Why no backups in middle school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
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the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

Not OP. Yes, this has happened several times to mine, including Five Star brand, Case It Brand, and one other brand I got on Amazon. And yes, I go through my child's binder weekly. We are in process of seeking a change to the 504 plan to allow child to carry backpack.

I have a DC with a 504 and executive function challenges, and I think no backpack would help (my) DC immensely all the way through HS. No place for anything to lurk out of sight and therefore out of mind. No chance to carry unnecessary or unrelated stuff. No way to hide things that don't belong.

[Anonymous]

Wow, Algebra in 6th grade AND backpacks? W cluster privilege is boundless!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
...
the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

Not OP. Yes, this has happened several times to mine, including Five Star brand, Case It Brand, and one other brand I got on Amazon. And yes, I go through my child's binder weekly. We are in process of seeking a change to the 504 plan to allow child to carry backpack.

I have a DC with a 504 and executive function challenges, and I think no backpack would help (my) DC immensely all the way through HS. No place for anything to lurk out of sight and therefore out of mind. No chance to carry unnecessary or unrelated stuff. No way to hide things that don't belong.

Also no way to carry stuff that does belong, which seems more important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
...
the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

Not OP. Yes, this has happened several times to mine, including Five Star brand, Case It Brand, and one other brand I got on Amazon. And yes, I go through my child's binder weekly. We are in process of seeking a change to the 504 plan to allow child to carry backpack.

Yeah… ummm… 504s were created for kids with actual problems, not binders. Just… wow. No wonder teachers, counselors, admin, etc are absolutely fleeing from education. The learned helplessness is obvious that it starts at home. It’s depressing.

Really? You think the people bringing backpacks so they can learn are what’s driving away staff, and not the people bringing guns and drugs that made the school afraid of backpacks?

In civilized parts of the country and county, backpacks are no problem at all, because parents teach their children how to behave like civilized people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rule isn't going to change because it's not burdensome to 99% of students. Most of us are much more worried about weapons in our schools than kids who can't manage to not break a binder.

OP, you have many suggestions on this thread about how your child can become part of the 99% that do not experience "exploding binders". This is a YOU problem.

Actually, rules that restrict need justification. Simply having a policy without a justification is unreasonable by definition.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people justifying this rule on the thread sound like idiots because they can’t spell out what changes between MS and HS. NP btw

Agree. They just want it "because." That isn't a justification and is just a form of agression.


No one has to spell out anything for you. In many middle schools, backpacks are a problem. They cram 40 kids into small classes (no room) and it helps to prevent kids from bringing in additional crap to class. Doesn’t have to be a clear difference between ms and hs for this policy to make sense. Breaking news: Different schools have different needs. Grow up.

They actually do need to spell it out. If they don't have a justification for the rule, then the rule serves no stated purpose except to restrict. By definition, that is unreasonable.

Anonymous wrote:

DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
...
the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

You go right to accusation of lying. It's obvious then why you don't think they need a justification for rules. You just think incorrectly. Policy serves a purpose. In public, that purpose needs a justification. Nobody is lying that the binders explode. They are made to be carried in a backpack and be smaller. Ideally, DS would benefit best from having even up to 6 SMALLER binders--one per class that actually uses binders. That allows appropriate separation of classes and a binder that doesn't get opened and closed all the time, since they break very quickly when opened and closed frequently for 4-6 classes throughout the day. However, the restrictive no-backpack policy precludes having 4-6 binders because the child cannot carry them independent from some kind of carrying case. We could easily just solve this problem with backpacks, and the school provides no justification for the policy.

lol nope to everything you said. You’re just wrong and it’s amusing to watch you work yourself into a frenzy over a non-issue.

If I were wrong, why are people agreeing with me? You've still provided no justification for why backopacks need to be banned. We start with allow and restrict when needed; not the other way around.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
...
the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

Not OP. Yes, this has happened several times to mine, including Five Star brand, Case It Brand, and one other brand I got on Amazon. And yes, I go through my child's binder weekly. We are in process of seeking a change to the 504 plan to allow child to carry backpack.

Yeah… ummm… 504s were created for kids with actual problems, not binders. Just… wow. No wonder teachers, counselors, admin, etc are absolutely fleeing from education. The learned helplessness is obvious that it starts at home. It’s depressing.

Really? You think the people bringing backpacks so they can learn are what’s driving away staff, and not the people bringing guns and drugs that made the school afraid of backpacks?

In civilized parts of the country and county, backpacks are no problem at all, because parents teach their children how to behave like civilized people.

Exactly!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The rule isn't going to change because it's not burdensome to 99% of students. Most of us are much more worried about weapons in our schools than kids who can't manage to not break a binder.

OP, you have many suggestions on this thread about how your child can become part of the 99% that do not experience "exploding binders". This is a YOU problem.

Or, allow clear bags.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
...
the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

Not OP. Yes, this has happened several times to mine, including Five Star brand, Case It Brand, and one other brand I got on Amazon. And yes, I go through my child's binder weekly. We are in process of seeking a change to the 504 plan to allow child to carry backpack.

I have a DC with a 504 and executive function challenges, and I think no backpack would help (my) DC immensely all the way through HS. No place for anything to lurk out of sight and therefore out of mind. No chance to carry unnecessary or unrelated stuff. No way to hide things that don't belong.

Also no way to carry stuff that does belong, which seems more important.

I've heard those schools are less focused on equity so high-performers are less neglected.