks people who were locked up in jail No, he pardoned famous Black people and Black people who happened to commit the same crimes as Trump and the Trumpenvolk did. He also pardoned Charles Kushner, Elliott Broidy, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort and Steve Manafort. In other words, most of his co-conspirators. https://www.nytimes.com/article/who-did-trump-pardon.html

Keep drinking the dem kool aid. What have the Dems done for the black community? Increase crime in their neighborhoods?

What have the Democrats done for Black people?
Supported voting rights across the board vs the GOP’s attempts to stop Black people from voting at all.
Supported gun rights vs the GOP’s wanting to put an AR-15 in the hands of every kindergartner
Black people are represented in the Democratic Party and they keep climbing the ranks. How did Tim Scott’s presidential run go?

https://progressivepolicyinstitute.medium.com/what-have-democrats-done-for-black-voters-quite-a-lot-actually-1ec5b7cf7c16

The PP I’m replying to isn’t going to reply to the meat of my post, but if anyone is interested in just how racist Trump is, here’s a list. https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history Meanwhile Tommy Tuberville, the man who is trying to damage our military so that they’re vulnerable to attack abroad (and can be easily filled with GOP extremists in 2025 if Trump wins, all the better to make the Insurrection Act run like the GOP is hoping it will) is a massive white supremacist. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4098746-republican-problems-on-race-add-up/

Basically anyone telling us the GOP isn’t racist is peeing on our legs and remarking on the rain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is beyond my comprehension why any minority would vote for Trump or any Republican. The party is racist, and sexist .

So I want to put this gently but … black men can be racist and sexist! Wrt immigration, actual black people are not as kumbaya as UMC white liberals. Probably has to do with the fact that undocumented workers impact lower income citizen workers the most. And black men can certainly have conservative views on gender. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just do not understand how so many people say they support T. It is mind boggling.

People don't all think the same. You probably think he was a Russian agent who hates Black people and tried to overthrow the government. And you probably think his tweets are mean. Imagine of you believed none of the second sentence in this paragraph and also thought he was funny, not mean, and you will start to understand Trump voters.

He was a Russian asset, not an agent, he does hate Black people and did try to overthrow the government. Not only was he mean, he was and is a stochastic terrorist. So you see why people are genuinely confused about why anyone supports that horrible man who has no plans for anything (other than fascism).

Yeah Trump hates black peole so much that he:

* gave huge amounts of money to HBCUs The bipartisan FUTURE Act? Trump didn’t do that, Congress did that. A blue congress did that. Meanwhile Biden’s Dept of Education opened up $100 million in grants for “HBCUs, TTCUs, MSIs and Underserved students.” https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-opens-nearly-100m-grant-opportunities-hbcus-tccus-and-msis-and-underserved-students

* record low black unemployment Biden’s is lower. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/icymi-black-unemployment-rate-hits-record-low

* pardoned many blacks people who were locked up in jail No, he pardoned famous Black people and Black people who happened to commit the same crimes as Trump and the Trumpenvolk did. He also pardoned Charles Kushner, Elliott Broidy, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort and Steve Manafort. In other words, most of his co-conspirators. https://www.nytimes.com/article/who-did-trump-pardon.html

Keep drinking the dem kool aid. What have the Dems done for the black community? Increase crime in their neighborhoods?

What have the Democrats done for Black people?
Supported voting rights across the board vs the GOP’s attempts to stop Black people from voting at all.
Supported gun rights vs the GOP’s wanting to put an AR-15 in the hands of every kindergartner
Black people are represented in the Democratic Party and they keep climbing the ranks. How did Tim Scott’s presidential run go?

https://progressivepolicyinstitute.medium.com/what-have-democrats-done-for-black-voters-quite-a-lot-actually-1ec5b7cf7c16

The PP I’m replying to isn’t going to reply to the meat of my post, but if anyone is interested in just how racist Trump is, here’s a list. https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history Meanwhile Tommy Tuberville, the man who is trying to damage our military so that they’re vulnerable to attack abroad (and can be easily filled with GOP extremists in 2025 if Trump wins, all the better to make the Insurrection Act run like the GOP is hoping it will) is a massive white supremacist. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4098746-republican-problems-on-race-add-up/

Basically anyone telling us the GOP isn’t racist is peeing on our legs and remarking on the rain.

Yeah well, you are not the one who gets to decide how black people think…