Why no backups in middle school

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Anonymous wrote:Then the binder has to be cleaned out daily: that's all there is to it. Get a duplicate filing system going at home and move things from the school binder to the home one every afternoon. End of story.

Also a water bottle carrier with a shoulder strap if the water is on the 504. Or two birds with one stone: DC gets a water break (fountain) at the start of (say) every other class period and stops at the locker on the way to or from.

The rules are inconvenient if your system bumps up against them, I know, but given that the rules aren't changing either DC needs a backpack accommodation or your system needs to change.

We are trying our best. He already has unlimited bathroom breaks in his 504, but it actually negatively affects his learning time. He has accommodations for head coverings as well. This many accommodations eventually causes a ton of negative attention from other students. The main problem is that there is no basis for banning backpacks; this rule causes undue harm to students for no benefit.

100% there is a basis for not having backpacks in a school. It is primarily a safety concern. It will not change. Since your child has a 504 it sounds like it’s time for a meeting with the school counselor to brainstorm/develop a plan for his materials and also to help figure out his other accommodations so much that it does not negatively affect him.

That’s idiocy. If they band backpacks in middle school, but the high school that all the kids go to does not stand backpacks, there is absolutely no basis in security. They are morons.

I'm the PP, thank you for calling us morons. I am a teacher. I do not want backpacks from middle schoolers in my room. It is a safety concern. If you don't like it, tough.

What changes between middle and high school to make it no longer a safety concern?

Become a teacher and you will find out. Until then, be quiet and let us do our job. The rule won't change so teach your child how to maneuver this, otherwise let him figure it out. You can go find something else to complain about and make our job worse I'm sure.

If you can't articulate what changes between middle and high school to remove the security concern, then either the concern isn't removed or the concern never existed. It's up to you to justify a policy that restricts students. If no justification can be articulated, eventually, this kind of thing will get overturned.

No, it isn’t and no, it won’t. You’ll just have to find a way to cope.

DP, parent

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It’s called teach them to clean it out. Jesus Christ, learn to raise your kids.

You're a fine one to talk

I’m not the one whining on a message board about “exploding” binders. Parents take zero responsibility for actually teaching their kids the tiniest of life skills and instead blame everyone else. Time to take some accountability and responsibility.

Actually, I'm taking issue with your use of profanity and aggressiveness.

Oh well. That’s sad for you. Shrug.

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The people justifying this rule on the thread sound like idiots because they can’t spell out what changes between MS and HS. NP btw

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It’s called teach them to clean it out. Jesus Christ, learn to raise your kids.

You're a fine one to talk

I’m not the one whining on a message board about “exploding” binders. Parents take zero responsibility for actually teaching their kids the tiniest of life skills and instead blame everyone else. Time to take some accountability and responsibility.

Actually, I'm taking issue with your use of profanity and aggressiveness.

Zero profanity. Zero aggression. Absolute frustration with people who don't know how to parent.

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The rule isn't going to change because it's not burdensome to 99% of students. Most of us are much more worried about weapons in our schools than kids who can't manage to not break a binder.

OP, you have many suggestions on this thread about how your child can become part of the 99% that do not experience "exploding binders". This is a YOU problem.

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DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
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the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

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Both my kids (6th, 8th) have to follow this rule.
Their Chromebook goes in the relevant case in their CaseIt.

They do have spiral notebooks for math, humanities, language within the binder. They swap the notebooks at lunchtime from their locker. This is because of weight though, not exploding binders.

They clean our excess papers every Friday..they each have a hole punched folder and papers go in there for punching at home (though 95% of the time the teachers give hole punched papers).

Their water bottles have a strap for carrying on their shoulder

It's not a big deal. One of my kids has stopped taking a backpack altogether. She just has her case it, lunch box with strap, and water bottle.

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Anonymous wrote:The people justifying this rule on the thread sound like idiots because they can’t spell out what changes between MS and HS. NP btw

No one has to spell out anything for you. In many middle schools, backpacks are a problem. They cram 40 kids into small classes (no room) and it helps to prevent kids from bringing in additional crap to class. Doesn’t have to be a clear difference between ms and hs for this policy to make sense. Breaking news: Different schools have different needs. Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:The rule isn't going to change because it's not burdensome to 99% of students. Most of us are much more worried about weapons in our schools than kids who can't manage to not break a binder.

OP, you have many suggestions on this thread about how your child can become part of the 99% that do not experience "exploding binders". This is a YOU problem.

Actually, rules that restrict need justification. Simply having a policy without a justification is unreasonable by definition.

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Anonymous wrote:The people justifying this rule on the thread sound like idiots because they can’t spell out what changes between MS and HS. NP btw

Agree. They just want it "because." That isn't a justification and is just a form of agression.


No one has to spell out anything for you. In many middle schools, backpacks are a problem. They cram 40 kids into small classes (no room) and it helps to prevent kids from bringing in additional crap to class. Doesn’t have to be a clear difference between ms and hs for this policy to make sense. Breaking news: Different schools have different needs. Grow up.

They actually do need to spell it out. If they don't have a justification for the rule, then the rule serves no stated purpose except to restrict. By definition, that is unreasonable.

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DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
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the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

You go right to accusation of lying. It's obvious then why you don't think they need a justification for rules. You just think incorrectly. Policy serves a purpose. In public, that purpose needs a justification. Nobody is lying that the binders explode. They are made to be carried in a backpack and be smaller. Ideally, DS would benefit best from having even up to 6 SMALLER binders--one per class that actually uses binders. That allows appropriate separation of classes and a binder that doesn't get opened and closed all the time, since they break very quickly when opened and closed frequently for 4-6 classes throughout the day. However, the restrictive no-backpack policy precludes having 4-6 binders because the child cannot carry them independent from some kind of carrying case. We could easily just solve this problem with backpacks, and the school provides no justification for the policy.

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OP, no one is with you on this. Your options are:

1. Move. I strongly encourage this as we don't need unreasonable people like you clogging up the system with unnecessary requests/demands when our schools have enough problems.
2. Transfer your child to private school. I know it's expensive but think how much you'll save on binders!
3. Teach your kid how to take better care of his stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:The rule isn't going to change because it's not burdensome to 99% of students. Most of us are much more worried about weapons in our schools than kids who can't manage to not break a binder.

OP, you have many suggestions on this thread about how your child can become part of the 99% that do not experience "exploding binders". This is a YOU problem.

You're worried about weapons in MS but not HS?

[Anonymous]

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DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
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the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

Not OP. Yes, this has happened several times to mine, including Five Star brand, Case It Brand, and one other brand I got on Amazon. And yes, I go through my child's binder weekly. We are in process of seeking a change to the 504 plan to allow child to carry backpack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The rule isn't going to change because it's not burdensome to 99% of students. Most of us are much more worried about weapons in our schools than kids who can't manage to not break a binder.

OP, you have many suggestions on this thread about how your child can become part of the 99% that do not experience "exploding binders". This is a YOU problem.

Actually, rules that restrict need justification. Simply having a policy without a justification is unreasonable by definition.

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Anonymous wrote:The people justifying this rule on the thread sound like idiots because they can’t spell out what changes between MS and HS. NP btw

Agree. They just want it "because." That isn't a justification and is just a form of agression.


No one has to spell out anything for you. In many middle schools, backpacks are a problem. They cram 40 kids into small classes (no room) and it helps to prevent kids from bringing in additional crap to class. Doesn’t have to be a clear difference between ms and hs for this policy to make sense. Breaking news: Different schools have different needs. Grow up.

They actually do need to spell it out. If they don't have a justification for the rule, then the rule serves no stated purpose except to restrict. By definition, that is unreasonable.

Anonymous wrote:

DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
...
the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

You go right to accusation of lying. It's obvious then why you don't think they need a justification for rules. You just think incorrectly. Policy serves a purpose. In public, that purpose needs a justification. Nobody is lying that the binders explode. They are made to be carried in a backpack and be smaller. Ideally, DS would benefit best from having even up to 6 SMALLER binders--one per class that actually uses binders. That allows appropriate separation of classes and a binder that doesn't get opened and closed all the time, since they break very quickly when opened and closed frequently for 4-6 classes throughout the day. However, the restrictive no-backpack policy precludes having 4-6 binders because the child cannot carry them independent from some kind of carrying case. We could easily just solve this problem with backpacks, and the school provides no justification for the policy.

lol nope to everything you said. You’re just wrong and it’s amusing to watch you work yourself into a frenzy over a non-issue.

[Anonymous]

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DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
...
the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

Not OP. Yes, this has happened several times to mine, including Five Star brand, Case It Brand, and one other brand I got on Amazon. And yes, I go through my child's binder weekly. We are in process of seeking a change to the 504 plan to allow child to carry backpack.

Give me a break. You’re the problem.

[Anonymous]

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DS is in 6th grade and has constant problems
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the binder has a tendancy to explode. We've gone through many different brands, and they all do this.

Your child has been in school for less than 3 months and had many different binders "explode"? Your story doesn't add up. I get it: you don't like the policy. But lying isn't going to get anyone here to agree with you.

Not OP. Yes, this has happened several times to mine, including Five Star brand, Case It Brand, and one other brand I got on Amazon. And yes, I go through my child's binder weekly. We are in process of seeking a change to the 504 plan to allow child to carry backpack.

Yeah… ummm… 504s were created for kids with actual problems, not binders. Just… wow. No wonder teachers, counselors, admin, etc are absolutely fleeing from education. The learned helplessness is obvious that it starts at home. It’s depressing.